My wife and I are in a bit of an argument, at the moment, as to what is the proper name of the cooking implement. I have always Known them as a Dutch Oven, but she has always known them as a Camp oven, and I cannot change her mind. She uses the excuse, that she is in an Australian Camp Oven club/forum, and everybody there calls them Camp ovens. But when I was in the army, as well as in the US at one time, and everybody as well as my parents called them Dutch Ovens. Now she is city bred and I am country bred, and we live in the country as well, and I am sure I have heard at some of our local shows that people call them Dutch Ovens in relation to cooking a meal later that night. So, What Is I t? , A Dutch Oven, or A Camp Oven?
Whenarewethere said
01:58 PM Oct 7, 2021
Let it go, it's not with it.
Or...
Quietly go to an engraver & get a small name plate made up "dutch oven" & screw it to the back. let it get dirty & worn. Maybe she sees it in 6 months. But don't you find it!
blaze said
02:24 PM Oct 7, 2021
camp oven
Possum3 said
02:27 PM Oct 7, 2021
Dutch ovens don't have a rim to hold coals on lid - whereas Camp ovens do. That is the basic difference. Been that way in shearing camps since Christ played fullback for Jerusalem.
Mike Harding said
02:43 PM Oct 7, 2021
"You say potato - I say glockenspiel...."
Corndoggy said
03:33 PM Oct 7, 2021
I thought a Dutch oven had something to do with a bed, sheets and a fart.
rgren2 said
04:08 PM Oct 7, 2021
Me too.
oldbloke said
04:30 PM Oct 7, 2021
Your both wrong. My God everyone knows it's a cast iron pot.
peter67 said
06:29 PM Oct 7, 2021
Corndoggy wrote:
I thought a Dutch oven had something to do with a bed, sheets and a fart.
And the recipient suffers mightily!!
Craig1 said
07:53 PM Oct 7, 2021
X4 for Corndoggy/peter67
yobarr said
08:39 PM Oct 7, 2021
And the score is:-Wife. 1,Ric Nil. Cheers
Sheba said
10:00 PM Oct 7, 2021
Possum3 wrote:
Dutch ovens don't have a rim to hold coals on lid - whereas Camp ovens do. That is the basic difference. Been that way in shearing camps since Christ played fullback for Jerusalem.
Possum3 is right.
Izabarack said
10:01 PM Oct 7, 2021
Cast iron with a lid that does not keep out ash from coals on top meets my idea of a Dutch Oven. Spun steel or a cast arrangement with a lid you can heap coals on top and not get ash inside is what I call a Camp Oven.
yobarr said
05:33 AM Oct 8, 2021
Izabarack wrote:
Cast iron with a lid that does not keep out ash from coals on top meets my idea of a Dutch Oven. Spun steel or a cast arrangement with a lid you can heap coals on top and not get ash inside is what I call a Camp Oven.
And what about a Bedourie steel thingie then, what's that?
Possum3 said
08:11 AM Oct 8, 2021
Check www.mydeal.com.au/10-bedourie-camp-oven-australian-made-1941513%20-%20Very%20High%20Commission%20(20%2B)&utm_term=4581802404050087&utm_content=Ad%20group - Modern spun steel cooking pot - just because you paint stripes on a horse doesn't make calling it a Zebra correct.
Cupie said
09:28 AM Oct 8, 2021
Sheba wrote:
Possum3 wrote:
Dutch ovens don't have a rim to hold coals on lid - whereas Camp ovens do. That is the basic difference. Been that way in shearing camps since Christ played fullback for Jerusalem.
I have a Chinese made Dutch oven but wish that I had a real Furphy Camp oven (just like the one pictured at the start of the above article) ... with feet, a good upturned lip & a better functioning handle. Old ones sell for astonishing prices. We actually used one as a chook water bowl in my youth! BTW I once read that the good Aussie Camp ovens can be identified/differentiated from the Ching rubbish by the handle design.
My spun steel Bedourie oven is great but I would never call it a Camp Oven. Not as forgiving as a cast iron pot though. I have seen some spun steel ovens in the shape of camp ovens.
BTW, we have a much used Round French Oven too (enameled cast iron Le Creuset) but I wouldn't consider using it with hot coals.
What about the South African version .. the Potjie Pot. Although it usually has a slight lip on the lid, it is more of a cauldron in both design & use.
-- Edited by Cupie on Friday 8th of October 2021 09:30:35 AM
yobarr said
09:43 AM Oct 8, 2021
Mike Harding wrote:
yobarr wrote:
Correct.
Nah, that pic shows a saucepan.
And what about a Bedourie steel thingie then, what's that?
