WDH's and weighing vans-Help provided for newbie's
oldbloke said
03:44 PM Feb 28, 2022
Hi Everyone,
There have been a few threads here about WDH's and the weighing of vans.Unfortunately I've come to the conclusion that many newbie's are still confused.Perhaps this is the result of well meaning members providing misleading or confusing info.Perhaps copied off the www without any thought.As we all know WDH's are great and have been on the vanning scene for many years now,perhaps as early as the 1960's.There are a few brands out there,and often rated for differing towball loads.So you need to select the correct one.They are certainly a lot cheaper than upgrades and best of all transferable form one tug to another.There are a couple of minor disadvantages but overall they are a great addition to your tug and van.Anyway I digress. It is,for newbies. a bit to get your head around given the jargon.So I thought I would post these files again.I have attached an excel spread sheet (not my work) and a PDF of a doc I wrote a few weeks ago.Since I last posted it I have had it peer reviewed by an Xspert and conformed that it is correct.I just clarified the definitions a tiny bit to ensure simplicity and clarification of the document.To be honest I think all most will need is the document I wrote with the set of tables and definitions.Feel free to skip past this post if you don't like it or adjust your puter if you have difficulty reading it.Also feel free to download,use & pass these files on to anyone who needs them.Cheers:)OB
Easy to understand info mate. Sure someone will knock them though.
Radar said
08:12 PM Feb 28, 2022
I am not going to knock but if you carry on like that other bloke who can not you the space bar, I am not going to read your post.
That is crap behaviour oldbloke.
oldbloke said
08:26 PM Feb 28, 2022
Hi Doug,Thankyou for your kind words.its obvious that you have a good understanding of the regulations regarding caravan masses.As always I just try to assist our members to the best of my abilities.I just wish I could do more.Unfortunately I will be very busy tomorrow helping a companies employees to stay safe from from injury, diseases and death.But I digress.So I don't think I will get back to this thread for a day or two.But, if by some miracle I get a spare thirty minutes or so I will.One thing I should mention.TBW, like all weight does not change.(Just like if your too fat you are still too fat the following day)This is because gravity is always with us.(except on the moon which is much less than on earth just in case you were not aware) Again I digress.Stay safe,weigh your van and get it right or you will surely die. :)OB.
oldbloke said
08:43 PM Feb 28, 2022
Radar wrote:
I am not going to knock but if you carry on like that other bloke who can not you the space bar, I am not going to read your post.
That is crap behaviour oldbloke.
"bloke who can not you the" I think you mean refuses to use the space bar.
Radar,I'm sorry to hear that you are having difficulty reading my post. I apologise.Can I, with respect suggest you ignore my post or check your puter settings. Because it looks fine to me.
I must go now because I have a big day tomorrow keeping workers alive.
yobarr said
11:00 PM Feb 28, 2022
oldbloke wrote:
Hi Everyone,
There have been a few threads here about WDH's and the weighing of vans.Unfortunately I've come to the conclusion that many newbie's are still confused.
For someone who waffles on about my supposed misuse of commas,full stops and paragraphs etc, you display a disturbing inability to understand the use of same. The correct way to use the highlighted words, in this context, is "newbies" (no apostrophe,which would denote ownership,but in this case,nothing belongs to the newbie) still are confused. But don't give up,as you no doubt provide amusement to those of us who can correctly speak and write the English language. Cheers
P.S When I have time to spare, I will respond to the rest of your post. Cheers.
yobarr said
11:05 PM Feb 28, 2022
oldbloke wrote:
Hi Doug,Thankyou for your kind words.its obvious that you have a good understanding of the regulations regarding caravan masses.As always I just try to assist our members to the best of my abilities.I just wish I could do more.Unfortunately I will be very busy tomorrow helping a companies employees to stay safe from from injury, diseases and death.But I digress.So I don't think I will get back to this thread for a day or two.But, if by some miracle I get a spare thirty minutes or so I will.One thing I should mention.TBW, like all weight does not change.(Just like if your too fat you are still too fat the following day)This is because gravity is always with us.(except on the moon which is much less than on earth just in case you were not aware) Again I digress.Stay safe,weigh your van and get it right or you will surely die. :)OB.
