Nothing like fresh food from natural areas. We carry yabbie nets & fishing rods in our caravan at all times. We used to net crabs, gather mussels & oysters where permitted before we recently sold our boat. We pick blackberries every year & always pull over if its safe to do so, to pick apples from roadside trees. We have stewed wild apples & blackberries frozen in our fridge right now. All ready for making pies, turnovers & strudels this cold winter. We don't pick field mushrooms these days even though we've seen some beautiful ones in recent years While bushwalking in wetter areas we enjoy picking native raspberries as we walk along. As a child I can remember picking wild strawberries in the Cotswolds.
DMaxer said
10:39 AM May 8, 2022
I don't think humans are born to hunt Mike. I think some are encouraged by their peers or parents but I don't think we are born with this mind set.
I think it is wrong to kill animals for sport. Animals feel pain, trauma and fear just like we do. Killing animals breaks up family and flock patterns not to mention it confuses the food chain and usually leads to extinction of a non intended victim.
I fully understand the need to control vermin and feral animals and the need to farm and kill animals for we human's food requirements. This is entirely different to blasting away at a lot of defenceless animals merely for the thrill of killing them.
One of the things I really detest are these clowns on the television who run these fishing shows. They are covered in advertising, all call each other names like Scotty and BJ and high five everything in sight if they manage to catch something. After catching whatever they then go through the antics of holding it up, more congratulations all around and then releasing a traumatised animal to more than likely die. This is then heralded by the other brain dead morons accompanying them that they are doing their bit for nature. i love fishing and I go to catch something to eat. I don't need to wipe out half of the river's fish population in the process.
I think those that wantonly kill animals will face some serious karma at a later stage in their life.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Sunday 8th of May 2022 10:40:29 AM
Bicyclecamper said
11:51 AM May 8, 2022
Hear hear DMaxer
Buzz Lightbulb said
12:06 PM May 8, 2022
DMaxer wrote:
I don't think humans are born to hunt Mike. I think some are encouraged by their peers or parents but I don't think we are born with this mind set.
I think it is wrong to kill animals for sport. Animals feel pain, trauma and fear just like we do. Killing animals breaks up family and flock patterns not to mention it confuses the food chain and usually leads to extinction of a non intended victim.
I fully understand the need to control vermin and feral animals and the need to farm and kill animals for we human's food requirements. This is entirely different to blasting away at a lot of defenceless animals merely for the thrill of killing them.
One of the things I really detest are these clowns on the television who run these fishing shows. They are covered in advertising, all call each other names like Scotty and BJ and high five everything in sight if they manage to catch something. After catching whatever they then go through the antics of holding it up, more congratulations all around and then releasing a traumatised animal to more than likely die. This is then heralded by the other brain dead morons accompanying them that they are doing their bit for nature. i love fishing and I go to catch something to eat. I don't need to wipe out half of the river's fish population in the process.
I think those that wantonly kill animals will face some serious karma at a later stage in their life.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Sunday 8th of May 2022 10:40:29 AM
I was taught not to waste when hunting unless it was to control ferals. We'd hunt for food or pelts for money (in the days when fox pelts were worth $20 and that was considered a lot).
Although the fishing shows indicate catch and release, I've heard, but haven't investigated, that many fish that are caught by certain hooks are not likely to survive because of damage done to their mouths, or gills or something. Why hunt if you're not going to use what you catch?
dogbox said
01:25 PM May 8, 2022
DMaxer wrote:
I don't think humans are born to hunt Mike. I think some are encouraged by their peers or parents but I don't think we are born with this mind set.
I think it is wrong to kill animals for sport. Animals feel pain, trauma and fear just like we do. Killing animals breaks up family and flock patterns not to mention it confuses the food chain and usually leads to extinction of a non intended victim.
I fully understand the need to control vermin and feral animals and the need to farm and kill animals for we human's food requirements. This is entirely different to blasting away at a lot of defenceless animals merely for the thrill of killing them.
One of the things I really detest are these clowns on the television who run these fishing shows. They are covered in advertising, all call each other names like Scotty and BJ and high five everything in sight if they manage to catch something. After catching whatever they then go through the antics of holding it up, more congratulations all around and then releasing a traumatised animal to more than likely die. This is then heralded by the other brain dead morons accompanying them that they are doing their bit for nature. i love fishing and I go to catch something to eat. I don't need to wipe out half of the river's fish population in the process.
