Am I wrong? Wasnt it stated that when we opened the international borders again, that all travellers had to have a NEGATIVE test result BEFORE travelling.
Yep, the government not sticking to the rules they had set, will kill us all, but hey they are doing a great job, let's vote them back in.
Clarky 1 said
06:15 PM Nov 28, 2021
The way to make sure these travellers are tested and have a negative result before coming to Aus is to make the airline responsible.
One passenger tests positive or does not have a test result then that airline no longer is permitted to land in Aus.
I hate to think what this would be like if we were involved in a war of combat.
TheHeaths said
08:12 PM Nov 28, 2021
Do we know they didnt have a negative test before they left to come here?
The quoted article makes no comment about that.
Clarky 1 said
08:33 PM Nov 28, 2021
TheHeaths wrote:
Do we know they didnt have a negative test before they left to come here?
The quoted article makes no comment about that.
Nothing along that line of thought was mentioned that I could see.
Personally after reading that article posted in the link above I am horrified and concerned of so many details that are actually being reported.
Maybe if anyone doubts that we are being over concerned then go back and read the entire story paying attention to actually what is being reported.
I am not that good on a forum and I have trouble quoting and highliting bits and bobs but if anyone can do it then it would give us a real picture as to what is currently happening.
Once the article is read in detail the question of if they are positive or negative before leaving for Aus is probably the least of our worries.
TheHeaths said
09:14 AM Nov 29, 2021
Clarky 1,
I only put the comment up, as this article was used to suggest these people were allowed to fly to Australia, without providing a negative test before leaving. It doesnt say that at all.
If they didnt provide that negative test result, then it is wrong to have allowed them to come here if it was a condition of travel. But use a report that shows that, not one that just says they tested positive here.
Whether we are being over cautious is a point for discussion in a different thread. Interesting approach though to be cautious about Covid, but not about the possibility of the climate being changed by humanity. Just saying!
-- Edited by TheHeaths on Monday 29th of November 2021 09:17:19 AM
Rob Driver said
06:36 PM Nov 29, 2021
Hi The Heaths,
You are correct.
I asked in opening the topic, *am I wrong* This Q was with reference to overseas travellers arriving in our country with Covid, so really unless you want to start another topic we could all discuss it here.
Personally I have little doubt that people are boarding flights to Australia without being tested. Our government has nothing in place to check their status or if they do, they arent telling the Australian public about it. The problem is that if travellers are positive on an arriving aircraft then the entire passenger and crew list may be infected. If they tested negative when they left then they stood a good chance of contracting the virus while on board or at the airport facility.
Due to an ongoing illness I am listening and watching more news reports of late than what I would normally be exposed to. I note today that not one media commentator questioned any suggested requirement of prior testing to any government representative.
Clarky 1 makes a good point in as much as there is some disturbing quotes all contained within that news link.
He made a good suggestion for all to read the fine detail.
I will leave it there, start a new topic if you wish but please dont mention the weather.
TheHeaths said
07:52 PM Nov 29, 2021
Rob,
As the link was included in the post, I felt it had been included to back up your question.
I was obviously mistaken.
-- Edited by TheHeaths on Monday 29th of November 2021 08:15:15 PM
Rob Driver said
08:14 PM Nov 29, 2021
TheHeaths wrote:
Laughing emoji didnt show up!
-- Edited by TheHeaths on Monday 29th of November 2021 07:53:21 PM
No, I did include it but my intention was to indicate the event of arrival of positive covid travellers.
My thoughts of pre testing ran ahead of my inclusion of the link.
Here you go.
-- Edited by Rob Driver on Monday 29th of November 2021 08:21:24 PM
Tony LEE said
08:15 PM Nov 29, 2021
Basic lack of understanding. Any sort of test, including a rego safety check is only valid at the time thd test was taken. Quite possible to be infected but not show up on a test, but then hours later does show up.
No conspiracy theory - move on
peter67 said
09:30 PM Nov 29, 2021
Ok, travellers undergo two weeks quarantine and testing BEFORE they depart to another country. Pilots don't mix with passengers and no flight attendants. If you want to travel overseas that bad you can pack your own lunch.