" Perhaps you mean "company's employees?" And you happily criticise my grammar, which is correct. Cheerd
yobarr said
11:07 PM Feb 28, 2022
Radar wrote:
I am not going to knock but if you carry on like that other bloke who can not you the space bar, I am not going to read your post.
That is crap behaviour oldbloke.
Thanks,Ralph,for your support. "Pot calling the kettle black" comes to mind. Cheers
Rob Driver said
09:44 AM Mar 1, 2022
yobarr wrote:
Radar wrote:
I am not going to knock but if you carry on like that other bloke who can not you the space bar, I am not going to read your post.
That is crap behaviour oldbloke.
Thanks,Ralph,for your support. "Pot calling the kettle black" comes to mind. Cheers
That should have gone into the jokes sub forum.
Rob Driver said
09:51 AM Mar 1, 2022
Hi oldbloke,
Well done,
You can not make it any more simple and easy to follow.
Now we will all wait until some *know it all* picks it apart.
Maybe I should have said *knowitall.*
oldbloke said
10:20 AM Mar 1, 2022
yobarr wrote:
oldbloke wrote:
Hi Doug,Thankyou for your kind words.its obvious that you have a good understanding of the regulations regarding caravan masses.As always I just try to assist our members to the best of my abilities.I just wish I could do more.Unfortunately I will be very busy tomorrow helping a companies employees to stay safe from from injury, diseases and death.But I digress.So I don't think I will get back to this thread for a day or two.But, if by some miracle I get a spare thirty minutes or so I will.One thing I should mention.TBW, like all weight does not change.(Just like if your too fat you are still too fat the following day)This is because gravity is always with us.(except on the moon which is much less than on earth just in case you were not aware) Again I digress.Stay safe,weigh your van and get it right or you will surely die. :)OB.
" Perhaps you mean "company's employees?" And you happily criticise my grammar, which is correct. Cheerd
I think you mean "Cheers"
Cheers :) OB
Rob Driver said
10:27 AM Mar 1, 2022
Hi oldbloke,
I hope you dont mind but I linked your excellent check sheet in another topic on caravan safety here.
You can not make it any more simple and easy to follow.
Now we will all wait until some *know it all* picks it apart.
Maybe I should have said *knowitall.*
Hi Rob,
I have managed to find fifteen minutes in my busy schedule to reply to your post.Its certainly hard work preventing injuries, preventing workplace related diseases and deaths.But once again I digress.My apologies.Thanks for your support.It's obvious that you have a very high level of understanding of the physics related to towing.Not many do.The document has been designed for just that purpose.KISS.I feel privileged to be able to help so many members.Must go now,incredibly busy.Come to think of it I might donate my earnings to a worthwhile charity.Cheers:)OB
Dougwe said
10:50 AM Mar 1, 2022
yobarr said
11:12 AM Mar 1, 2022
Rob Driver wrote:
Hi oldbloke,
Well done,
You can not make it any more simple and easy to follow.
Now we will all wait until some *know it all* picks it apart.
Maybe I should have said *knowitall.*
Hi Rob. Probably I will not even bother,although I have spotted errors. However,it is apparent that, to some people, ignorance is bliss, so I'll let it go for now. Slowly the OP is learning though, which he could be given credit for, and I'm sure that his files will be of some help to newbies? (No apostrophe) Cheers
Rob Driver said
11:22 AM Mar 1, 2022
oldbloke wrote:
Rob Driver wrote:
Hi oldbloke,
Well done,
You can not make it any more simple and easy to follow.
Now we will all wait until some *know it all* picks it apart.
Maybe I should have said *knowitall.*
Hi Rob,
I have managed to find fifteen minutes in my busy schedule to reply to your post.Its certainly hard work preventing injuries, preventing workplace related diseases and deaths.But once again I digress.My apologies.Thanks for your support.It's obvious that you have a very high level of understanding of the physics related to towing.Not many do.The document has been designed for just that purpose.KISS.I feel privileged to be able to help so many members.Must go now,incredibly busy.Come to think of it I might donate my earnings to a worthwhile charity.Cheers:)OB
Thank you for your time oldbloke.
I am pleased you didnt have to drag yourself out of the seat of a prime mover towing a triple combination loaded with gold no less. just to comment on a caravanners forum.
