I always become concerned when politicians become involved in technological developments.
Just look at what our polies did to the NBN.
Also I am highly suspicious of the Euro centric mob.
Anything not Euro based is inevitably targeted for trading and legal restrictions.
Has been so since the establishment of the EEC/EC.
BTW .. I have simple cheap adaptors that allow me to use the same charger on Android or Apple devices. What's the problem? Just another Euro Political attack on USA Apple IMHO.
-- Edited by Cupie on Wednesday 8th of June 2022 08:49:43 AM
Ivan 01 said
08:56 AM Jun 8, 2022
I thought the fact that some chargers are different to other is really a third world problem.
How long before we are required to replace every power point (gpo) in Australia to comply with Europe.
To my knowledge all items that require charging come with a charger or at least a cable.
If this was the biggest problem we faced each day then life would be pretty good I think
Gundog said
09:17 AM Jun 8, 2022
Part of this reasoning by the EU is curb the amount of unwanted chargers going to landfill.
Apple is the most belligerent tech company, such a ****ty attitude to sharing how easy would it make if they were to make facetime available to other platforms.
Ivan 01 said
09:28 AM Jun 8, 2022
I would have thought that all chargers that I have seen are made of plastic and it is plastic that is a problem in landfill.
It would not matter that all manufacturers adopted Apples charger or vica verca, each item still gets a charger so no real difference in my opinion.
I would be more concerned of the packaging that the phone comes in.
I did note after receiving a new iPad 18 months ago and an Apple Watch just recently that there is very little plastic in their packaging.
Mind you though, I think that several trees may have lost their lives so that I had the enjoyment of unpacking the products.
The Belmont Bear said
10:18 AM Jun 8, 2022
No wonder the British got sick of the EUs constant bureaucratic meddling. I doubt that the Americans will follow suit as it would penalise one of their icon companies in favour of foreign tech manufacturers .. Maybe Apple will just sell a European model and charge them more in order to cover the increased manufacturing cost.. Sounds like a good way to make Apple products less attractive in Europe without putting on tariffs..
BB
Derek Barnes said
04:13 PM Jun 8, 2022
I use different charger connectors for apple iphones and Kindle e-books, so I simply use a multi ended adapter. If I was to move to only one connector I would choose the apple lightning connector which can be inserted in either way up, rather than any type of usb a or b or c or micro connector.
Ivan 01 said
05:48 PM Jun 8, 2022
Derek Barnes wrote:
I use different charger connectors for apple iphones and Kindle e-books, so I simply use a multi ended adapter. If I was to move to only one connector I would choose the apple lightning connector which can be inserted in either way up, rather than any type of usb a or b or c or micro connector.
Good point. :tick:
Whenarewethere said
07:27 PM Jun 8, 2022
Not only phones etc, I have torches, laser measuring devices, satnav, cameras, all bloody different!
Are We Lost said
09:59 PM Jun 8, 2022
Derek Barnes wrote:........... If I was to move to only one connector I would choose the apple lightning connector which can be inserted in either way up, rather than any type of usb a or b or c or micro connector.
That is one of the benefits of USB C. It fits either way. It also supports higher current than the other USB types. The Apple solution is proprietary so not as flexible as USB C, and no doubt they would want their pound of flesh to licence its use, and want to own any future enhancements.
I think it's a great idea to standardise, and soon you would not need a charger to be included. I would like to see it expanded to all low power devices, like modems, smart home hubs, cameras and many more.
As Whenarewethere noted, we need quite a collection of old chargers that have differing connectors.
Next we should be focusing on user replaceable batteries in phones, and then standardisation as well. How good would it be if power tools had interchangeable batteries?
Mike Harding said
08:15 AM Jun 9, 2022
I think some of you have short memories :)
Do you not remember the early days of mobile phones and similar portable devices? Every last damn one of them would have a different charger of different voltage with a different plug! And often the manufacturer would "improve" things by changing the charger/plug between models - I still have my Nokia phone which has a tiny circular plug. And big trouble if you plugged phone A into charger B - the rapid destruction of phone A may result.
iirc it was the EU who mandated USB mini (micro?) as a uniform connector and a damn good move it was too, chargers were then able to become an optional extra when purchasing equipment, my Kindle was not supplied with a charger back in around 2011, it makes the product cheaper and the waste of unnecessary electronic junk is reduced.
I haven't looked in detail at USB C but it seems a decent protocol, reversible connector, some insane data speed and 3A (15W) supply capacity.
As for Apple...? Apple will never be happy until the entire planet is compelled to use only Apple products. If they want to sell in Europe they'll have to toe the line just like the rest of who wish to export there.
dorian said
08:36 AM Jun 9, 2022
Cupie wrote:
I always become concerned when politicians become involved in technological developments.
Reconfiguring the shape and pinout of a connector can hardly be called a "technological development". In fact I have seen hundreds of cases where damage has resulted from the predatory practice of simply switching the pinout of a power cable while maintaining the same connector.