Rob Driver said
07:42 AM Nov 30, 2021
Reported on the ABC this morning with no link supplied that 19 Covid positive people have arrived from South Africa into Australia.
It appears that maybe, just maybe, those travellers arent being tested or did they catch the Covid on the plane. Just sayin or more to the point, asking.?
TheHeaths said
07:58 AM Nov 30, 2021
Rob,
Probably didnt catch it on the plane, but may have tested negative before leaving.
As you would be aware, the experience of this disease around the world, and here in Australia, has been a person can test negative for some longish periods, up to 2 weeks, and still have a positive response at the end of that period.
Maybe they arent being tested, maybe they are. In the absence of solid evidence either way, its impossible to say, or lay blame anywhere.
We may never know.
Rob Driver said
08:32 AM Nov 30, 2021
Good morning Ian,
It appears that it may be a convenient loophole in testing for travel eligibility, or at the worst, a big threat to the health of all Australians.
What is the point of travellers being tested for a virus and then being permitted to travel without the required incubation period being adhered to??
While you are correct with your suggestion, If it was my money on the bet then I would favour the fact that they arent being tested or that tests are being falsified to comply with them boarding the plane.
The only losers with all of this, no matter what the reason, is the health and welfare of Australians.
TheHeaths said
09:23 AM Nov 30, 2021
Unfortunately Rob, as someone else pointed out, a test shows the persons health at a point in time.
That being the case, it is impossible to guarantee that everyone tested will remain negative when they retest here. Wait for 2 weeks after the test, they may still show negative, and may still be positive when they get here.
At some time, we have to trust that we have done the things we need to that will keep us safe, and start to move slowly forward towards a reopened country. It comes with risks, no doubt, but I suspect we are going to need to face this at some stage, as like many illnesses, this one is likely to be here to stay.
We have high vaccination rates, we have well trained specialists considering what we should and shouldnt do, we have sensible health practices to follow. We have governments who err on the side of caution, closing borders, restricting travel, and generally working to keep us safe. It is time to start trusting them.
Rob Driver said
06:18 PM Nov 30, 2021
From the article above.
I think this is a little more of a problem than someone who didnt get a negative result due to the incubation period.
And this rubbish just goes on and on.
It comes as authorities work to track down at least 100 Australians who recently arrived in the country from the nine African nations without quarantine.
markf said
10:53 AM Dec 1, 2021
There's a load of talk about "negative results". What does a negative result actually mean ?
As explained to me by someone who makes a living designing and processing tests, a "negative result" proves nothing. It means that using "that" sample, given the conditions in the laboratory, the chemicals used to process the sample, etc., etc. there was no evidence of the virus detected in that sample. That does not prove that the person the sample came from is not carrying the virus and is not infectious. Indeed, they may be carrying a significant load and be very infectious.
Am I wrong? Wasnt it stated that when we opened the international borders again, that all travellers had to have a NEGATIVE test result BEFORE travelling.
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/covid19-detected-on-flight-that-arrived-in-sydney-carrying-14-people-from-southern-africa/news-story/bb35fcf661b07af5feb54b282ecd2037
One passenger tests positive or does not have a test result then that airline no longer is permitted to land in Aus.
I hate to think what this would be like if we were involved in a war of combat.
The quoted article makes no comment about that.
Nothing along that line of thought was mentioned that I could see.
Personally after reading that article posted in the link above I am horrified and concerned of so many details that are actually being reported.
Maybe if anyone doubts that we are being over concerned then go back and read the entire story paying attention to actually what is being reported.
I am not that good on a forum and I have trouble quoting and highliting bits and bobs but if anyone can do it then it would give us a real picture as to what is currently happening.
Once the article is read in detail the question of if they are positive or negative before leaving for Aus is probably the least of our worries.
Clarky 1,
I only put the comment up, as this article was used to suggest these people were allowed to fly to Australia, without providing a negative test before leaving. It doesnt say that at all.