No No No, not that forum, this forum
I am so pleased you dont assume that everyone towing a caravan or trailer has a unit that automatically weighs 3500kg
I also find it pleasant that you realise that we dont all have to dispose of our less than adequate vehicles ( not yours or my opinion) and replace them with the mandatory 70 + series Toyota ute of which has been quoted on many platforms to be the worst vehicle for comfort and value for money, available in Australia.
KISS, although it is written in capitals and without punctuation and spacing is the way to offer a check list which should be able to be understood by all.
Anyway I have to go now, I am out on the highway today waving at all the truckies going by. I love it when I do that bent right arm action and they return the gesture by blowing tha air horn.
All this while sitting in my very smooth riding 200 series unhooked from the van and for that matter, unhooked from the rest of the world while I quietly wait for the next truck and have trucking music playing softly in the background.
It cant get any better than this.
oldbloke said
12:07 PM Mar 1, 2022
Rob Driver wrote:
Hi oldbloke,
Well done,
You can not make it any more simple and easy to follow.
Now we will all wait until some *know it all* picks it apart.
Maybe I should have said *knowitall.*
I think you meant Xspert.Cheers:)OB Sorry it goes with the job.
Ivan 01 said
10:36 AM Mar 2, 2022
Gday Oldbloke,
Your KISS check sheet is a great tool for any new caravanner to use to assess the safety and compliance of his van and car.
I have read and then re read and then read again, this whole topic so far, and my observation is that at this stage there is only one contributor that needs a really good rub of the Testosterone Crème from the other topic.
I love the humour of Rob D and yourself and Dougs kettle is is certainly dominating that scene.
Keep up the good work
oldbloke said
01:32 PM Mar 2, 2022
Thanks Ivan, Your comments are appreciated. My background includes writing procedures so I could see a real need. I'm a strong believer in ensuring they are easy to understand. Complexity just ensures confusion and errors. Hence its fairly easy to follow.
I'm sick and tired of people claiming to assist members but really just interested in boasting and agrivating members. I note that once again there is a claim that the procedure has an error. BUT importantly that individual has again NOT provided: 1. What is wrong. 2. Or how to correct the error. 3. In the past that individual has had ample opportunity to provide a procedure but did nothing. So much for helping.
Members will draw their own conclusions. At least I have done something positive.
I'm just glad it will be used to help all vanners to maintain compliance, resulting in safer towing.
OB Cheers :)
-- Edited by oldbloke on Wednesday 2nd of March 2022 01:40:38 PM
Webmaster said
10:32 PM Mar 2, 2022
Hi all, Please keep comments focused on the topic rather than on the person who posted it. Thanks.
Hi Everyone,
There have been a few threads here about WDH's and the weighing of vans.Unfortunately I've come to the conclusion that many newbie's are still confused.Perhaps this is the result of well meaning members providing misleading or confusing info.Perhaps copied off the www without any thought.As we all know WDH's are great and have been on the vanning scene for many years now,perhaps as early as the 1960's.There are a few brands out there,and often rated for differing towball loads.So you need to select the correct one.They are certainly a lot cheaper than upgrades and best of all transferable form one tug to another.There are a couple of minor disadvantages but overall they are a great addition to your tug and van.Anyway I digress. It is,for newbies. a bit to get your head around given the jargon.So I thought I would post these files again.I have attached an excel spread sheet (not my work) and a PDF of a doc I wrote a few weeks ago.Since I last posted it I have had it peer reviewed by an Xspert and conformed that it is correct.I just clarified the definitions a tiny bit to ensure simplicity and clarification of the document.To be honest I think all most will need is the document I wrote with the set of tables and definitions.Feel free to skip past this post if you don't like it or adjust your puter if you have difficulty reading it.Also feel free to download,use & pass these files on to anyone who needs them.Cheers:)OB
I am not going to knock but if you carry on like that other bloke who can not you the space bar, I am not going to read your post.
That is crap behaviour oldbloke.
"bloke who can not you the" I think you mean refuses to use the space bar.
Radar,I'm sorry to hear that you are having difficulty reading my post. I apologise.Can I, with respect suggest you ignore my post or check your puter settings. Because it looks fine to me.