Let's hope that the EU becomes the bulwark against the ruthless, rapacious kind of capitalism that is prevalent in the USA. The fact that a few American states have only just recently introduced right to repair legislation should tell us all that we need to know about corporate greed.
The newest "innovative" technological development is modular power supplies in desktop computers. If you're one of the many people who like to assemble or repair their own computers, you now need to be aware that modular PSUs are supplied with cables that no longer follow any standardised pinout. In fact, if you swap these cables between your old and new PSUs, you risk destroying your storage devices, even though the actual PSU connectors may be physically identical. The technical forums are full of these disaster stories.
New mobile phones sold in Europe, are to have the same type of charging connectors, by autumn 2024
Hopefully it will spread worldwide
Link to article below
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-08/eu-agrees-single-mobile-charging-port-in-blow-to-apple/101133782
I always become concerned when politicians become involved in technological developments.
Just look at what our polies did to the NBN.
Also I am highly suspicious of the Euro centric mob.
Anything not Euro based is inevitably targeted for trading and legal restrictions.
Has been so since the establishment of the EEC/EC.
BTW .. I have simple cheap adaptors that allow me to use the same charger on Android or Apple devices. What's the problem? Just another Euro Political attack on USA Apple IMHO.
-- Edited by Cupie on Wednesday 8th of June 2022 08:49:43 AM
How long before we are required to replace every power point (gpo) in Australia to comply with Europe.
To my knowledge all items that require charging come with a charger or at least a cable.
If this was the biggest problem we faced each day then life would be pretty good I think
Part of this reasoning by the EU is curb the amount of unwanted chargers going to landfill.
Apple is the most belligerent tech company, such a ****ty attitude to sharing how easy would it make if they were to make facetime available to other platforms.
It would not matter that all manufacturers adopted Apples charger or vica verca, each item still gets a charger so no real difference in my opinion.
I would be more concerned of the packaging that the phone comes in.
I did note after receiving a new iPad 18 months ago and an Apple Watch just recently that there is very little plastic in their packaging.
Mind you though, I think that several trees may have lost their lives so that I had the enjoyment of unpacking the products.
No wonder the British got sick of the EUs constant bureaucratic meddling. I doubt that the Americans will follow suit as it would penalise one of their icon companies in favour of foreign tech manufacturers .. Maybe Apple will just sell a European model and charge them more in order to cover the increased manufacturing cost.. Sounds like a good way to make Apple products less attractive in Europe without putting on tariffs..
BB
I use different charger connectors for apple iphones and Kindle e-books, so I simply use a multi ended adapter. If I was to move to only one connector I would choose the apple lightning connector which can be inserted in either way up, rather than any type of usb a or b or c or micro connector.
Good point. :tick:
Not only phones etc, I have torches, laser measuring devices, satnav, cameras, all bloody different!
That is one of the benefits of USB C. It fits either way. It also supports higher current than the other USB types. The Apple solution is proprietary so not as flexible as USB C, and no doubt they would want their pound of flesh to licence its use, and want to own any future enhancements.
I think it's a great idea to standardise, and soon you would not need a charger to be included. I would like to see it expanded to all low power devices, like modems, smart home hubs, cameras and many more.
As Whenarewethere noted, we need quite a collection of old chargers that have differing connectors.
Next we should be focusing on user replaceable batteries in phones, and then standardisation as well. How good would it be if power tools had interchangeable batteries?
I think some of you have short memories :)
Do you not remember the early days of mobile phones and similar portable devices? Every last damn one of them would have a different charger of different voltage with a different plug! And often the manufacturer would "improve" things by changing the charger/plug between models - I still have my Nokia phone which has a tiny circular plug. And big trouble if you plugged phone A into charger B - the rapid destruction of phone A may result.
iirc it was the EU who mandated USB mini (micro?) as a uniform connector and a damn good move it was too, chargers were then able to become an optional extra when purchasing equipment, my Kindle was not supplied with a charger back in around 2011, it makes the product cheaper and the waste of unnecessary electronic junk is reduced.
I haven't looked in detail at USB C but it seems a decent protocol, reversible connector, some insane data speed and 3A (15W) supply capacity.
As for Apple...? Apple will never be happy until the entire planet is compelled to use only Apple products. If they want to sell in Europe they'll have to toe the line just like the rest of who wish to export there.
Reconfiguring the shape and pinout of a connector can hardly be called a "technological development". In fact I have seen hundreds of cases where damage has resulted from the predatory practice of simply switching the pinout of a power cable while maintaining the same connector.
Let's hope that the EU becomes the bulwark against the ruthless, rapacious kind of capitalism that is prevalent in the USA. The fact that a few American states have only just recently introduced right to repair legislation should tell us all that we need to know about corporate greed.
The newest "innovative" technological development is modular power supplies in desktop computers. If you're one of the many people who like to assemble or repair their own computers, you now need to be aware that modular PSUs are supplied with cables that no longer follow any standardised pinout. In fact, if you swap these cables between your old and new PSUs, you risk destroying your storage devices, even though the actual PSU connectors may be physically identical. The technical forums are full of these disaster stories.