There are, iirc, 20 women and 40 children in refugee camps controlled by the Kurdish. They are not badly treated it appears but it's probably not too comfortable either, no Foxtel maybe?
Now you remember the Islamic State; they threw gays off high buildings, burnt people in cages, subjugated Yazidi women, raped them and sold them as sex slaves, killed their men, beheaded people they didn't like you get the picture.
These Australian women decided to join the men who were doing this, I guess they thought it was a good idea at the time but not so much now that their side lost and things are on a bit of a downer.
Listening to some of the bleeding hearts speak of how these "poor" women were tricked into going makes me wonder how naive they think were are. They knew full well what they were doing and they supported some of the most terrible torture and abuse since Pol Pot.
But they have children! Too bloody bad! It is not the responsibility of the state to compensate for the bad decisions of every parent.
And if one of these twisted women or their offspring decides, once back in Australia, to kill a few people for Allah will it still seem a compassionate decision.
Let them rot, say I.
Gundog said
04:31 PM Oct 4, 2022
100% agree
DMaxer said
04:57 PM Oct 4, 2022
Perhaps you might be able to advise the Government how an Australian citizen can be refused re entry to Australia Mike. It seems that the law here is the same as in every other democratic country, in that you cannot deny re entry.
If someone is convicted and sentenced to a term exceeding three years for terrorism related offences it is possible for the Australian government to revoke citizenship in some circumstances, but it seems that these people do not fall into that classification.
People can't be rendered stateless just because they do foolish things. I would imagine that if they do return home to Oz they will be monitored.
If they are citizens and the Government denies them re entry then I would expect the High Court to overturn the decision and not only would they return, we would all be giving them a sizeable amount in damages for the wrongful decision.
We are controlled by law Mike, not mob rule.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Tuesday 4th of October 2022 05:01:21 PM
Mike Harding said
05:05 PM Oct 4, 2022
Dmaxer: I don't recall you raising such concerns during covid - you remember that? When Australians were locked out of their country.
The plan is to repatriate them: do we repatriate every dickhead who stuffs up overseas? You bet we don't so why should we repatriate these twisted women?
If they want to return to Australia then let them make their own way.
Edit:
After all... they made their own way to Syria....
-- Edited by Mike Harding on Tuesday 4th of October 2022 05:47:06 PM
Cuppa said
05:51 PM Oct 4, 2022
DMaxer wrote:
I would imagine that if they do return home to Oz they will be monitored.
I read that the women have agreed to being monitored once back home in Australia.
'Twisted women' is a judgement call based on what exactly? In our more enlightened age only the curmudgeons from an increasingly left behind world of women haters continue to blame the victims of male abuse. Thankfully the days of the law agreeing that 'she was asking for it' are becoming history. I mention those things because I read 'Let them rot' & see a similarity to the logic & predjudice which allows someone to 'victim blame' without actually knowing the personal circumstances. The display of anger & prejudice appears alarmingly similar .
We (on this forum) don't know anything about why those women made the decisions to do what they did. Maybe they went willingly for the cause, but maybe it was the only way they could save the lives of their children. We don't know what motivated them. Perhaps they do indeed have regrets. We cannot from our position of privilege & safety begin to understand what horrors these women & children have been subjected to. Maybe, just maybe they are all bad, foolish, dangerous individuals but they are women & children who deserve a chance if it can be safely provided to them (which it appears our government is taking steps to ensure - rather than blindly acting). Maybe for the children growing up in an accepting & supportive environment we also lessen the chance of them becoming jihadists.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Tuesday 4th of October 2022 05:52:14 PM
-- Edited by Cuppa on Tuesday 4th of October 2022 05:53:46 PM
-- Edited by Cuppa on Tuesday 4th of October 2022 06:09:08 PM
MillyMo said
06:16 PM Oct 4, 2022
Well said Cuppa, i couldnt agree more. I am new to this forum and am shocked to read the views of the original poster!
