Possum: I read that comment as meaning the police always know best and their actions or decisions should never be challenged by anyone who isn't a police officer and when a police officer gets it wrong it should be their colleagues who judge culpability and actions to be taken.
Am I correct in my interpretation?
Because I don't think that is what most of us want or expect from a public servant.
Possum3 said
01:06 PM Oct 28, 2021
Mike as you would be aware, I believe the Law should enacted, followed and enforced without fear or favour. It is the role of Police to serve (the Law) and protect (the populace), again without fear or favour. To do this there is Legislation (Passed in Parliament/s) to facilitate this. Sometimes there may be differing interpretations of the Law/s - to differentiate between the interpretations is not the role of the Police officer - this must be left for the Courts. The majority of policing roles are covered by SOP's (Standard Operating Procedures) when any Officer is following the SOP's, their actions Ipso Facto (by the very fact) are legally sanctioned.
iana said
07:18 PM Oct 28, 2021
So why are you waving this flag ?
Possum3 said
10:57 PM Oct 28, 2021
iana wrote:
So why are you waving this flag ?
Following on from previous Ned Kelly anniversary of the killing of three Policemen.
dorian said
10:06 AM Oct 29, 2021
How about a mandatory sentence for police who kill unarmed people? By the way, there's no period after "job". I guess good grammar is not a prerequisite for the police force.
Possum3 said
11:45 AM Oct 29, 2021
dorian wrote:
How about a mandatory sentence for police who kill unarmed people? By the way, there's no period after "job". I guess good grammar is not a prerequisite for the police force.
That is a stupid remark even for a Cop hater - All "Lethal Force" encounters in Australia are subject to a Coronial Inquiry (A coroner holds an inquiry to find out more about who the person was, and where, when and how they died. Inquiries also help coroners make recommendations or comments that might prevent a similar death happening in the future).
A petty disparagingly comment regarding English Grammar serves to show the actual bias intent towards Law and Integrity.
Wanda said
01:09 PM Oct 29, 2021
Woops, sorry nodded off!
Must be slow news day
Ian
-- Edited by Wanda on Friday 29th of October 2021 01:10:10 PM
Mike Harding said
01:26 PM Oct 29, 2021
Possum3 wrote:
That is a stupid remark even for a Cop hater
Possum: not everyone (and I do not speak for Dorian) who thinks many police officers are not angles is a "cop hater".
We all recognise a police *service* is necessary but know such a role will inevitably appeal to some individuals who are attracted by the prospect of power and control over others and we must have the ability to ensure these people are not allowed to cause havoc in their own little domains. Not one hour past I put the phone down after calling an old friend whose adult daughter has been persecuted by a police office for some years. Said officer abuses their power but has received, and I doubt ever will, any sanction.
When we, as a society, give a person permission to walk the streets with a gun on his/her hip and use it to kill people we also need to ensure a high degree of accountability is maintained. Police are *not* above the law and should not be investigated by other police but rather by a *totally* independent commission.
Bicyclecamper said
05:53 PM Oct 29, 2021
Too true Mike. My daughter had a police officer, interested in her for all the wrong reasons, when she was just 16. When she blocked and denied his advances, he became and a....hole, and treated her and her family( us) like we were criminals. He eventually came undone doing the same to another 16 yo. He is no longer in the police force, but my daughter and us never received an apology from the force, for all of his harassment.
Possum3 said
08:38 AM Oct 30, 2021
If you are a police officer and they have a gun on you make sure to use their correct pronouns and send them peaceful vibes and, whatever you do do not shoot in self defence because you will become the criminal and they will become the poor unsuspecting innocent peaceful civilian.
Magnarc said
09:40 AM Oct 30, 2021
There are bad apples in every barrel and the police force is obviously no different. I have worked with many of these guys here in Victoria over the years and by far the vast majority are hard working people who try to do their best in very demanding, difficult and stressful situations which sometimes put their lives at risk.
Some on this forum and elsewhere, have had bad experiences with police and that is in no way acceptable but you should not judge the majority on the actions of a few. We are very quick to condemn but very slow to praise.
Let me pose a couple of questions. Who do we all turn to when we are physically threatened, domestically abused, or burgled?. Who has to attend accidents that have severed body parts and dead kids?. I have a very good friend 20yrs in VicPol who was called to a caravan park because an old feller who was a permanent resident had not been seen for sometime. When he and his partner got there they found him deceased in bed with an electric blanket still switched on. He had partially melted into it.
Could you do the job? I know that I couldn't.
Time to cut these guys and gals some slack methinks.
