- the world must cut global greenhouse gas emissions by 45 per cent this decade if we are to have a chance of staying at 1.5 degrees
- "Sales of SUVs, sports utility vehicles, went up 17 per cent. Aviation [went up] 29 per cent.
- "Energy demand for cooling in residential buildings went up 40 per cent."
- the richest 10 per cent of households contribute about 40 per cent of greenhouse gas emissions,while the bottom half contribute less than 15 per cent,
- The cost of renewable energy technology also dropped over the past decade, with solar, wind and batteries now 87 per cent, 55 per cent and 85 per cent cheaper than in 2010,
- to keep temperatures below 2 degrees increase the world must cut back by 2050:
- coal by an estimated 85 per cent
- oil by 30 per cent
- gas by 15 per cent
There's more about what Australia needs to do in the article.
Wanda said
02:33 PM Apr 6, 2022
We need to be doing more but it won't happen while we have a Government that keep fudging the figures.
Cheers
Ian
dogbox said
06:06 PM Apr 6, 2022
Wanda wrote:
We need to be doing more but it won't happen while we have a Government that keep fudging the figures. Cheers Ian
the only thing that will stop us from damaging the planet ,will be to reduce the population . china tried with their one child policy what are we doing ?
if our population keep increasing at its present rate it won't be long before we go the way of a plague of mice , and it won't matter what we do to try an be "green"
the younger generations are the ones that are energy hungry, an want everything now, increasing demand for resources .when i look back an see what has changed in my life time, then wonder about changes my grandkids will experience that i can not even imagine . how can we blame our government they were elected by us as a majority and if the way people think/feel changes we will have a chance to turf them out in the near future . but i don't think a change of government will make a lot of difference it will cost a lot of money to go green and most of us think thru our wallet and elected people only think as far ahead as the next election
86GTS said
07:34 PM Apr 6, 2022
Why worry, we'll all be long gone by the time it happens?
Its inevitable because countries will never agree on climate change.
It all boils down to money, but unfortunately money won't be worth anything when it happens.
Are We Lost said
10:30 PM Apr 6, 2022
As Dogbox said, the far more immediate issue than climate change is population growth. At the current rate of growth the world population grows by about a billion in 12 years. And population growth drives more consumerism, which drives more climate change. Why is nobody talking about this?
It's hard to see any reasonable solution, but I don't envy the younger generation and what changes may come.
As for Australia and our contribution to reducing emissions, we can only make a miniscule difference to world emissions. Natural emissions account for about 97%. Of the remaing 3%, Australia produces a little over 1% of that ..... less than 0.05% of total emissions. If we stopped all emissions overnight it would make negligible difference. We should be focusing on how best to deal with it rather than peeing in the ocean. That's another one nobody talks about ... how we will deal with what climate change brings.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Wednesday 6th of April 2022 10:35:10 PM
dabbler said
10:52 PM Apr 6, 2022
While it's true Australia only produces 1% of carbon emissions, we export 2 and a half times that and actually assist in the global production of 3.6% emissions. And that 1% we produce domestically means we're also ranked 14th in the world and 1st in the world per capita for emissions. Population control is important but it's a multi-generational change whereas reduction of raw resources consumption and efficiency in production is a more easily achieved goal. Australia is a long way from doing it's bit and can easily do more except too many people are unwilling to accept a change that seemingly disadvantages them regardless of future costs and negative effects.
Are We Lost said
11:38 PM Apr 6, 2022
If we left the coal in the ground and chose not to sell it, the buyers would just get it from elsewhere. So, cutting off a major income stream would achieve absolutely zero. But other countries would benefit financially from selling it rather than us. If other countries also chose not to supply it, then maybe.
Again, whatever we do, we can make virtually no impact. So we should be focusing on how to deal with the impacts of it.
Peter_n_Margaret said
08:21 AM Apr 7, 2022
Are We Lost wrote:
If we left the coal in the ground and chose not to sell it, the buyers would just get it from elsewhere. So, cutting off a major income stream would achieve absolutely zero. But other countries would benefit financially from selling it rather than us. If other countries also chose not to supply it, then maybe.
Again, whatever we do, we can make virtually no impact. So we should be focusing on how to deal with the impacts of it.
It is not like that.
If we stopped selling coal, the price that others would sell for would increase significantly and that would encourage the buyers to increase their renewable energy.
Alternatively we could all put our heads in the sand and become dinosaurs. The "impacts of it" are not livable, but some simply don't get it.
Cheers,
Peter
Wanda said
08:59 AM Apr 7, 2022
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
Are We Lost wrote:
If we left the coal in the ground and chose not to sell it, the buyers would just get it from elsewhere. So, cutting off a major income stream would achieve absolutely zero. But other countries would benefit financially from selling it rather than us. If other countries also chose not to supply it, then maybe.
Again, whatever we do, we can make virtually no impact. So we should be focusing on how to deal with the impacts of it.
It is not like that.
If we stopped selling coal, the price that others would sell for would increase significantly and that would encourage the buyers to increase their renewable energy.
Alternatively we could all put our heads in the sand and become dinosaurs. The "impacts of it" are not livable, but some simply don't get it.
Cheers,
Peter
Well put Peter, 100% correct.