Sorry Mike,but that IS indeed a Dutch Oven.As has been explained by others,a camp oven MUST be able to hold hot coals on its lid,thus cooking from above and below.Anything else is simply a pot.At home I have a brand new,cured,cast iron Camp Oven that I decided to offload as I was running close to my 2300kg rear axle weight,and my GCM.In its place I have a Bedourie Spun Steel Camp Oven.Much lighter,and does an equally good job,although needs to be watched more closely,I believe.Cheers
Bicyclecamper said
10:20 AM Oct 8, 2021
Well the one we have must be a dutch oven as in does not have a lip for coals, but it does have feet, to sit over coals. It is cast iron though, and was quite expensive and not made in that cheap place.. It was made in the US.
yobarr said
12:02 PM Oct 8, 2021
Bicyclecamper wrote:
Well the one we have must be a dutch oven as in does not have a lip for coals, but it does have feet, to sit over coals. It is cast iron though, and was quite expensive and not made in that cheap place.. It was made in the US.
Pennsylvania?
Possum3 said
02:13 PM Oct 8, 2021
yobarr wrote:
Bicyclecamper wrote:
Well the one we have must be a dutch oven as in does not have a lip for coals, but it does have feet, to sit over coals. It is cast iron though, and was quite expensive and not made in that cheap place.. It was made in the US.
Interesting, I don,t remember the cast iron ovens (note I'm not calling it dutch) in my early years having provision for coals to held in the lid (a rim as such) nor do I remember them having feet, we always had them for camping and yes we put coals on the lid and they were always referred to as the dutch oven, the lid fitted over the pot not into, it wasn't till I got older that I noticed this newer design with the rim to hold the coals had been introduced and the tag read camp oven.
When we arrived at the camp site we had to first unload the trailer then setup the tripod and build a fire pit around it this tripod held the cast iron kettle or billy and oven but the oven was also used on/in the coals when cooking damper and for frying.
My wife and I are in a bit of an argument, at the moment, as to what is the proper name of the cooking implement. I have always Known them as a Dutch Oven, but she has always known them as a Camp oven, and I cannot change her mind. She uses the excuse, that she is in an Australian Camp Oven club/forum, and everybody there calls them Camp ovens. But when I was in the army, as well as in the US at one time, and everybody as well as my parents called them Dutch Ovens. Now she is city bred and I am country bred, and we live in the country as well, and I am sure I have heard at some of our local shows that people call them Dutch Ovens in relation to cooking a meal later that night. So, What Is I t? , A Dutch Oven, or A Camp Oven?
Let it go, it's not with it.
Or...
Quietly go to an engraver & get a small name plate made up "dutch oven" & screw it to the back. let it get dirty & worn. Maybe she sees it in 6 months. But don't you find it!
"You say potato - I say glockenspiel...."
I thought a Dutch oven had something to do with a bed, sheets and a fart.
Me too.
And the recipient suffers mightily!!
And the score is:-Wife. 1,Ric Nil. Cheers
Possum3 is right.
Correct.
Nah, that pic shows a saucepan.
And what about a Bedourie steel thingie then, what's that?
That is my firm understanding too.
but then I came across this Yankee view https://www.reluctantgourmet.com/real-dutch-oven/
I have a Chinese made Dutch oven but wish that I had a real Furphy Camp oven (just like the one pictured at the start of the above article) ... with feet, a good upturned lip & a better functioning handle. Old ones sell for astonishing prices. We actually used one as a chook water bowl in my youth! BTW I once read that the good Aussie Camp ovens can be identified/differentiated from the Ching rubbish by the handle design.
My spun steel Bedourie oven is great but I would never call it a Camp Oven. Not as forgiving as a cast iron pot though. I have seen some spun steel ovens in the shape of camp ovens.
BTW, we have a much used Round French Oven too (enameled cast iron Le Creuset) but I wouldn't consider using it with hot coals.
https://unocasa.com/blogs/tips/french-oven-vs-dutch-oven
What about the South African version .. the Potjie Pot. Although it usually has a slight lip on the lid, it is more of a cauldron in both design & use.
-- Edited by Cupie on Friday 8th of October 2021 09:30:35 AM
Sorry Mike,but that IS indeed a Dutch Oven.As has been explained by others,a camp oven MUST be able to hold hot coals on its lid,thus cooking from above and below.Anything else is simply a pot.At home I have a brand new,cured,cast iron Camp Oven that I decided to offload as I was running close to my 2300kg rear axle weight,and my GCM.In its place I have a Bedourie Spun Steel Camp Oven.Much lighter,and does an equally good job,although needs to be watched more closely,I believe.Cheers
Pennsylvania?
Pennsylvania Dutch - Wikipedia
Interesting, I don,t remember the cast iron ovens (note I'm not calling it dutch) in my early years having provision for coals to held in the lid (a rim as such) nor do I remember them having feet, we always had them for camping and yes we put coals on the lid and they were always referred to as the dutch oven, the lid fitted over the pot not into, it wasn't till I got older that I noticed this newer design with the rim to hold the coals had been introduced and the tag read camp oven.
When we arrived at the camp site we had to first unload the trailer then setup the tripod and build a fire pit around it
this tripod held the cast iron kettle or billy and oven but the oven was also used on/in the coals when cooking damper and for frying.