I must go now because I have a big day tomorrow keeping workers alive.
For someone who waffles on about my supposed misuse of commas,full stops and paragraphs etc, you display a disturbing inability to understand the use of same. The correct way to use the highlighted words, in this context, is "newbies" (no apostrophe,which would denote ownership,but in this case,nothing belongs to the newbie) still are confused. But don't give up,as you no doubt provide amusement to those of us who can correctly speak and write the English language. Cheers
P.S When I have time to spare, I will respond to the rest of your post. Cheers.
" Perhaps you mean "company's employees?" And you happily criticise my grammar, which is correct. Cheerd
Thanks,Ralph,for your support. "Pot calling the kettle black" comes to mind. Cheers
That should have gone into the jokes sub forum.
Hi oldbloke,
Well done,
You can not make it any more simple and easy to follow.
Now we will all wait until some *know it all* picks it apart.
Maybe I should have said *knowitall.*
Cheers :) OB
Hi oldbloke,
I hope you dont mind but I linked your excellent check sheet in another topic on caravan safety here.
https://thegreynomads.activeboard.com/t68266492/towing-safety-it-can-be-so-simple/
Hi Rob,
I have managed to find fifteen minutes in my busy schedule to reply to your post.Its certainly hard work preventing injuries, preventing workplace related diseases and deaths.But once again I digress.My apologies.Thanks for your support.It's obvious that you have a very high level of understanding of the physics related to towing.Not many do.The document has been designed for just that purpose.KISS.I feel privileged to be able to help so many members.Must go now,incredibly busy.Come to think of it I might donate my earnings to a worthwhile charity.Cheers:)OB
Hi Rob. Probably I will not even bother,although I have spotted errors. However,it is apparent that, to some people, ignorance is bliss, so I'll let it go for now. Slowly the OP is learning though, which he could be given credit for, and I'm sure that his files will be of some help to newbies? (No apostrophe) Cheers
Thank you for your time oldbloke.
I am pleased you didnt have to drag yourself out of the seat of a prime mover towing a triple combination loaded with gold no less.
just to comment on a caravanners forum.
No No No, not that forum, this forum
I am so pleased you dont assume that everyone towing a caravan or trailer has a unit that automatically weighs 3500kg
I also find it pleasant that you realise that we dont all have to dispose of our less than adequate vehicles ( not yours or my opinion) and replace them with the mandatory 70 + series Toyota ute of which has been quoted on many platforms to be the worst vehicle for comfort and value for money, available in Australia.
KISS, although it is written in capitals and without punctuation and spacing is the way to offer a check list which should be able to be understood by all.
Anyway I have to go now, I am out on the highway today waving at all the truckies going by. I love it when I do that bent right arm action and they return the gesture by blowing tha air horn.
All this while sitting in my very smooth riding 200 series unhooked from the van and for that matter, unhooked from the rest of the world while I quietly wait for the next truck and have trucking music playing softly in the background.
It cant get any better than this.
Gday Oldbloke,
Your KISS check sheet is a great tool for any new caravanner to use to assess the safety and compliance of his van and car.
I have read and then re read and then read again, this whole topic so far, and my observation is that at this stage there is only one contributor that needs a really good rub of the Testosterone Crème from the other topic.
I love the humour of Rob D and yourself and Dougs kettle is is certainly dominating that scene.
Keep up the good work
Thanks Ivan,
Your comments are appreciated.
My background includes writing procedures so I could see a real need. I'm a strong believer in ensuring they are easy to understand. Complexity just ensures confusion and errors. Hence its fairly easy to follow.
I'm sick and tired of people claiming to assist members but really just interested in boasting and agrivating members. I note that once again there is a claim that the procedure has an error. BUT importantly that individual has again NOT provided:
1. What is wrong.
2. Or how to correct the error.
3. In the past that individual has had ample opportunity to provide a procedure but did nothing. So much for helping.
Members will draw their own conclusions. At least I have done something positive.
I'm just glad it will be used to help all vanners to maintain compliance, resulting in safer towing.
OB Cheers :)
-- Edited by oldbloke on Wednesday 2nd of March 2022 01:40:38 PM
Hi all,
Please keep comments focused on the topic rather than on the person who posted it. Thanks.