On the subject of population, yes its a problem but probably manageable, IF WE DO THE RIGHT THING.
WE need to change our thinking, and some of us need to take off our blinkers and take our heads out the sand.
Your children are going to be left with the problem we helped create, but did little about, other than talk about it!
cheers
Ian
dogbox said
10:01 AM Apr 7, 2022
Wanda wrote:
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
Are We Lost wrote:
If we left the coal in the ground and chose not to sell it, the buyers would just get it from elsewhere. So, cutting off a major income stream would achieve absolutely zero. But other countries would benefit financially from selling it rather than us. If other countries also chose not to supply it, then maybe.
Again, whatever we do, we can make virtually no impact. So we should be focusing on how to deal with the impacts of it.
It is not like that.
If we stopped selling coal, the price that others would sell for would increase significantly and that would encourage the buyers to increase their renewable energy.
Alternatively we could all put our heads in the sand and become dinosaurs. The "impacts of it" are not livable, but some simply don't get it.
Cheers,
Peter
Well put Peter, 100% correct.
On the subject of population, yes its a problem but probably manageable, IF WE DO THE RIGHT THING.
WE need to change our thinking, and some of us need to take off our blinkers and take our heads out the sand.
Your children are going to be left with the problem we helped create, but did little about, other than talk about it!
cheers
Ian
i would appear to me that some of the GREEN solutions may not be as green as they sound we went from paper bags (biodegradable natural product ) to throwaway plastic bags ,then to reusable plastic bags that you would have to use 110 times to match a single use one plus all the other plastic products that end up in landfill for 1000 + years or worse floating in the oceans windmills and solar that create more waste than they might save when they reach end of service, more research is needed if the focus was on population it would lead to less demand on resources, less pollution, the earth will recover it self if given enough time . one example is Chernobyl (probably not a good example currently) but nature is reclaiming it.
Wanda said
10:57 AM Apr 7, 2022
We have to stop this nit-picking, climate change is here, Sydney has just passed its annual rainfall for a year, in 4 mths.
Some things may not be 100% green, at the moment, but they are better than what we are currently doing.
This is a lifestyle change, we all need to open our eyes and take an interest, there lies part of the problem, people absorbed in their own self intersests!
Your kids are going to have to fix it or learn to live with disaster after disaster
And that will come at a huge cost for everyone
Ian
Peter_n_Margaret said
12:35 PM Apr 7, 2022
dogbox wrote:
i would appear to me that some of the GREEN solutions may not be as green as they sound we went from paper bags (biodegradable natural product ) to throwaway plastic bags ,then to reusable plastic bags that you would have to use 110 times to match a single use one plus all the other plastic products that end up in landfill for 1000 + years or worse floating in the oceans windmills and solar that create more waste than they might save when they reach end of service, more research is needed if the focus was on population it would lead to less demand on resources, less pollution, the earth will recover it self if given enough time . one example is Chernobyl (probably not a good example currently) but nature is reclaiming it.
Rose coloured glasses.
The Chenobyl disaster was 1986. 36 years ago and the area is still not safe to live in and won't be for maybe 20,000 years.
The initial emergency response, together with later decontamination of the environment, involved more than 500,000 personnel and cost an estimated 18 billion Soviet rublesroughly US$68 billion in 2019, adjusted for inflation.
The Port Augusta coal powered power station in SA was closed in 2016 after a life of just 31 years. It took 5 years to get rid of the mess. Don't ask where it went or about the damage it did (including marine) while it was there.
My first set of RV solar panels were still operating over 20 years after purchase when I gave them to my son. Solar panels can be largely recycled.
Cheers,
Peter
dogbox said
01:43 PM Apr 7, 2022
Chernobyl may have been 36 years ago but that is nothing in the history of our world and nature is taking it back already. with all the Russians digging holes in the ground they may have stirred it up a bit .
i just hope that some of the things we do now, (that look good at present), will not cause more /bigger problems for future generations
might have anti glare polarized glasses but definitely not rose coloured glasses
we can close all the coal fired power station we got, i just hope what we replace them with will supply the power we need when we need it
Are We Lost said
02:11 PM Apr 7, 2022
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:...............
Solar panels can be largely recycled.
Cheers,
Peter
Yes true. You have said that before. But there is a difference between "can" and "are". They can be recycled, but it is not economic to do so, and it takes energy. So they go to landfill.
In Australia there is only 1 small recycler, and they charge for it. Some recycling is done in other countries but they need subsidies to make it viable. No doubt it will happen one day.
Peter_n_Margaret said
02:27 PM Apr 7, 2022
There is no difficulty recycling the aluminium, glass and copper and that is the majority.
Not much in a coal fired power station beyond some scrap steel when its finished.
The coal fired power stations are being closed due to the excess of cheap renewable power. They just can not compete. We doo need extra storage though, especially pumped hydro schemes like Snowy 2.
Cheers,
Peter
dogbox said
05:33 PM Apr 7, 2022
Are We Lost wrote:
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:...............
Solar panels can be largely recycled.
Cheers,
Peter
Yes true. You have said that before. But there is a difference between "can" and "are". They can be recycled, but it is not economic to do so, and it takes energy. So they go to landfill.
