Please someone tell me that we dont have cars driving on Australian roads on auto pilot let alone while under the control of P plate drivers.
I have seen statistics that driverless vehicles are involved in less accidents than driven ones. In any case the vehicle has not had an opportunity to defend itself in court.
Let's wait for the car's logs to be examined, assuming Australian law permits such logs to be recorded.
Edit:
We had an interesting discussion on this subject in this thread:
Please someone tell me that we dont have cars driving on Australian roads on auto pilot let alone while under the control of P plate drivers.
I have seen statistics that driverless vehicles are involved in less accidents than driven ones. In any case the vehicle has not had an opportunity to defend itself in court.
Let's wait for the car's logs to be examined, assuming Australian law permits such logs to be recorded.
Edit:
We had an interesting discussion on this subject in this thread:
-- Edited by dorian on Wednesday 23rd of March 2022 09:37:54 AM
I said this in that post;
Electric cars are one thing and we all may argue for and against if we want, but to try to build a car that will drive itself without the final decision of human input is, at least for the present moment, just downright stupidity.
I wouldnt be waiting for anything to be available.
The fact is that there is another human being lying close to death in hospital, as what may be a direct cause of this ridiculous new technology.
What is wrong with CORRECT AND THOROUGH Driver Training rather than encouraging a P Plater to rely on unproven technology which is blindly fitted to a vehicle and then blindly approved by our countrys ADR vehicle authority.
Once again another example of rushing into new technology without any real thought being applied to what may happen in real life.
-- Edited by Rob Driver on Wednesday 23rd of March 2022 09:50:52 AM
Peter_n_Margaret said
11:12 AM Mar 23, 2022
Is this yet another case of rushing into approval of new technology??
What makes you think it is approved?
Cheers,
Peter
dorian said
12:01 PM Mar 23, 2022
This is just another baseless rant. According to Wikipedia, after autopilots were fitted to Teslas, the accident rate dropped by 40%. Autonomous vehicles have been subjected to millions of kilometres of testing on public roads over many years. There is nothing "blind" about the authorities in their acceptance of this technology.
As for the following claim which you made previously, the human being always has the final decision whenever an autopilot is fitted. It's only when the vehicle is truly driverless that there is no human input, although even in this case there can be some kind of remote control for fleet vehicles.
"Electric cars are one thing and we all may argue for and against if we want, but to try to build a car that will drive itself without the final decision of human input is, at least for the present moment, just downright stupidity."
It remains to be seen whether the accident that is currently in the news was due to driver inattention rather than a failure of the autopilot. People lie, autopilots don't.
In any case, Wiklipedia claims that there is very wide acceptance of self-driving vehicles.
I would argue, as I did in that other thread, that you may face an ethical dilemma if you were to be involved in a fatal accident that could have been avoided by an autopilot with a faster reaction time and a better comprehension of the circumstances. I know that there are many occasions when I have failed to see a motorcyclist, and there was one occasion where I was almost killed by a truck driver who failed to see me in his mirrors.
Are We Lost said
01:11 PM Mar 23, 2022
Modern everyday cars are getting closer to autonomous.
Think about the features that are now being included with many new models:
The GPS knows where to go.
The inbuilt cameras can read speed signs and warn if you exceed the limit (roadworks for example)
Sensors detect if you start to drift towards another lane. Mine applies gentle torque to the steering to get you back on track. Some actively steer unless you resist it
If you attempt to change lanes (indicator on) and there is a vehicle there it will warn
Headlights come on automatically and change between high and low beam as needed
Windscreen wipers activate if a few drops of rain appear on the windscreen
When in traffic, if you get too close to the car in front it will sound an alarm
With adaptive cruise control activated it will keep a safe distance behind vehicles, braking as needed
With an imminent collision detected and brakes already applied, the Emergency Braking system takes over to maximise the stopping
When parking, sensors detect if there is something in front or behind and warn
When reversing from a parallel park, sensors will warn if a vehicle is approaching
Some models pretension the seat belts and preload the brakes for faster emergency stop if a potential collision is detected We have had ABS braking for years. Stability control is becoming a standard feature
It would only take minor tweaks to make these features more autonomous, rather than aids. Where the technology is not yet there is the ability to maintain position if there are no lane markers. Otherwise, they are already close to being driverless capable.
Like the change to horseless carriages, it's just a matter of time before these vehicles become mainstream. Continuing development will improve the technology. In a future time, maybe we will be getting in and sitting down like we do as bus and train passengers.
Whoever would have thought that we would be getting things delivered by drone. But it's happening.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Wednesday 23rd of March 2022 01:13:20 PM
Derek Barnes said
02:28 PM Mar 23, 2022
Are We Lost wrote:
Whoever would have thought that we would be getting things delivered by drone. But it's happening.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Wednesday 23rd of March 2022 01:13:20 PM
Yes. We had a trial of it in a southern suburb of Canberra. Everyone hated them, the noise, the terror caused to pets, the danger of such large drones... So they cancelled the trial.