If they didnt provide that negative test result, then it is wrong to have allowed them to come here if it was a condition of travel. But use a report that shows that, not one that just says they tested positive here.
Whether we are being over cautious is a point for discussion in a different thread. Interesting approach though to be cautious about Covid, but not about the possibility of the climate being changed by humanity. Just saying!
-- Edited by TheHeaths on Monday 29th of November 2021 09:17:19 AM
Hi The Heaths,
You are correct.
I asked in opening the topic, *am I wrong*
This Q was with reference to overseas travellers arriving in our country with Covid, so really unless you want to start another topic we could all discuss it here.
Personally I have little doubt that people are boarding flights to Australia without being tested.
Our government has nothing in place to check their status or if they do, they arent telling the Australian public about it.
The problem is that if travellers are positive on an arriving aircraft then the entire passenger and crew list may be infected.
If they tested negative when they left then they stood a good chance of contracting the virus while on board or at the airport facility.
Due to an ongoing illness I am listening and watching more news reports of late than what I would normally be exposed to.
I note today that not one media commentator questioned any suggested requirement of prior testing to any government representative.
Clarky 1 makes a good point in as much as there is some disturbing quotes all contained within that news link.
He made a good suggestion for all to read the fine detail.
I will leave it there, start a new topic if you wish but please dont mention the weather.
Rob,
As the link was included in the post, I felt it had been included to back up your question.
I was obviously mistaken.
-- Edited by TheHeaths on Monday 29th of November 2021 08:15:15 PM
No, I did include it but my intention was to indicate the event of arrival of positive covid travellers.
My thoughts of pre testing ran ahead of my inclusion of the link.
Here you go.
-- Edited by Rob Driver on Monday 29th of November 2021 08:21:24 PM
It appears that maybe, just maybe, those travellers arent being tested or did they catch the Covid on the plane. Just sayin or more to the point, asking.?
Probably didnt catch it on the plane, but may have tested negative before leaving.
As you would be aware, the experience of this disease around the world, and here in Australia, has been a person can test negative for some longish periods, up to 2 weeks, and still have a positive response at the end of that period.
Maybe they arent being tested, maybe they are. In the absence of solid evidence either way, its impossible to say, or lay blame anywhere.
We may never know.
It appears that it may be a convenient loophole in testing for travel eligibility, or at the worst, a big threat to the health of all Australians.
What is the point of travellers being tested for a virus and then being permitted to travel without the required incubation period being adhered to??
While you are correct with your suggestion, If it was my money on the bet then I would favour the fact that they arent being tested or that tests are being falsified to comply with them boarding the plane.
The only losers with all of this, no matter what the reason, is the health and welfare of Australians.
That being the case, it is impossible to guarantee that everyone tested will remain negative when they retest here. Wait for 2 weeks after the test, they may still show negative, and may still be positive when they get here.
At some time, we have to trust that we have done the things we need to that will keep us safe, and start to move slowly forward towards a reopened country. It comes with risks, no doubt, but I suspect we are going to need to face this at some stage, as like many illnesses, this one is likely to be here to stay.
We have high vaccination rates, we have well trained specialists considering what we should and shouldnt do, we have sensible health practices to follow. We have governments who err on the side of caution, closing borders, restricting travel, and generally working to keep us safe. It is time to start trusting them.
From the article above.
I think this is a little more of a problem than someone who didnt get a negative result due to the incubation period.
And this rubbish just goes on and on.
It comes as authorities work to track down at least 100 Australians who recently arrived in the country from the nine African nations without quarantine.
There's a load of talk about "negative results". What does a negative result actually mean ?
As explained to me by someone who makes a living designing and processing tests, a "negative result" proves nothing. It means that using "that" sample, given the conditions in the laboratory, the chemicals used to process the sample, etc., etc. there was no evidence of the virus detected in that sample. That does not prove that the person the sample came from is not carrying the virus and is not infectious. Indeed, they may be carrying a significant load and be very infectious.