In Australia there is only 1 small recycler, and they charge for it. Some recycling is done in other countries but they need subsidies to make it viable. No doubt it will happen one day.
you stated it right on ,we must pay for it , an there lays the problem we don't like to pay . we lost our heavy manufacturing to overseas because they could do it cheaper, the greens stopped Tasmania becoming a cheap source of power ,no problem ,but they didn't come up with an alternate to replace it the closing of power stations may sound good , but will all this renewable energy be there when we need it ?
Buzz Lightbulb said
01:04 PM Apr 19, 2022
86GTS wrote:
Why worry, we'll all be long gone by the time it happens? Its inevitable because countries will never agree on climate change. It all boils down to money, but unfortunately money won't be worth anything when it happens.
The detrimental effects of climate change are already happening. You are right though, we've been warned about this since the 1970's but still the countries appear to be only paying lip service.
Buzz Lightbulb said
01:17 PM Apr 19, 2022
Are We Lost wrote:
As Dogbox said, the far more immediate issue than climate change is population growth. At the current rate of growth the world population grows by about a billion in 12 years. And population growth drives more consumerism, which drives more climate change. Why is nobody talking about this?
It's hard to see any reasonable solution, but I don't envy the younger generation and what changes may come.
As for Australia and our contribution to reducing emissions, we can only make a miniscule difference to world emissions. Natural emissions account for about 97%. Of the remaing 3%, Australia produces a little over 1% of that ..... less than 0.05% of total emissions. If we stopped all emissions overnight it would make negligible difference. We should be focusing on how best to deal with it rather than peeing in the ocean. That's another one nobody talks about ... how we will deal with what climate change brings.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Wednesday 6th of April 2022 10:35:10 PM
Yes. Population is the real issue, or more so, the consumerism of the population. If we all lived like some Africans then there'd be enough resources for all and a lot less consumption but how do we control population?
The one child policy in China worked for a while but caused issues when females were killed or abandoned at bird because makes were preferred. Now there's a problem of about ten males to every female, so some females choose the best makes for breeding and then leave the men.
I have three children, none of which have children. I didn't know about the affects of the population on the environment when my children were born. Although, two were unplanned, I wouldn't want to NOT now have them. We can only educate our children that population is the big issue.
Similarly, with our emissions. We can't stop all the climate change as a single country but we can show the rest of the world that we can do something and maybe lead by example.
Buzz Lightbulb said
01:21 PM Apr 19, 2022
dogbox wrote:
Wanda wrote:
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
Are We Lost wrote:
If we left the coal in the ground and chose not to sell it, the buyers would just get it from elsewhere. So, cutting off a major income stream would achieve absolutely zero. But other countries would benefit financially from selling it rather than us. If other countries also chose not to supply it, then maybe.
Again, whatever we do, we can make virtually no impact. So we should be focusing on how to deal with the impacts of it.
It is not like that.
If we stopped selling coal, the price that others would sell for would increase significantly and that would encourage the buyers to increase their renewable energy.
Alternatively we could all put our heads in the sand and become dinosaurs. The "impacts of it" are not livable, but some simply don't get it.
Cheers,
Peter
Well put Peter, 100% correct.
On the subject of population, yes its a problem but probably manageable, IF WE DO THE RIGHT THING.
WE need to change our thinking, and some of us need to take off our blinkers and take our heads out the sand.
Your children are going to be left with the problem we helped create, but did little about, other than talk about it!
cheers
Ian
i would appear to me that some of the GREEN solutions may not be as green as they sound we went from paper bags (biodegradable natural product ) to throwaway plastic bags ,then to reusable plastic bags that you would have to use 110 times to match a single use one plus all the other plastic products that end up in landfill for 1000 + years or worse floating in the oceans windmills and solar that create more waste than they might save when they reach end of service, more research is needed if the focus was on population it would lead to less demand on resources, less pollution, the earth will recover it self if given enough time . one example is Chernobyl (probably not a good example currently) but nature is reclaiming it.
There are companies that include the cost of afterlife processing, such as recycling, into the price of the product. If we demand that for all goods then that could help.
Buzz Lightbulb said
01:32 PM Apr 19, 2022
dogbox wrote:
Chernobyl may have been 36 years ago but that is nothing in the history of our world and nature is taking it back already. with all the Russians digging holes in the ground they may have stirred it up a bit . i just hope that some of the things we do now, (that look good at present), will not cause more /bigger problems for future generations
might have anti glare polarized glasses but definitely not rose coloured glasses
we can close all the coal fired power station we got, i just hope what we replace them with will supply the power we need when we need it
We thought that using fossil fuels was the right thing to do until we were told in the 70's that it's causing global problems. We are now told by the scientists that other options are better for the environment.
We can only do what we THINK is best and that means listening to the scientists. It may not be the best solution but it is a better solution and hopefully an even better solution will come along. It's the only solution to allow down the destruction that we are causing.
Take petrol for an example. Lead was added to petrol to help engines but then we found out it harms people. Unfortunately the big companies fought to not have it removed but eventually the governments listened to the scientists and it's now banned.
Now we know that petrol itself is again harming the environment. If the governments listen to the scientists to try and replace it's use with something that seems better, then that's the best the governments can do. However, the governments are still being influenced by the few super rich and are not acting quick enough.