BAZZA44 said
06:46 PM Oct 4, 2022
I am with Mike on this. We do not know how brainwashed they are, monitors have not worked at all very well in the past. It was their choice to go over there with those monsters. Leave them there.
Barry
Mike Harding said
07:11 PM Oct 4, 2022
Cuppa wrote:
'Twisted women' is a judgement call based on what exactly?
Errrmmm... let me think.... Oh! I know! Support of the Islamic State regime!
Or maybe you think that's a normal and desireable position for a person to take?
Ivan 01 said
08:05 PM Oct 4, 2022
BAZZA44 wrote:
I am with Mike on this. We do not know how brainwashed they are, monitors have not worked at all very well in the past. It was their choice to go over there with those monsters. Leave them there.
Barry
My views as well.
I wonder how those who are agreeing with these wayward women would react if the first act of terrorism that was inflicted by these women and children was carried out against their own families and themselves.
Tracking in this country is a joke. Our authorities cant even track 12 year olds at the present time.
All these do gooders that support this type of action are the same people that are dragging our country to its lowest ebb, socially and politically.
Bring out the verbal baseball bats and prove yourselves.
Cuppa said
08:05 PM Oct 4, 2022
Mike Harding wrote:
Cuppa wrote:
'Twisted women' is a judgement call based on what exactly?
Errrmmm... let me think.... Oh! I know! Support of the Islamic State regime!
Or maybe you think that's a normal and desireable position for a person to take?
Assumptions you cannot support without knowing each woman's personal circumstances. Therefore just repeating the same prejudice.
Your attack is noted & I see no purpose arguing with you over this.
I prefer to give folk the benefit of the doubt. In this instance based on your original post, the language you chose, your obvious prejudice, & your unnecessary sarcasm, the style points strongly to attempted provocation. I don't believe this is new territory for you.
In short I think you are a troll & have interest only in argument, not in debate.
More than that, my observation over time suggests that whilst 'argument' is your style, you also appear to enjoy setting up 'blues' between others before sitting back to watch the sparks fly.
I will call out what I view as distasteful & ignorant posts, particularly those which appear to be at the expense of others.
If you genuinely want to engage in debate rather than argument then I'm your man.
I shall await a respectful 'invitation' in a future thread, but for now I'm out of this one.
Cuppa said
08:15 PM Oct 4, 2022
Ivan 01 wrote:
Bring out the verbal baseball bats and prove yourselves.
If these women were to arrive here, one of the conditions need to be that they do not wear any
for of towel on their heads. We need to be able to look at them properly.
If Scomo was he around surely he would lock them up at Christmas Island.
As a side issue but similar, riding a motorcycle I am obliged to remove my full face helmet
when buying fuel, yey a towel head is allowed to walk in without having to uncover their
face.
The Australian government has decided to repatriate the women and children who supported Islamic State in Syria.
The Age
There are, iirc, 20 women and 40 children in refugee camps controlled by the Kurdish. They are not badly treated it appears but it's probably not too comfortable either, no Foxtel maybe?
Now you remember the Islamic State; they threw gays off high buildings, burnt people in cages, subjugated Yazidi women, raped them and sold them as sex slaves, killed their men, beheaded people they didn't like you get the picture.
These Australian women decided to join the men who were doing this, I guess they thought it was a good idea at the time but not so much now that their side lost and things are on a bit of a downer.
Listening to some of the bleeding hearts speak of how these "poor" women were tricked into going makes me wonder how naive they think were are. They knew full well what they were doing and they supported some of the most terrible torture and abuse since Pol Pot.
But they have children! Too bloody bad! It is not the responsibility of the state to compensate for the bad decisions of every parent.
And if one of these twisted women or their offspring decides, once back in Australia, to kill a few people for Allah will it still seem a compassionate decision.
Let them rot, say I.
Perhaps you might be able to advise the Government how an Australian citizen can be refused re entry to Australia Mike. It seems that the law here is the same as in every other democratic country, in that you cannot deny re entry.