Bicyclecamper said
01:33 PM Oct 30, 2021
I will admit this, when I was in the army, contemplating a career change to the Federal Police, I asked one of them about doing a transfer, which was easy back in those days, and he said this: "Out of the frying pan, into the fire", then proceeded to explain what he meant by this statement. I then decided to ask some more officers what it was like, and spoke to a former NSW Policeman and he said he should never had joined either police force. So the outcome of that was, I never joined the Federal Police, and since then, am very glad that I didn't do it. They are beaucratic nightmare roles.
Buzz Lightbulb said
12:19 PM Oct 31, 2021
I've had a couple of bad experiences with the coppers.
When I was on my 'P's, a very long time ago, I was following a friend's car when another car came around a corner too wide a ran into him. I saw it coming and had stopped but the big Ford kept on pushing my friend's, small, Japanese car backwards until it hit my stationary car. The driver at fault said "We'd better get the cars off the road." and whilst doing so, he drove off, making the accident a hit and run.
Fortunately, my passeger saw and noted the rego number. We called the police, gave them the details when they arrived and they supposedly checked the car's details in the squad car. They staid there was no such car.
I got home, told my parents, they were not happy, and my dad said he'd call his copper mate with whom we used to go camping. He was also the chief superintendent at the Rose Hill(?) police station.
The police found the guy the next morning still with a decent blood alcohol content. His car was the same colour, make, model and rego number that we gave the coppers who attended the accident.
We couldn't work out why they said the car didn't exist, but it gave me less confidence in the local constabulary.
Craig1 said
12:59 PM Oct 31, 2021
Buzz, that certainly does not happen today, In Victoria any way. Quite a few members have been done for dui in the last few years
DMaxer said
09:08 AM Nov 1, 2021
My old dad was in the NSW police and it was always his view that if I ever thought about joining I would be disinherited. Times were different then with a lot of the police being ex servicemen from WW2. Policing was different in those times, in fact right up to about the 1970s. The local sergeant and his boot took care of any upstarts in the younger population whilst a few choice words of advice took care of civil issues within the older community. The police understood the difference between a local farmer coming into town to drink on a Saturday and then drive home and the local hoons doing the same.
Since the 1970s policing has changed dramatically. Bureaucrats and people with no particular street experience set the agenda and every move is examined by an ever vigilant and suspicious media looking for a scandal. Of course there are crooks in the police from time to time, there are in every walk of life. I respect the police and would not like their job. They deal with the lowlifes on a daily basis and are witnesses to some hideous and frightening events. I don't hold the whole police service responsible for the actions of a few.
Blues Man said
09:21 AM Nov 1, 2021
DMaxer wrote:
My old dad was in the NSW police and it was always his view that if I ever thought about joining I would be disinherited. Times were different then with a lot of the police being ex servicemen from WW2. Policing was different in those times, in fact right up to about the 1970s. The local sergeant and his boot took care of any upstarts in the younger population whilst a few choice words of advice took care of civil issues within the older community. The police understood the difference between a local farmer coming into town to drink on a Saturday and then drive home and the local hoons doing the same.
Since the 1970s policing has changed dramatically. Bureaucrats and people with no particular street experience set the agenda and every move is examined by an ever vigilant and suspicious media looking for a scandal. Of course there are crooks in the police from time to time, there are in every walk of life. I respect the police and would not like their job. They deal with the lowlifes on a daily basis and are witnesses to some hideous and frightening events. I don't hold the whole police service responsible for the actions of a few.
Possum: I read that comment as meaning the police always know best and their actions or decisions should never be challenged by anyone who isn't a police officer and when a police officer gets it wrong it should be their colleagues who judge culpability and actions to be taken.
Am I correct in my interpretation?
Because I don't think that is what most of us want or expect from a public servant.
Mike as you would be aware, I believe the Law should enacted, followed and enforced without fear or favour. It is the role of Police to serve (the Law) and protect (the populace), again without fear or favour. To do this there is Legislation (Passed in Parliament/s) to facilitate this. Sometimes there may be differing interpretations of the Law/s - to differentiate between the interpretations is not the role of the Police officer - this must be left for the Courts. The majority of policing roles are covered by SOP's (Standard Operating Procedures) when any Officer is following the SOP's, their actions Ipso Facto (by the very fact) are legally sanctioned.
So why are you waving this flag ?
Following on from previous Ned Kelly anniversary of the killing of three Policemen.
How about a mandatory sentence for police who kill unarmed people? By the way, there's no period after "job". I guess good grammar is not a prerequisite for the police force.
That is a stupid remark even for a Cop hater - All "Lethal Force" encounters in Australia are subject to a Coronial Inquiry (A coroner holds an inquiry to find out more about who the person was, and where, when and how they died. Inquiries also help coroners make recommendations or comments that might prevent a similar death happening in the future).