Buzz Lightbulb said
01:40 PM Apr 19, 2022
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
There is no difficulty recycling the aluminium, glass and copper and that is the majority. Not much in a coal fired power station beyond some scrap steel when its finished. The coal fired power stations are being closed due to the excess of cheap renewable power. They just can not compete. We doo need extra storage though, especially pumped hydro schemes like Snowy 2. Cheers, Peter
Pumped hydro is definitely the best long term solution but it takes a lot of money and time to implement. Meanwhile, batteries and heat sinks are a quicker solution for short term electricity supply in times when renewables are lacking.
We should also be implementing High Voltage Direct Current infrastructure to get the renewable energy from its source to the existing substations for distribution to the where electricity is in demand. Unless, the renewables can be built next to the energy demand. However, I don't think that many people would, currently, like a huge wind turbine in their suburb.
Rob Driver said
06:19 PM Apr 19, 2022
Climate change is a scam to enable the money to be removed from gullible people.
For every scientist claiming this nonsense there are others who offer very valid reasons why it is a scam.
The weather is what it is.
We have had four seasons as defined throughout history.
We experience change around the end of each season.
Even just today our national forecast indicates that those in the SE of the country are now in for a spell of cold weather.
This is not out of the ordinary as this is what happens at the change of our seasons.
It is not global warming, it is not the coming of an ice age it is not the start of anything that might be the dream of some unscrupulous types that have devised a way to remove money from the population of the world.
It is THE WEATHER.
Nothing more and nothing less. The weather has been unpredictable since the existence of man.
Just because we now have self interested partys that have manipulated and deleted weather figure recordings from our archives to provide skewed information to convince the weak and the gullible, in no way makes their new figures accurate when by their own devious design they have removed and altered the very records that had existed for over 100 years.
It is a shame that well educated people spend a good part of their career on fabricating tales that are only in place as a tool to scare the gullible.
It is not that the majority of the non believers dont want a sustainable and healthy planet but more about the effort being wasted on these false claims of global warming and climate change and the demand that we all contribute financially to their impossible target.
While the target is continually moved by similar reports to the above we will never achieve anything except making a few people rich, very rich.
Clean up our rubbish, decentralise our population, stop industrial practices that have been proven to be detrimental to our planet stop land clearing and the simple one, plant trees.
This will achieve a healthy planet for all of us and for future generations to come.
An impossible target preached to us from dubious sources will do nothing but line the pockets of a few with disgusting amounts of money and wealth.
In any other situation it would be called theft, misrepresentation and gain by false pretences.
yobarr said
07:23 PM Apr 19, 2022
Rob Driver wrote:
Climate change is a scam to enable the money to be removed from gullible people.
For every scientist claiming this nonsense there are others who offer very valid reasons why it is a scam.
The weather is what it is.
We have had four seasons as defined throughout history. We experience change around the end of each season. Even just today our national forecast indicates that those in the SE of the country are now in for a spell of cold weather. This is not out of the ordinary as this is what happens at the change of our seasons. It is not global warming, it is not the coming of an ice age it is not the start of anything that might be the dream of some unscrupulous types that have devised a way to remove money from the population of the world.
It is THE WEATHER.
Nothing more and nothing less. The weather has been unpredictable since the existence of man. Just because we now have self interested partys that have manipulated and deleted weather figure recordings from our archives to provide skewed information to convince the weak and the gullible, in no way makes their new figures accurate when by their own devious design they have removed and altered the very records that had existed for over 100 years.
It is a shame that well educated people spend a good part of their career on fabricating tales that are only in place as a tool to scare the gullible. It is not that the majority of the non believers dont want a sustainable and healthy planet but more about the effort being wasted on these false claims of global warming and climate change and the demand that we all contribute financially to their impossible target. While the target is continually moved by similar reports to the above we will never achieve anything except making a few people rich, very rich.
Clean up our rubbish, decentralise our population, stop industrial practices that have been proven to be detrimental to our planet stop land clearing and the simple one, plant trees.
This will achieve a healthy planet for all of us and for future generations to come.
An impossible target preached to us from dubious sources will do nothing but line the pockets of a few with disgusting amounts of money and wealth.
In any other situation it would be called theft, misrepresentation and gain by false pretences.
Excellent post Rob, but unfortunately we are surrounded by gullible people who seem unable to think logically and will believe anything. Unfortunately, a complete generation of youngsters is being brainwashed into believing this rubbish. As you suggest, Climate change is a scam, largely promoted only by those with with a vested interest. You have made some excellent points. Well done. Cheers
Rob Driver said
08:10 PM Apr 19, 2022
Yobarr wrote;
Excellent post Rob, but unfortunately we are surrounded by gullible people who seem unable to think logically and will believe anything. Unfortunately, a complete generation of youngsters is being brainwashed into believing this rubbish. As you suggest, Climate change is a scam, largely promoted only by those with with a vested interest. You have made some excellent points. Well done. Cheers
Thank you for the support Yobarr, it is appreciated.
I do note from some other of your comments you are as passionate as me in exposing this international scam for what it is.
I really believe that there is a majority that can see through this profound deception but unfortunately they remain the silent majority.
