Without accompanying information on variant, the table presented doesn't reflect the complete story. The differences in infection rate, transmissibility, mortality, prevalence of asymptotic infection etc are quite different between Delta and Omicron let alone the many other variants present in the UK (some of which we haven't seen).
Nice set of figures that you've posted there, would you like to enlighten us as to their significance?
dorian said
10:27 AM Mar 7, 2022
Page 4 of the report:
"Based on antibody testing of blood donors, 99.1% of the adult population have antibodies to COVID-19 from either infection or vaccination compared to 28.6% that have antibodies from infection alone."
My take on this is that every Brit has either natural or vaccine induced immunity to COVID-19. Therefore one should expect no difference in hospitalisation rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals ??? What am I missing?
Whenarewethere said
10:29 AM Mar 7, 2022
Eventually found a doctor that will allow me to get a different vaccine for the second dose, so on a waiting list for a jab when they have a cancellation. Tinnitus which I have never had, which I got a few days after Astrazeneca, is not recognised as an adverse reaction.
As far as I am concerned an 8.1kHz continuous monotone every waking hour is an adverse reaction. It has not got any better.
I am the one who has to live with it, not the TGA, bag of A holes.
dorian said
10:33 AM Mar 7, 2022
Whenarewethere wrote:
Eventually found a doctor that will allow me to get a different vaccine for the second dose, so on a waiting list for a jab when they have a cancellation.
Singapore's stats indicate that Moderna's vaccine provides the best protection against death from COVID-19, even better than Pfizer. Get that one if you can.
Whenarewethere said
10:44 AM Mar 7, 2022
I am happy with anything, but it's been a long haul, so will go with Pfizer.
So when done I will aim for the remaining ones.
I feel very sorry for the people who don't have the funds for the Medicare gap fees.
Brodie Allen said
01:58 PM Mar 7, 2022
Whenarewethere wrote:
I am happy with anything, but it's been a long haul, so will go with Pfizer.
So when done I will aim for the remaining ones.
I feel very sorry for the people who don't have the funds for the Medicare gap fees.
Seems plain as day to me - look at the over 80's for example.
triple vaccinations seems to me to have increased the admission
numbers by a factor of about 10!!
dorian said
02:36 PM Mar 7, 2022
Brodie Allen wrote:
Seems plain as day to me - look at the over 80's for example.
triple vaccinations seems to me to have increased the admission
numbers by a factor of about 10!!
You have no understanding of statistics or simple arithmetic.
The report (page 19) states that the triple vaccination rate for over 80s in September 2021 was in excess of 90%. The number of unvaccinated people in this age group was about 5%. This means that there were relatively few double and single vaxxed people in that age bracket, ie less than 5%. Therefore the ratio between triple-vaxxed and partially vaxxed people would be about 19:1 (95% : 5%).
Whenarewethere said
03:59 PM Mar 7, 2022
The older I am, it increases the odds of me being turned into fertilizer, one way or another!
I once had a lengthy technical chat with arborists, quote: 'Make sure bodies are frozen before feeding into wood chipper otherwise they clog the machine, if frozen cold enough then it is easy to spread fertilizer.'
One learns something every day!
dorian said
07:40 AM Mar 8, 2022
I have tabulated the hospital statistics in an attempt to determine how the hospital admission rate compares with the vaccine coverage in the community. The last two columns compare the percentage of hospital patients who have received at least one dose of the vaccine against the percentage of the population with at least one dose. It would seem that there is an 7% lower admission rate for vaccinated patients in the over 50s category, but below the age of 50 there appears to be no difference. At first thought this would suggest that the vaccine is little better than a placebo. However, the fact that the entire population now carries antibodies to COVID-19 means that even the unvaccinated patients have natural immunity. The implication, as I see it, is that natural selection has already killed those antivaxxers who were susceptible. This is not to say that the current crop of antivaxxers will be protected against future variants. I would expect that they would once again become disproportionately vulnerable if they were to refuse new vaccines designed for new variants.