A petty disparagingly comment regarding English Grammar serves to show the actual bias intent towards Law and Integrity.
Woops, sorry nodded off!
Must be slow news day
Ian
-- Edited by Wanda on Friday 29th of October 2021 01:10:10 PM
Possum: not everyone (and I do not speak for Dorian) who thinks many police officers are not angles is a "cop hater".
We all recognise a police *service* is necessary but know such a role will inevitably appeal to some individuals who are attracted by the prospect of power and control over others and we must have the ability to ensure these people are not allowed to cause havoc in their own little domains. Not one hour past I put the phone down after calling an old friend whose adult daughter has been persecuted by a police office for some years. Said officer abuses their power but has received, and I doubt ever will, any sanction.
When we, as a society, give a person permission to walk the streets with a gun on his/her hip and use it to kill people we also need to ensure a high degree of accountability is maintained. Police are *not* above the law and should not be investigated by other police but rather by a *totally* independent commission.
Too true Mike. My daughter had a police officer, interested in her for all the wrong reasons, when she was just 16. When she blocked and denied his advances, he became and a....hole, and treated her and her family( us) like we were criminals. He eventually came undone doing the same to another 16 yo. He is no longer in the police force, but my daughter and us never received an apology from the force, for all of his harassment.
If you are a police officer and they have a gun on you make sure to use their correct pronouns and send them peaceful vibes and, whatever you do do not shoot in self defence because you will become the criminal and they will become the poor unsuspecting innocent peaceful civilian.
There are bad apples in every barrel and the police force is obviously no different. I have worked with many of these guys here in Victoria over the years and by far the vast majority are hard working people who try to do their best in very demanding, difficult and stressful situations which sometimes put their lives at risk.
Some on this forum and elsewhere, have had bad experiences with police and that is in no way acceptable but you should not judge the majority on the actions of a few. We are very quick to condemn but very slow to praise.
Let me pose a couple of questions. Who do we all turn to when we are physically threatened, domestically abused, or burgled?. Who has to attend accidents that have severed body parts and dead kids?. I have a very good friend 20yrs in VicPol who was called to a caravan park because an old feller who was a permanent resident had not been seen for sometime. When he and his partner got there they found him deceased in bed with an electric blanket still switched on. He had partially melted into it.
Could you do the job? I know that I couldn't.
Time to cut these guys and gals some slack methinks.
I will admit this, when I was in the army, contemplating a career change to the Federal Police, I asked one of them about doing a transfer, which was easy back in those days, and he said this: "Out of the frying pan, into the fire", then proceeded to explain what he meant by this statement. I then decided to ask some more officers what it was like, and spoke to a former NSW Policeman and he said he should never had joined either police force. So the outcome of that was, I never joined the Federal Police, and since then, am very glad that I didn't do it. They are beaucratic nightmare roles.
I've had a couple of bad experiences with the coppers.
When I was on my 'P's, a very long time ago, I was following a friend's car when another car came around a corner too wide a ran into him. I saw it coming and had stopped but the big Ford kept on pushing my friend's, small, Japanese car backwards until it hit my stationary car. The driver at fault said "We'd better get the cars off the road." and whilst doing so, he drove off, making the accident a hit and run.
Fortunately, my passeger saw and noted the rego number. We called the police, gave them the details when they arrived and they supposedly checked the car's details in the squad car. They staid there was no such car.
I got home, told my parents, they were not happy, and my dad said he'd call his copper mate with whom we used to go camping. He was also the chief superintendent at the Rose Hill(?) police station.
The police found the guy the next morning still with a decent blood alcohol content. His car was the same colour, make, model and rego number that we gave the coppers who attended the accident.
We couldn't work out why they said the car didn't exist, but it gave me less confidence in the local constabulary.
Buzz, that certainly does not happen today, In Victoria any way. Quite a few members have been done for dui in the last few years
My old dad was in the NSW police and it was always his view that if I ever thought about joining I would be disinherited. Times were different then with a lot of the police being ex servicemen from WW2. Policing was different in those times, in fact right up to about the 1970s. The local sergeant and his boot took care of any upstarts in the younger population whilst a few choice words of advice took care of civil issues within the older community. The police understood the difference between a local farmer coming into town to drink on a Saturday and then drive home and the local hoons doing the same.
Since the 1970s policing has changed dramatically. Bureaucrats and people with no particular street experience set the agenda and every move is examined by an ever vigilant and suspicious media looking for a scandal. Of course there are crooks in the police from time to time, there are in every walk of life. I respect the police and would not like their job. They deal with the lowlifes on a daily basis and are witnesses to some hideous and frightening events. I don't hold the whole police service responsible for the actions of a few.
Well said DMaxer.