How some Aussies are getting sucked into this nonsense has me beat. I really thought that collectively we were smarter than that.
Our grandchildren will be reduced to the lowest of living standards because of the inaction of those who wont stand up to these miscreants who are promoting this in Australia. Those, such as the likes of the author in the link will have us all begging for our existence while their greed is satisfied and supported by the gullible.
All we can do is keep repeating the truth and hope that it does get through to others.
oldbloke said
09:34 PM Apr 19, 2022
I always laugh when someone with no qualifications says all those that have qualifications ,(including the IPCC) that they are wrong or telling lies.
Well, I'm not so gullible that I believe any of those with no qualifications on the subject matter.
Dicko1 said
06:56 AM Apr 20, 2022
oldbloke wrote:
I always laugh when someone with no qualifications says all those that have qualifications ,(including the IPCC) that they are wrong or telling lies.
Well, I'm not so gullible that I believe any of those with no qualifications on the subject matter.
Like you I just shake my head at how the totally unqualified try and tell us that thousands of highly educated experienced scientists and researchers are wrong about their facts. One argument they use is that we believe the media and that they are wrong. Well if the media has it wrong how the hell do the naysayers gather their selected facts? Cant be tv, radio, newspapers or internet because its all fake news...unless of course you go cherry picking for the articles that suit your way of thinking....I,m educated enough to differentiate between scientific facts and some blokes opinion. . Still at the end of the day ..its whatever helps you sleep at night.
dogbox said
07:24 AM Apr 20, 2022
oldbloke wrote:
I always laugh when someone with no qualifications says all those that have qualifications ,(including the IPCC) that they are wrong or telling lies.
Well, I'm not so gullible that I believe any of those with no qualifications on the subject matter.
again i will mention the name TIM FLANNERY i don.t think he did the climate change movement any favors.
look around you an see how much stuff you have that says, made in CHINA , we could have probably made it in AUSTRALIA but it is so much cheaper to get it from CHINA were there are little or no controls on how they are made or what happens to the byproduct/waste that results in the manufacturing process they where buying our recyclables processing them then sending them back to us . why ? because we won't pay the extra cost of doing it here where the recycling in regulated .
Ipswich in Queensland has a problem with rubbish (landfill) it was cheaper to load b-doubles in NSW and send the rubbish north than it was to pay to dispose of it in NSW some one was making money . there lays the problem we have all these good ideas to combat climate change /pollution but it will cost us. if you want to save the planet stop buying stuff from countries that are causing the the things that may be doing the harm until they have to play by the same rules as we do.
DMaxer said
07:29 AM Apr 20, 2022
I could not agree more, Oldbloke and Dicko1. There is nothing like receiving a stirring lecture from someone who believes that a five minute search on Google equates to years of academic study and research in the specific field. There is also this ingrained belief that only they know which articles are correct, which people to believe and that anyone who does not follow their mantra needs to be criticised.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Wednesday 20th of April 2022 07:30:59 AM
Clarky 1 said
08:11 AM Apr 20, 2022
Rob Driver wrote:
Climate change is a scam to enable the money to be removed from gullible people.
For every scientist claiming this nonsense there are others who offer very valid reasons why it is a scam.
The weather is what it is.
We have had four seasons as defined throughout history. We experience change around the end of each season. Even just today our national forecast indicates that those in the SE of the country are now in for a spell of cold weather. This is not out of the ordinary as this is what happens at the change of our seasons. It is not global warming, it is not the coming of an ice age it is not the start of anything that might be the dream of some unscrupulous types that have devised a way to remove money from the population of the world.
It is THE WEATHER.
Nothing more and nothing less. The weather has been unpredictable since the existence of man. Just because we now have self interested partys that have manipulated and deleted weather figure recordings from our archives to provide skewed information to convince the weak and the gullible, in no way makes their new figures accurate when by their own devious design they have removed and altered the very records that had existed for over 100 years.
It is a shame that well educated people spend a good part of their career on fabricating tales that are only in place as a tool to scare the gullible. It is not that the majority of the non believers dont want a sustainable and healthy planet but more about the effort being wasted on these false claims of global warming and climate change and the demand that we all contribute financially to their impossible target. While the target is continually moved by similar reports to the above we will never achieve anything except making a few people rich, very rich.
Clean up our rubbish, decentralise our population, stop industrial practices that have been proven to be detrimental to our planet stop land clearing and the simple one, plant trees.
This will achieve a healthy planet for all of us and for future generations to come.
An impossible target preached to us from dubious sources will do nothing but line the pockets of a few with disgusting amounts of money and wealth.
In any other situation it would be called theft, misrepresentation and gain by false pretences.
A great post Rob.
It is easy to check how educated anyone one on the committee of the body in the link above that have no qualification whatsoever in climate or any of the real sciences that we should be considering.
Yes most of them come with Tertiary education but have no qualifications apart from their initial diploma.
Do a search and discover the qualifications of the Australian representative who back in the 80s did a degree in finance or something similar. I cant go back there now to quote exactly but it has nothing whatsoever to do with the science of climate.
This person has a list of his achievements withing other links in the original and it appears he has been on and in charge of climate committees for his entire work history.