I think those that wantonly kill animals will face some serious karma at a later stage in their life.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Sunday 8th of May 2022 10:40:29 AM
when i read what you have posted i wonder if you read the op's post an the comment's that followed .
Mike Harding said
01:45 PM May 8, 2022
DMaxer wrote:
I think those that wantonly kill animals will face some serious karma at a later stage in their life.
What? You mean Lions?
Don't worry about it and head back to the SafeColes meat counter Dmaxer and pay someone else to do your killing such that your conscience may fool itself into innocence.
Mike Harding said
01:46 PM May 8, 2022
dogbox wrote:
when i read what you have posted i wonder if you read the op's post an the comment's that followed .
He clearly did not read the article; he's bored and looking for an argument, that's all.
DMaxer said
02:36 PM May 8, 2022
That's a rather churlish and petulant display Mike. If you bothered to read what I posted you would see that I readily accept animals are killed for human consumption.
I don't need a lecture from you telling me where to shop or how to manage my conscience as I am quite capable of performing both tasks.
If you enjoy killing animals then go right on with your pleasure. Just don't start lecturing others who have moved on from prehistoric ways.
The deniers simply don't understand the biology are watch too much goodie, goodie, TV. How do they think stone age people lived, went to Coles to shop? Lol
In anthropology circles it's been well known for at least a century.
In the early stages of evolution when we were apes we started eating red meat. This allowed our brains to grow and evolve much faster. Some apes still do.
Our eyes are at the front of our head allowing us to judge distance better when hunting. Nearly all predators have eyes at the front of the head.
Nearly all herbivores (prey, deer, rabbits, ducks etc) have eyes at the side of the head allowing to have about 300 deg view of the world, unlike predators.
Men's brains are wired to pick up patterns and movement to spot the prey, that's why we can't find the salt in the pantry but the wife can, and thinks we are idiots.
Women's brains are wired differently to men. They are programmed to pick up berries, mushrooms, nuts, fruit etc. That's why they like to go shopping. God help me.
oldbloke said
05:20 PM May 8, 2022
DMaxer wrote:
I don't think humans are born to hunt Mike. I think some are encouraged by their peers or parents but I don't think we are born with this mind set.
I think it is wrong to kill animals for sport. Animals feel pain, trauma and fear just like we do. Killing animals breaks up family and flock patterns not to mention it confuses the food chain and usually leads to extinction of a non intended victim.
I fully understand the need to control vermin and feral animals and the need to farm and kill animals for we human's food requirements. This is entirely different to blasting away at a lot of defenceless animals merely for the thrill of killing them.
One of the things I really detest are these clowns on the television who run these fishing shows. They are covered in advertising, all call each other names like Scotty and BJ and high five everything in sight if they manage to catch something. After catching whatever they then go through the antics of holding it up, more congratulations all around and then releasing a traumatised animal to more than likely die. This is then heralded by the other brain dead morons accompanying them that they are doing their bit for nature. i love fishing and I go to catch something to eat. I don't need to wipe out half of the river's fish population in the process.
I think those that wantonly kill animals will face some serious karma at a later stage in their life.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Sunday 8th of May 2022 10:40:29 AM
I agree. Hunting for sport suggests it's a game. It is not what I call hunting, it's shooting. BUT if you eat it, it's not sport, that is hunting. We are no different to a tiger or eagle, just our tools are more advanced. And that is because our brains are better,,, because we hunt and eat red meat.
Shooting feral is different again.
dogbox said
08:32 AM May 9, 2022
DMaxer wrote:
I don't think humans are born to hunt Mike. I think some are encouraged by their peers or parents but I don't think we are born with this mind set.
I think it is wrong to kill animals for sport. Animals feel pain, trauma and fear just like we do. Killing animals breaks up family and flock patterns not to mention it confuses the food chain and usually leads to extinction of a non intended victim.
I fully understand the need to control vermin and feral animals and the need to farm and kill animals for we human's food requirements. This is entirely different to blasting away at a lot of defenceless animals merely for the thrill of killing them.
One of the things I really detest are these clowns on the television who run these fishing shows. They are covered in advertising, all call each other names like Scotty and BJ and high five everything in sight if they manage to catch something. After catching whatever they then go through the antics of holding it up, more congratulations all around and then releasing a traumatised animal to more than likely die. This is then heralded by the other brain dead morons accompanying them that they are doing their bit for nature. i love fishing and I go to catch something to eat. I don't need to wipe out half of the river's fish population in the process.