If someone is convicted and sentenced to a term exceeding three years for terrorism related offences it is possible for the Australian government to revoke citizenship in some circumstances, but it seems that these people do not fall into that classification.
People can't be rendered stateless just because they do foolish things. I would imagine that if they do return home to Oz they will be monitored.
If they are citizens and the Government denies them re entry then I would expect the High Court to overturn the decision and not only would they return, we would all be giving them a sizeable amount in damages for the wrongful decision.
We are controlled by law Mike, not mob rule.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Tuesday 4th of October 2022 05:01:21 PM
Dmaxer: I don't recall you raising such concerns during covid - you remember that? When Australians were locked out of their country.
The plan is to repatriate them: do we repatriate every dickhead who stuffs up overseas? You bet we don't so why should we repatriate these twisted women?
If they want to return to Australia then let them make their own way.
Edit:
After all... they made their own way to Syria....
-- Edited by Mike Harding on Tuesday 4th of October 2022 05:47:06 PM
I read that the women have agreed to being monitored once back home in Australia.
'Twisted women' is a judgement call based on what exactly? In our more enlightened age only the curmudgeons from an increasingly left behind world of women haters continue to blame the victims of male abuse. Thankfully the days of the law agreeing that 'she was asking for it' are becoming history. I mention those things because I read 'Let them rot' & see a similarity to the logic & predjudice which allows someone to 'victim blame' without actually knowing the personal circumstances. The display of anger & prejudice appears alarmingly similar .
We (on this forum) don't know anything about why those women made the decisions to do what they did. Maybe they went willingly for the cause, but maybe it was the only way they could save the lives of their children. We don't know what motivated them. Perhaps they do indeed have regrets. We cannot from our position of privilege & safety begin to understand what horrors these women & children have been subjected to. Maybe, just maybe they are all bad, foolish, dangerous individuals but they are women & children who deserve a chance if it can be safely provided to them (which it appears our government is taking steps to ensure - rather than blindly acting). Maybe for the children growing up in an accepting & supportive environment we also lessen the chance of them becoming jihadists.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Tuesday 4th of October 2022 05:52:14 PM
-- Edited by Cuppa on Tuesday 4th of October 2022 05:53:46 PM
-- Edited by Cuppa on Tuesday 4th of October 2022 06:09:08 PM
Barry
Errrmmm... let me think.... Oh! I know! Support of the Islamic State regime!
Or maybe you think that's a normal and desireable position for a person to take?
My views as well.
I wonder how those who are agreeing with these wayward women would react if the first act of terrorism that was inflicted by these women and children was carried out against their own families and themselves.
Tracking in this country is a joke. Our authorities cant even track 12 year olds at the present time.
All these do gooders that support this type of action are the same people that are dragging our country to its lowest ebb, socially and politically.
Bring out the verbal baseball bats and prove yourselves.
Assumptions you cannot support without knowing each woman's personal circumstances. Therefore just repeating the same prejudice.
Your attack is noted & I see no purpose arguing with you over this.
I prefer to give folk the benefit of the doubt. In this instance based on your original post, the language you chose, your obvious prejudice, & your unnecessary sarcasm, the style points strongly to attempted provocation. I don't believe this is new territory for you.
In short I think you are a troll & have interest only in argument, not in debate.
More than that, my observation over time suggests that whilst 'argument' is your style, you also appear to enjoy setting up 'blues' between others before sitting back to watch the sparks fly.
I will call out what I view as distasteful & ignorant posts, particularly those which appear to be at the expense of others.
If you genuinely want to engage in debate rather than argument then I'm your man.
I shall await a respectful 'invitation' in a future thread, but for now I'm out of this one.
That absence was short lived.
for of towel on their heads. We need to be able to look at them properly.
If Scomo was he around surely he would lock them up at Christmas Island.
As a side issue but similar, riding a motorcycle I am obliged to remove my full face helmet
when buying fuel, yey a towel head is allowed to walk in without having to uncover their
face.