He has enjoyed employment by fitting comfortably into these committees and all the while without having any qualification in the required science of climate.
In the link above he recommends that Australia pay more money to the UN division for climate control.
Not a bad recommendation from a guy who is not qualified in the field of climate science but has made himself available through employment to provide advice to all Australians to commit to paying more money into a bottomless pit.
For my money I would take more notice of the likes of Rob Driver as what he says actually PASSES THE PUB TEST.
Yes and I am a friend of Rob and Angie but my friendship with them makes no difference between knowing and stating what is right and wrong.
I could go on but I have no more time at the present.
Enjoy a nice sunny day..the weather is generally good today.
dogbox said
08:17 AM Apr 20, 2022
DMaxer wrote:
I could not agree more, Oldbloke and Dicko1. There is nothing like receiving a stirring lecture from someone who believes that a five minute search on Google equates to years of academic study and research in the specific field. There is also this ingrained belief that only they know which articles are correct, which people to believe and that anyone who does not follow their mantra needs to be criticised.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Wednesday 20th of April 2022 07:30:59 AM
that sort of comment can be taken either way , as i don't know where you get your information .
when i was a little boy the talk was that an ice age was coming, now that the we have avoided the ice age we are going to roast. what does that tell me ,it tells me that the experts have change their minds due probably to more information becoming available . i won't be around to see who is using the right information but my kids and grand kids ect ect will be. so if there is some thing that i can do to save the planet i will do it as long as it doesn't send me broke . what is better to be cremated or buried one uses a lot of energy the other takes up space and could produce green house gases ?
The third IPCC report has been released and the summary doesn't look good for humanity:
'Transformational change' needed in all regions and sectors now to mitigate climate change: IPCC
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2022-04-05/ipcc-climate-change-report-mitigation-carbon-emissions-electric/100959560
Here are few highlights:
- the world must cut global greenhouse gas emissions by 45 per cent this decade if we are to have a chance of staying at 1.5 degrees
- "Sales of SUVs, sports utility vehicles, went up 17 per cent. Aviation [went up] 29 per cent.
- "Energy demand for cooling in residential buildings went up 40 per cent."
- the richest 10 per cent of households contribute about 40 per cent of greenhouse gas emissions, while the bottom half contribute less than 15 per cent,
- The cost of renewable energy technology also dropped over the past decade, with solar, wind and batteries now 87 per cent, 55 per cent and 85 per cent cheaper than in 2010,
- to keep temperatures below 2 degrees increase the world must cut back by 2050:
- coal by an estimated 85 per cent
- oil by 30 per cent
- gas by 15 per cent
There's more about what Australia needs to do in the article.
the only thing that will stop us from damaging the planet ,will be to reduce the population . china tried with their one child policy what are we doing ?
if our population keep increasing at its present rate it won't be long before we go the way of a plague of mice , and it won't matter what we do to try an be "green"
the younger generations are the ones that are energy hungry, an want everything now, increasing demand for resources .when i look back an see what has changed in my life time, then wonder about changes my grandkids will experience that i can not even imagine .
how can we blame our government they were elected by us as a majority and if the way people think/feel changes we will have a chance to turf them out in the near future . but i don't think a change of government will make a lot of difference it will cost a lot of money to go green and most of us think thru our wallet and elected people only think as far ahead as the next election
Its inevitable because countries will never agree on climate change.
It all boils down to money, but unfortunately money won't be worth anything when it happens.
As Dogbox said, the far more immediate issue than climate change is population growth. At the current rate of growth the world population grows by about a billion in 12 years. And population growth drives more consumerism, which drives more climate change. Why is nobody talking about this?
It's hard to see any reasonable solution, but I don't envy the younger generation and what changes may come.
As for Australia and our contribution to reducing emissions, we can only make a miniscule difference to world emissions. Natural emissions account for about 97%. Of the remaing 3%, Australia produces a little over 1% of that ..... less than 0.05% of total emissions. If we stopped all emissions overnight it would make negligible difference. We should be focusing on how best to deal with it rather than peeing in the ocean. That's another one nobody talks about ... how we will deal with what climate change brings.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Wednesday 6th of April 2022 10:35:10 PM
Again, whatever we do, we can make virtually no impact. So we should be focusing on how to deal with the impacts of it.
It is not like that.
If we stopped selling coal, the price that others would sell for would increase significantly and that would encourage the buyers to increase their renewable energy.
Alternatively we could all put our heads in the sand and become dinosaurs. The "impacts of it" are not livable, but some simply don't get it.
Cheers,
Peter
Well put Peter, 100% correct.
On the subject of population, yes its a problem but probably manageable, IF WE DO THE RIGHT THING.
WE need to change our thinking, and some of us need to take off our blinkers and take our heads out the sand.
Your children are going to be left with the problem we helped create, but did little about, other than talk about it!
cheers
Ian
i would appear to me that some of the GREEN solutions may not be as green as they sound we went from paper bags (biodegradable natural product ) to throwaway plastic bags ,then to reusable plastic bags that you would have to use 110 times to match a single use one plus all the other plastic products that end up in landfill for 1000 + years or worse floating in the oceans
windmills and solar that create more waste than they might save when they reach end of service, more research is needed
if the focus was on population it would lead to less demand on resources, less pollution, the earth will recover it self if given enough time . one example is Chernobyl (probably not a good example currently) but nature is reclaiming it.