Age range Total Unvaxxed at least % with % population
patients patients one dose at least with at least
one dose one dose
-----------------------------------------------------------------
under 18 1331 1132 199 15.0 ??
18 to 29 679 197 482 71.0 68
30 to 39 778 211 567 72.9 72
40 to 49 663 139 524 79.0 80
50 to 59 781 141 640 81.9 88
60 to 69 1001 157 844 84.3 92
70 to 79 1537 172 1365 88.8 94
80 or over 2539 192 2347 92.4 95
-- Edited by dorian on Tuesday 8th of March 2022 01:18:27 PM
Interesting figures on the number of people admitted to hospital with covid.
Check it for yourself
.
This is the full report:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1057599/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week-8.pdf
Page 4 of the report:
"Based on antibody testing of blood donors, 99.1% of the adult population have antibodies to COVID-19 from either infection or vaccination compared to 28.6% that have antibodies from infection alone."
My take on this is that every Brit has either natural or vaccine induced immunity to COVID-19. Therefore one should expect no difference in hospitalisation rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals ??? What am I missing?
Eventually found a doctor that will allow me to get a different vaccine for the second dose, so on a waiting list for a jab when they have a cancellation. Tinnitus which I have never had, which I got a few days after Astrazeneca, is not recognised as an adverse reaction.
As far as I am concerned an 8.1kHz continuous monotone every waking hour is an adverse reaction. It has not got any better.
I am the one who has to live with it, not the TGA, bag of A holes.
Singapore's stats indicate that Moderna's vaccine provides the best protection against death from COVID-19, even better than Pfizer. Get that one if you can.
I am happy with anything, but it's been a long haul, so will go with Pfizer.
So when done I will aim for the remaining ones.
I feel very sorry for the people who don't have the funds for the Medicare gap fees.
Seems plain as day to me - look at the over 80's for example.
triple vaccinations seems to me to have increased the admission
numbers by a factor of about 10!!
You have no understanding of statistics or simple arithmetic.
The report (page 19) states that the triple vaccination rate for over 80s in September 2021 was in excess of 90%. The number of unvaccinated people in this age group was about 5%. This means that there were relatively few double and single vaxxed people in that age bracket, ie less than 5%. Therefore the ratio between triple-vaxxed and partially vaxxed people would be about 19:1 (95% : 5%).
The older I am, it increases the odds of me being turned into fertilizer, one way or another!
I once had a lengthy technical chat with arborists, quote: 'Make sure bodies are frozen before feeding into wood chipper otherwise they clog the machine, if frozen cold enough then it is easy to spread fertilizer.'
One learns something every day!
I have tabulated the hospital statistics in an attempt to determine how the hospital admission rate compares with the vaccine coverage in the community. The last two columns compare the percentage of hospital patients who have received at least one dose of the vaccine against the percentage of the population with at least one dose. It would seem that there is an 7% lower admission rate for vaccinated patients in the over 50s category, but below the age of 50 there appears to be no difference. At first thought this would suggest that the vaccine is little better than a placebo. However, the fact that the entire population now carries antibodies to COVID-19 means that even the unvaccinated patients have natural immunity. The implication, as I see it, is that natural selection has already killed those antivaxxers who were susceptible. This is not to say that the current crop of antivaxxers will be protected against future variants. I would expect that they would once again become disproportionately vulnerable if they were to refuse new vaccines designed for new variants.
Age range Total Unvaxxed at least % with % population patients patients one dose at least with at least one dose one dose ----------------------------------------------------------------- under 18 1331 1132 199 15.0 ?? 18 to 29 679 197 482 71.0 68 30 to 39 778 211 567 72.9 72 40 to 49 663 139 524 79.0 80 50 to 59 781 141 640 81.9 88 60 to 69 1001 157 844 84.3 92 70 to 79 1537 172 1365 88.8 94 80 or over 2539 192 2347 92.4 95-- Edited by dorian on Tuesday 8th of March 2022 01:18:27 PM