I think those that wantonly kill animals will face some serious karma at a later stage in their life.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Sunday 8th of May 2022 10:40:29 AM
why would you go fishing for the sole purpose of getting something to eat, a lot cheaper to buy it a the super market or fish an chip shop.?
a lot of fish have been catch and released with tags in them , some have been caught years later providing useful information for researchers (science guys)
these fishing shows keep a lot of people employed and a lot of weekend, would be warriors, happy . i would think most would agree that conservation would be the underling theme .
predators are part of the way of the world it helps to balance the eco-system , we happen to be predators. unfortunately we have a history of over exploiting things, other predators will move on when pickings get slim ,we just find better ways to exploit the diminishing resources . seen a doco on wolves in yellowstone park when they where reintroduced it changed the eco-system for the better and the effects where as far reaching as aiding in the control of fires , the wolves kept the elk and deer on the move so they spent more time eating the under growth in the forests than in the meadows reducing the fuel load resulting in less intense fires . nature at it's best
peter67 said
10:39 AM May 9, 2022
Excellent doco that shows how well restoring a natural cycle to wildlife populations works. African big game hunting safari's, where they charge a hunter tens of thousands USD per safari work well in a conservation sense there. The money earned goes to fund anti poaching patrols and pays for lots of game wardens, the local villagers directly benefit as well. What a pity we don't have the large African cats here as an apex predator for brumby's, goats, foxes and feral pussy cats, it would certainly liven up our free camping experience in Australia. I've found that once humans are on the menu their anti gun hysteria fades quickly.
Buzz Lightbulb said
11:46 AM May 9, 2022
Friends of mine, who live in South Africa, went remote camping in a tent with their 7 and 9 year old children. I was surprised, I asked weren't they worried about big cats, hippos and all the other potential killing wild animals. They just shrugged it off and said that it's better than Australia with all our venomous snakes and spiders. I thought I can avoid snakes and spiders but I don't think that I could run away from a big cat, etcetera.
I guess it's what you're used to. Some people are brought up thinking that hunting is fine and some are brought up thinking that killing is bad. I'm in the former group as long as the kill is used.
Buzz Lightbulb said
12:01 PM May 9, 2022
dogbox wrote:
DMaxer wrote:
I don't think humans are born to hunt Mike. I think some are encouraged by their peers or parents but I don't think we are born with this mind set.
I think it is wrong to kill animals for sport. Animals feel pain, trauma and fear just like we do. Killing animals breaks up family and flock patterns not to mention it confuses the food chain and usually leads to extinction of a non intended victim.
I fully understand the need to control vermin and feral animals and the need to farm and kill animals for we human's food requirements. This is entirely different to blasting away at a lot of defenceless animals merely for the thrill of killing them.
One of the things I really detest are these clowns on the television who run these fishing shows. They are covered in advertising, all call each other names like Scotty and BJ and high five everything in sight if they manage to catch something. After catching whatever they then go through the antics of holding it up, more congratulations all around and then releasing a traumatised animal to more than likely die. This is then heralded by the other brain dead morons accompanying them that they are doing their bit for nature. i love fishing and I go to catch something to eat. I don't need to wipe out half of the river's fish population in the process.
I think those that wantonly kill animals will face some serious karma at a later stage in their life.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Sunday 8th of May 2022 10:40:29 AM
why would you go fishing for the sole purpose of getting something to eat, a lot cheaper to buy it a the super market or fish an chip shop.?
a lot of fish have been catch and released with tags in them , some have been caught years later providing useful information for researchers (science guys)
these fishing shows keep a lot of people employed and a lot of weekend, would be warriors, happy . i would think most would agree that conservation would be the underling theme .
predators are part of the way of the world it helps to balance the eco-system , we happen to be predators. unfortunately we have a history of over exploiting things, other predators will move on when pickings get slim ,we just find better ways to exploit the diminishing resources . seen a doco on wolves in yellowstone park when they where reintroduced it changed the eco-system for the better and the effects where as far reaching as aiding in the control of fires , the wolves kept the elk and deer on the move so they spent more time eating the under growth in the forests than in the meadows reducing the fuel load resulting in less intense fires . nature at it's best
I'm not sure if they are the same wolves or even in the USA but I did read that a stray dog was responsible for killing about seven of a pack of 13 wolves. The dog had rabies or dog distemper that had spread and killed the wolves.