Some things may not be 100% green, at the moment, but they are better than what we are currently doing.
This is a lifestyle change, we all need to open our eyes and take an interest, there lies part of the problem, people absorbed in their own self intersests!
Your kids are going to have to fix it or learn to live with disaster after disaster
And that will come at a huge cost for everyone
Ian
Rose coloured glasses.
The Chenobyl disaster was 1986. 36 years ago and the area is still not safe to live in and won't be for maybe 20,000 years.
The Port Augusta coal powered power station in SA was closed in 2016 after a life of just 31 years. It took 5 years to get rid of the mess. Don't ask where it went or about the damage it did (including marine) while it was there.
My first set of RV solar panels were still operating over 20 years after purchase when I gave them to my son. Solar panels can be largely recycled.
Cheers,
Peter
i just hope that some of the things we do now, (that look good at present), will not cause more /bigger problems for future generations
might have anti glare polarized glasses but definitely not rose coloured glasses
we can close all the coal fired power station we got, i just hope what we replace them with will supply the power we need when we need it
Yes true. You have said that before. But there is a difference between "can" and "are". They can be recycled, but it is not economic to do so, and it takes energy. So they go to landfill.
In Australia there is only 1 small recycler, and they charge for it. Some recycling is done in other countries but they need subsidies to make it viable. No doubt it will happen one day.
Not much in a coal fired power station beyond some scrap steel when its finished.
The coal fired power stations are being closed due to the excess of cheap renewable power. They just can not compete. We doo need extra storage though, especially pumped hydro schemes like Snowy 2.
Cheers,
Peter
you stated it right on ,we must pay for it , an there lays the problem we don't like to pay . we lost our heavy manufacturing to overseas because they could do it cheaper, the greens stopped Tasmania becoming a cheap source of power ,no problem ,but they didn't come up with an alternate to replace it
the closing of power stations may sound good , but will all this renewable energy be there when we need it ?
The detrimental effects of climate change are already happening. You are right though, we've been warned about this since the 1970's but still the countries appear to be only paying lip service.
Yes. Population is the real issue, or more so, the consumerism of the population. If we all lived like some Africans then there'd be enough resources for all and a lot less consumption but how do we control population?
The one child policy in China worked for a while but caused issues when females were killed or abandoned at bird because makes were preferred. Now there's a problem of about ten males to every female, so some females choose the best makes for breeding and then leave the men.
I have three children, none of which have children. I didn't know about the affects of the population on the environment when my children were born. Although, two were unplanned, I wouldn't want to NOT now have them. We can only educate our children that population is the big issue.
Similarly, with our emissions. We can't stop all the climate change as a single country but we can show the rest of the world that we can do something and maybe lead by example.
There are companies that include the cost of afterlife processing, such as recycling, into the price of the product. If we demand that for all goods then that could help.
We thought that using fossil fuels was the right thing to do until we were told in the 70's that it's causing global problems. We are now told by the scientists that other options are better for the environment.
We can only do what we THINK is best and that means listening to the scientists. It may not be the best solution but it is a better solution and hopefully an even better solution will come along. It's the only solution to allow down the destruction that we are causing.
Take petrol for an example. Lead was added to petrol to help engines but then we found out it harms people. Unfortunately the big companies fought to not have it removed but eventually the governments listened to the scientists and it's now banned.
Now we know that petrol itself is again harming the environment. If the governments listen to the scientists to try and replace it's use with something that seems better, then that's the best the governments can do. However, the governments are still being influenced by the few super rich and are not acting quick enough.
Pumped hydro is definitely the best long term solution but it takes a lot of money and time to implement. Meanwhile, batteries and heat sinks are a quicker solution for short term electricity supply in times when renewables are lacking.
We should also be implementing High Voltage Direct Current infrastructure to get the renewable energy from its source to the existing substations for distribution to the where electricity is in demand. Unless, the renewables can be built next to the energy demand. However, I don't think that many people would, currently, like a huge wind turbine in their suburb.
For every scientist claiming this nonsense there are others who offer very valid reasons why it is a scam.
The weather is what it is.
We have had four seasons as defined throughout history.
We experience change around the end of each season.
Even just today our national forecast indicates that those in the SE of the country are now in for a spell of cold weather.
This is not out of the ordinary as this is what happens at the change of our seasons.
It is not global warming, it is not the coming of an ice age it is not the start of anything that might be the dream of some unscrupulous types that have devised a way to remove money from the population of the world.
It is THE WEATHER.
Nothing more and nothing less. The weather has been unpredictable since the existence of man.
Just because we now have self interested partys that have manipulated and deleted weather figure recordings from our archives to provide skewed information to convince the weak and the gullible, in no way makes their new figures accurate when by their own devious design they have removed and altered the very records that had existed for over 100 years.
It is a shame that well educated people spend a good part of their career on fabricating tales that are only in place as a tool to scare the gullible.
It is not that the majority of the non believers dont want a sustainable and healthy planet but more about the effort being wasted on these false claims of global warming and climate change and the demand that we all contribute financially to their impossible target.