Corndoggy said
08:28 PM Mar 23, 2022
Did the automation of the car drive off, not stopping after hitting someone and then the driver had to be taken back to the scene by someone else. Sorry something stinks like fish left in the sun. Thorough investigation needed into this. Seems a way to easy out blaming the automation. And why the (you know what) was it on auto driving through busy city streets. Moron girl should not have a licence.
Bicyclecamper said
09:59 PM Mar 23, 2022
I am looking forward to a self driving car, go 4wding, sit in the back, get to destination, lifted out of car, put in all electric caravan, A/C on, theatre movie on remote drink in hand. I am .looking forward to that.
dabbler said
11:32 PM Mar 23, 2022
Tesla auto-pilot in Australia is little more than adaptive cruise control subject to lane control. These features are found in many vehicles now and legally available to everyone that holds any form driving licence in Australia. It isn't autonomous self-driving and autonomous self-driving isn't permitted under law as yet. Blame the inexperienced driver, not the vehicle, and be thankful they weren't behind the wheel of a Dodge Ram or similar.
dorian said
04:46 AM Mar 24, 2022
I found this web site, but the last publication dates back to 2020:
Did the automation of the car drive off, not stopping after hitting someone and then the driver had to be taken back to the scene by someone else. Sorry something stinks like fish left in the sun. Thorough investigation needed into this. Seems a way to easy out blaming the automation. And why the (you know what) was it on auto driving through busy city streets.
In this day and age when one is in a road accident of ones own making, that can result in being on the wrong side of the law, the first thing to do is if you are physically able to, is promptly exit the scene. This will achieve three things.
1) If you happen to be affected by alcohol, or any other prohibited substance, providing the law does not catch up with you first, do not give yourself up until at least 24hrs. This will make it difficult for law enforcement to prove that you were over the limit.
2) The next thing to do is to determine where you will attach blame. There are several avenues available to achieve this.
"It was the auto pilot your honour" "I had a momentary blackout" "She walked out in front of me" The one that will surely convince the beak, "I didn't see the tram"
If you have deep pockets, (very deep) engage a mouthpiece who will convince everyone that you suffer from some mental problem and was not totally "with it" at the time.
It appears to this old bloke that very few people these days are willing to accept responsibilty for their actions. The first thought is, "How can I get out of this?"
There can surely be no excuse for leaving the scene of an accident when someone is badly injured. We can only hope that the person will recover.
To sum up, the day that this little black duck would sit in a car without having full control ain't never going to happen folks! I would be a nervous wreck.
peter67 said
11:34 AM Mar 24, 2022
Well put Magnarc.
Aus-Kiwi said
11:04 AM Mar 25, 2022
A few years ago I was called to accident on Pennant hills / Duffy road outside service station . A Volvo run up the back of truck then onto one of our street light poles . The Volvo driver said he was relying on the car stopping behind the truck ! Said he used it all the time ! Well ? Atleast he was driving the correct car . Lol we couldnt believe our ears !! My bro in Chicago did a lot of programming for GPS etc over 20 years ago .
Plain Truth said
04:52 PM Mar 25, 2022
Are they also programmed to leave the scene of an accident?
Aus-Kiwi said
10:26 AM Mar 26, 2022
Some accidents are from
Crazed ice addicts etc . Grouping them all together is not true statistics ! Some idiots treat them as driverless ! Just dumb !
Phlipper said
06:48 PM Mar 30, 2022
hmmmmm...... If my vehicle GPS is any indication that things can go terribly awry sometimes, then auto pilot has a long way to go before I'd trust it
A Tesla on autopilot. WTF. ??
https://7news.com.au/news/car-accidents-melbourne/melbourne-woman-fighting-for-life-after-being-struck-by-car-in-hit-run-as-she-boarded-a-tram-in-armadale-c-6156671
Please someone tell me that we dont have cars driving on Australian roads on auto pilot let alone while under the control of P plate drivers.
I have seen statistics that driverless vehicles are involved in less accidents than driven ones. In any case the vehicle has not had an opportunity to defend itself in court.
Let's wait for the car's logs to be examined, assuming Australian law permits such logs to be recorded.
Edit:
We had an interesting discussion on this subject in this thread:
https://thegreynomads.activeboard.com/t67533233/tesla-crashes-no-driver-4-hours-to-put-out-flames/
-- Edited by dorian on Wednesday 23rd of March 2022 09:37:54 AM
I said this in that post;
Electric cars are one thing and we all may argue for and against if we want, but to try to build a car that will drive itself without the final decision of human input is, at least for the present moment, just downright stupidity.