The article also mentioned that dogs were responsible for killing thousands of animals and disturbing fauna. Insects were killed by the flea and tick treatments used in dogs, the dogs disturbed aquacultures when swimming in waterways, dogs chasing birds or just being near birds habitats disturbed their breeding and the list goes on.
It's good to help balance the natural order but we also need to reduce the human activities and influences for the natural balance to work.
Craig1 said
01:14 PM May 11, 2022
Possibley should go in the Recall section, but this ittle gadget could thin out a few hunters https://productsafety.us10.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2d4af35bb8308428c89cac9a4&id=df8eaba36f&e=18195b1b0b Lithgow Arms Muzzle Brake 308WIN, 5/8 inch UNEF and Muzzle Brake 6.5CM, 5/8 inch UNEF for LA102 CrossOver and LA105 Woomera Rifles Lithgow Arms Muzzle Brake 308WIN, 5/8 inch UNEF and Muzzle Brake 6.5CM, 5/8 inch UNEF for LA102 CrossOver and LA105 Woomera Rifles cant get a better link.
Wanda said
05:54 PM May 11, 2022
Maybe the post should read.......... "Humans were born to hunt, thousands of years ago!!"
oldbloke said
08:13 AM May 12, 2022
Wanda wrote:
Maybe the post should read.......... "Humans were born to hunt, thousands of years ago!!"
Someone does not understand the rate of change regarding evolution.
Humans are born to hunt
Nothing like fresh food from natural areas. We carry yabbie nets & fishing rods in our caravan at all times. We used to net crabs, gather mussels & oysters where permitted before we recently sold our boat. We pick blackberries every year & always pull over if its safe to do so, to pick apples from roadside trees. We have stewed wild apples & blackberries frozen in our fridge right now. All ready for making pies, turnovers & strudels this cold winter. We don't pick field mushrooms these days even though we've seen some beautiful ones in recent years While bushwalking in wetter areas we enjoy picking native raspberries as we walk along. As a child I can remember picking wild strawberries in the Cotswolds.
I don't think humans are born to hunt Mike. I think some are encouraged by their peers or parents but I don't think we are born with this mind set.
I think it is wrong to kill animals for sport. Animals feel pain, trauma and fear just like we do. Killing animals breaks up family and flock patterns not to mention it confuses the food chain and usually leads to extinction of a non intended victim.
I fully understand the need to control vermin and feral animals and the need to farm and kill animals for we human's food requirements. This is entirely different to blasting away at a lot of defenceless animals merely for the thrill of killing them.
One of the things I really detest are these clowns on the television who run these fishing shows. They are covered in advertising, all call each other names like Scotty and BJ and high five everything in sight if they manage to catch something. After catching whatever they then go through the antics of holding it up, more congratulations all around and then releasing a traumatised animal to more than likely die. This is then heralded by the other brain dead morons accompanying them that they are doing their bit for nature. i love fishing and I go to catch something to eat. I don't need to wipe out half of the river's fish population in the process.
I think those that wantonly kill animals will face some serious karma at a later stage in their life.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Sunday 8th of May 2022 10:40:29 AM
Hear hear DMaxer
I was taught not to waste when hunting unless it was to control ferals. We'd hunt for food or pelts for money (in the days when fox pelts were worth $20 and that was considered a lot).
Although the fishing shows indicate catch and release, I've heard, but haven't investigated, that many fish that are caught by certain hooks are not likely to survive because of damage done to their mouths, or gills or something. Why hunt if you're not going to use what you catch?
when i read what you have posted i wonder if you read the op's post an the comment's that followed .
What? You mean Lions?
Don't worry about it and head back to the SafeColes meat counter Dmaxer and pay someone else to do your killing such that your conscience may fool itself into innocence.
He clearly did not read the article; he's bored and looking for an argument, that's all.
That's a rather churlish and petulant display Mike. If you bothered to read what I posted you would see that I readily accept animals are killed for human consumption.
I don't need a lecture from you telling me where to shop or how to manage my conscience as I am quite capable of performing both tasks.
If you enjoy killing animals then go right on with your pleasure. Just don't start lecturing others who have moved on from prehistoric ways.
100% Correct.