While the target is continually moved by similar reports to the above we will never achieve anything except making a few people rich, very rich.
Clean up our rubbish, decentralise our population, stop industrial practices that have been proven to be detrimental to our planet stop land clearing and the simple one, plant trees.
This will achieve a healthy planet for all of us and for future generations to come.
An impossible target preached to us from dubious sources will do nothing but line the pockets of a few with disgusting amounts of money and wealth.
In any other situation it would be called theft, misrepresentation and gain by false pretences.
Excellent post Rob, but unfortunately we are surrounded by gullible people who seem unable to think logically and will believe anything. Unfortunately, a complete generation of youngsters is being brainwashed into believing this rubbish. As you suggest, Climate change is a scam, largely promoted only by those with with a vested interest. You have made some excellent points. Well done. Cheers
Excellent post Rob, but unfortunately we are surrounded by gullible people who seem unable to think logically and will believe anything. Unfortunately, a complete generation of youngsters is being brainwashed into believing this rubbish. As you suggest, Climate change is a scam, largely promoted only by those with with a vested interest. You have made some excellent points. Well done. Cheers
Thank you for the support Yobarr, it is appreciated.
I do note from some other of your comments you are as passionate as me in exposing this international scam for what it is.
I really believe that there is a majority that can see through this profound deception but unfortunately they remain the silent majority.
How some Aussies are getting sucked into this nonsense has me beat. I really thought that collectively we were smarter than that.
Our grandchildren will be reduced to the lowest of living standards because of the inaction of those who wont stand up to these miscreants who are promoting this in Australia. Those, such as the likes of the author in the link will have us all begging for our existence while their greed is satisfied and supported by the gullible.
All we can do is keep repeating the truth and hope that it does get through to others.
I always laugh when someone with no qualifications says all those that have qualifications ,(including the IPCC) that they are wrong or telling lies.
Well, I'm not so gullible that I believe any of those with no qualifications on the subject matter.
Like you I just shake my head at how the totally unqualified try and tell us that thousands of highly educated experienced scientists and researchers are wrong about their facts. One argument they use is that we believe the media and that they are wrong. Well if the media has it wrong how the hell do the naysayers gather their selected facts? Cant be tv, radio, newspapers or internet because its all fake news...unless of course you go cherry picking for the articles that suit your way of thinking....I,m educated enough to differentiate between scientific facts and some blokes opinion. . Still at the end of the day ..its whatever helps you sleep at night.
again i will mention the name TIM FLANNERY i don.t think he did the climate change movement any favors.
look around you an see how much stuff you have that says, made in CHINA , we could have probably made it in AUSTRALIA but it is so much cheaper to get it from CHINA were there are little or no controls on how they are made or what happens to the byproduct/waste that results in the manufacturing process
they where buying our recyclables processing them then sending them back to us . why ? because we won't pay the extra cost of doing it here where the recycling in regulated .
Ipswich in Queensland has a problem with rubbish (landfill) it was cheaper to load b-doubles in NSW and send the rubbish north than it was to pay to dispose of it in NSW some one was making money . there lays the problem we have all these good ideas to combat climate change /pollution but it will cost us. if you want to save the planet stop buying stuff from countries that are causing the the things that may be doing the harm until they have to play by the same rules as we do.
I could not agree more, Oldbloke and Dicko1. There is nothing like receiving a stirring lecture from someone who believes that a five minute search on Google equates to years of academic study and research in the specific field. There is also this ingrained belief that only they know which articles are correct, which people to believe and that anyone who does not follow their mantra needs to be criticised.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Wednesday 20th of April 2022 07:30:59 AM
A great post Rob.
It is easy to check how educated anyone one on the committee of the body in the link above that have no qualification whatsoever in climate or any of the real sciences that we should be considering.
Yes most of them come with Tertiary education but have no qualifications apart from their initial diploma.
Do a search and discover the qualifications of the Australian representative who back in the 80s did a degree in finance or something similar. I cant go back there now to quote exactly but it has nothing whatsoever to do with the science of climate.
This person has a list of his achievements withing other links in the original and it appears he has been on and in charge of climate committees for his entire work history.
He has enjoyed employment by fitting comfortably into these committees and all the while without having any qualification in the required science of climate.
In the link above he recommends that Australia pay more money to the UN division for climate control.
Not a bad recommendation from a guy who is not qualified in the field of climate science but has made himself available through employment to provide advice to all Australians to commit to paying more money into a bottomless pit.
For my money I would take more notice of the likes of Rob Driver as what he says actually PASSES THE PUB TEST.
Yes and I am a friend of Rob and Angie but my friendship with them makes no difference between knowing and stating what is right and wrong.
I could go on but I have no more time at the present.
Enjoy a nice sunny day..the weather is generally good today.
that sort of comment can be taken either way , as i don't know where you get your information .
when i was a little boy the talk was that an ice age was coming, now that the we have avoided the ice age we are going to roast. what does that tell me ,it tells me that the experts have change their minds due probably to more information becoming available . i won't be around to see who is using the right information but my kids and grand kids ect ect will be. so if there is some thing that i can do to save the planet i will do it as long as it doesn't send me broke .
what is better to be cremated or buried one uses a lot of energy the other takes up space and could produce green house gases ?