I wouldnt be waiting for anything to be available.
The fact is that there is another human being lying close to death in hospital, as what may be a direct cause of this ridiculous new technology.
What is wrong with CORRECT AND THOROUGH Driver Training rather than encouraging a P Plater to rely on unproven technology which is blindly fitted to a vehicle and then blindly approved by our countrys ADR vehicle authority.
Once again another example of rushing into new technology without any real thought being applied to what may happen in real life.
-- Edited by Rob Driver on Wednesday 23rd of March 2022 09:50:52 AM
What makes you think it is approved?
Cheers,
Peter
This is just another baseless rant. According to Wikipedia, after autopilots were fitted to Teslas, the accident rate dropped by 40%. Autonomous vehicles have been subjected to millions of kilometres of testing on public roads over many years. There is nothing "blind" about the authorities in their acceptance of this technology.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/19/14326258/teslas-crash-rate-dropped-40-percent-after-autopilot-was-installed-feds-say
As for the following claim which you made previously, the human being always has the final decision whenever an autopilot is fitted. It's only when the vehicle is truly driverless that there is no human input, although even in this case there can be some kind of remote control for fleet vehicles.
"Electric cars are one thing and we all may argue for and against if we want, but to try to build a car that will drive itself without the final decision of human input is, at least for the present moment, just downright stupidity."
It remains to be seen whether the accident that is currently in the news was due to driver inattention rather than a failure of the autopilot. People lie, autopilots don't.
In any case, Wiklipedia claims that there is very wide acceptance of self-driving vehicles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-driving_car#Public_opinion_surveys
I would argue, as I did in that other thread, that you may face an ethical dilemma if you were to be involved in a fatal accident that could have been avoided by an autopilot with a faster reaction time and a better comprehension of the circumstances. I know that there are many occasions when I have failed to see a motorcyclist, and there was one occasion where I was almost killed by a truck driver who failed to see me in his mirrors.
Modern everyday cars are getting closer to autonomous.
Think about the features that are now being included with many new models:
Some models pretension the seat belts and preload the brakes for faster emergency stop if a potential collision is detected
We have had ABS braking for years. Stability control is becoming a standard feature
It would only take minor tweaks to make these features more autonomous, rather than aids. Where the technology is not yet there is the ability to maintain position if there are no lane markers. Otherwise, they are already close to being driverless capable.
Like the change to horseless carriages, it's just a matter of time before these vehicles become mainstream. Continuing development will improve the technology. In a future time, maybe we will be getting in and sitting down like we do as bus and train passengers.
Whoever would have thought that we would be getting things delivered by drone. But it's happening.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Wednesday 23rd of March 2022 01:13:20 PM
Yes. We had a trial of it in a southern suburb of Canberra. Everyone hated them, the noise, the terror caused to pets, the danger of such large drones... So they cancelled the trial.
I found this web site, but the last publication dates back to 2020:
https://www.ntc.gov.au/transport-reform/automated-vehicle-program
National enforcement guidelines for automated vehicles:
https://www.ntc.gov.au/sites/default/files/assets/files/AV_enforcement_guidelines.pdf
Corndoggy wrote,
Did the automation of the car drive off, not stopping after hitting someone and then the driver had to be taken back to the scene by someone else. Sorry something stinks like fish left in the sun. Thorough investigation needed into this. Seems a way to easy out blaming the automation. And why the (you know what) was it on auto driving through busy city streets.
In this day and age when one is in a road accident of ones own making, that can result in being on the wrong side of the law, the first thing to do is if you are physically able to, is promptly exit the scene. This will achieve three things.
1) If you happen to be affected by alcohol, or any other prohibited substance, providing the law does not catch up with you first, do not give yourself up until at least 24hrs. This will make it difficult for law enforcement to prove that you were over the limit.
2) The next thing to do is to determine where you will attach blame. There are several avenues available to achieve this.
"It was the auto pilot your honour" "I had a momentary blackout" "She walked out in front of me" The one that will surely convince the beak, "I didn't see the tram"
If you have deep pockets, (very deep) engage a mouthpiece who will convince everyone that you suffer from some mental problem and was not totally "with it" at the time.
It appears to this old bloke that very few people these days are willing to accept responsibilty for their actions. The first thought is, "How can I get out of this?"
There can surely be no excuse for leaving the scene of an accident when someone is badly injured. We can only hope that the person will recover.
To sum up, the day that this little black duck would sit in a car without having full control ain't never going to happen folks! I would be a nervous wreck.
Are they also programmed to leave the scene of an accident?
Crazed ice addicts etc . Grouping them all together is not true statistics ! Some idiots treat them as driverless ! Just dumb !