The deniers simply don't understand the biology are watch too much goodie, goodie, TV. How do they think stone age people lived, went to Coles to shop? Lol
In anthropology circles it's been well known for at least a century.
In the early stages of evolution when we were apes we started eating red meat. This allowed our brains to grow and evolve much faster. Some apes still do.
Our eyes are at the front of our head allowing us to judge distance better when hunting. Nearly all predators have eyes at the front of the head.
Nearly all herbivores (prey, deer, rabbits, ducks etc) have eyes at the side of the head allowing to have about 300 deg view of the world, unlike predators.
Guess why?
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20141013-why-do-your-eyes-face-forwards
Men's brains are wired to pick up patterns and movement to spot the prey, that's why we can't find the salt in the pantry but the wife can, and thinks we are idiots.
Women's brains are wired differently to men. They are programmed to pick up berries, mushrooms, nuts, fruit etc. That's why they like to go shopping. God help me.
I agree. Hunting for sport suggests it's a game. It is not what I call hunting, it's shooting. BUT if you eat it, it's not sport, that is hunting. We are no different to a tiger or eagle, just our tools are more advanced. And that is because our brains are better,,, because we hunt and eat red meat.
Shooting feral is different again.
why would you go fishing for the sole purpose of getting something to eat, a lot cheaper to buy it a the super market or fish an chip shop.?
a lot of fish have been catch and released with tags in them , some have been caught years later providing useful information for researchers (science guys)
these fishing shows keep a lot of people employed and a lot of weekend, would be warriors, happy . i would think most would agree that conservation would be the underling theme .
predators are part of the way of the world it helps to balance the eco-system , we happen to be predators. unfortunately we have a history of over exploiting things, other predators will move on when pickings get slim ,we just find better ways to exploit the diminishing resources .
seen a doco on wolves in yellowstone park when they where reintroduced it changed the eco-system for the better and the effects where as far reaching as aiding in the control of fires , the wolves kept the elk and deer on the move so they spent more time eating the under growth in the forests than in the meadows reducing the fuel load resulting in less intense fires . nature at it's best
Excellent doco that shows how well restoring a natural cycle to wildlife populations works. African big game hunting safari's, where they charge a hunter tens of thousands USD per safari work well in a conservation sense there. The money earned goes to fund anti poaching patrols and pays for lots of game wardens, the local villagers directly benefit as well. What a pity we don't have the large African cats here as an apex predator for brumby's, goats, foxes and feral pussy cats, it would certainly liven up our free camping experience in Australia. I've found that once humans are on the menu their anti gun hysteria fades quickly.
Friends of mine, who live in South Africa, went remote camping in a tent with their 7 and 9 year old children. I was surprised, I asked weren't they worried about big cats, hippos and all the other potential killing wild animals. They just shrugged it off and said that it's better than Australia with all our venomous snakes and spiders. I thought I can avoid snakes and spiders but I don't think that I could run away from a big cat, etcetera.
I guess it's what you're used to. Some people are brought up thinking that hunting is fine and some are brought up thinking that killing is bad. I'm in the former group as long as the kill is used.
I'm not sure if they are the same wolves or even in the USA but I did read that a stray dog was responsible for killing about seven of a pack of 13 wolves. The dog had rabies or dog distemper that had spread and killed the wolves.
The article also mentioned that dogs were responsible for killing thousands of animals and disturbing fauna. Insects were killed by the flea and tick treatments used in dogs, the dogs disturbed aquacultures when swimming in waterways, dogs chasing birds or just being near birds habitats disturbed their breeding and the list goes on.
It's good to help balance the natural order but we also need to reduce the human activities and influences for the natural balance to work.
Possibley should go in the Recall section, but this ittle gadget could thin out a few hunters https://productsafety.us10.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2d4af35bb8308428c89cac9a4&id=df8eaba36f&e=18195b1b0b Lithgow Arms Muzzle Brake 308WIN, 5/8 inch UNEF and Muzzle Brake 6.5CM, 5/8 inch UNEF for LA102 CrossOver and LA105 Woomera Rifles Lithgow Arms Muzzle Brake 308WIN, 5/8 inch UNEF and Muzzle Brake 6.5CM, 5/8 inch UNEF for LA102 CrossOver and LA105 Woomera Rifles cant get a better link.
Maybe the post should read.......... "Humans were born to hunt, thousands of years ago!!"
Someone does not understand the rate of change regarding evolution.