This guy is shooting a Barrett M82A1 50 calibre sniper rifle a Green Beret staple. Watch the dust when he fires.
The target is a steel plate 1,000 yards away (0.57 miles or 10 football fields away.) You can hear the ping of the hit on the target and then listen carefully for the bullet coming back.It hits the ground just in front of him (look at the dust cloud at 2 seconds from trigger pull).
The 50 calibre bullet then bounces up and hits his ear protection muffs, knocking them off of his head.The footage is amazing. If you haven't heard the sound of a bullet ricochet before, you will hear this one.
Consider the probability of the bullet hitting the ground in exactly the right place to bounce up at the correct trajectory angle to hit his ear protection. Fortunately, the angle of the plate he was shooting at, changed the return trajectory of the bullet by 6 inches to the left" - a distance of more than 2,000 yards worth of total travel.
If the deviation of the returning bullet was anything less, it would have been a 2,000 yard round trip one-hop-head-shot, instead of an earmuff clip.
I'm no sniper rifle expert, but I find that impossible to believe. Wikipedia says the muzzle velocity is 853 metres per second. So if the projectile did not lose any speed over its return trip (impossible) it would take just under 2 seconds for the return journey - one second there, one second back. That part fits with the timing on the video.
However, the ping sound of the bullet hitting the target would take close to 3 seconds to return, so we would hear it at around 4 seconds from the firing. The bullet would have already returned and hit him well before then. And travelling at that speed we would not hear the ricochet sound before it hit him, because the bullet is travelling at almost 3 times the speed of sound.
Apart from those impossibiilties, a 180 degree "ricochet" and not lose speed?
There's more, but that will do.
Blues Man said
06:55 AM Aug 24, 2021
It is very hard to dispute the physical evidence . How lucky was he.
Mike Harding said
07:08 AM Aug 24, 2021
Are We Lost wrote:
I'm no sniper rifle expert, but I find that impossible to believe. Wikipedia says the muzzle velocity is 853 metres per second. So if the projectile did not lose any speed over its return trip (impossible) it would take just under 2 seconds for the return journey - one second there, one second back. That part fits with the timing on the video.
However, the ping sound of the bullet hitting the target would take close to 3 seconds to return, so we would hear it at around 4 seconds from the firing. The bullet would have already returned and hit him well before then. And travelling at that speed we would not hear the ricochet sound before it hit him, because the bullet is travelling at almost 3 times the speed of sound.
I like your thinking :)
When my children were younger we often spent a day in the bush with a BBQ and a couple of rifles, target shooting. One target was to inflate some party balloons and tie them to trees about 150m distant from camp. When a balloon was shot the image of its demise was instantaneous but the time delay for the sound was noticeable and provided an excellent example of the physics for the boys.
Gundog said
08:56 AM Aug 24, 2021
Mike Harding wrote:
Are We Lost wrote:
I'm no sniper rifle expert, but I find that impossible to believe. Wikipedia says the muzzle velocity is 853 metres per second. So if the projectile did not lose any speed over its return trip (impossible) it would take just under 2 seconds for the return journey - one second there, one second back. That part fits with the timing on the video.
However, the ping sound of the bullet hitting the target would take close to 3 seconds to return, so we would hear it at around 4 seconds from the firing. The bullet would have already returned and hit him well before then. And travelling at that speed we would not hear the ricochet sound before it hit him, because the bullet is travelling at almost 3 times the speed of sound.
I like your thinking :)
When my children were younger we often spent a day in the bush with a BBQ and a couple of rifles, target shooting. One target was to inflate some party balloons and tie them to trees about 150m distant from camp. When a balloon was shot the image of its demise was instantaneous but the time delay for the sound was noticeable and provided an excellent example of the physics for the boys.
this video clip is a stichup, first and foremost the trajectory of the bullet is not flat when aiming at a target 1000 yards away, that coupled with the deceleration of the projectile it would be approximatly 1.6 seconds to target. Assuming the steel plate taget was perpect aligned for a return track, it is impossible for the projectile which would be seriously deformed with zero aerodynamic efficentcy after hitting a steel plate.
Bicyclecamper said
12:31 PM Aug 24, 2021
I have fired a 50 cal. to a target at 1200 feet away, and that round came back a second later and took out the window of my army truck. 50 cals. are quite capable of coming back and killing you if shooting at a flat steel target. We were shooting to see if it would penetrate a inch thick steel plate at that distance. On all the other shots it had penetrated, but on this shot it returned. Scared the crap out of us.
peter67 said
05:28 PM Aug 24, 2021
It's called "splash back" and usually happens at short ranges on steel targets. That rifle range looks no longer than 200mtrs.
landy said
10:05 PM Aug 25, 2021
Bicyclecamper wrote:
I have fired a 50 cal. to a target at 1200 feet away, and that round came back a second later and took out the window of my army truck. 50 cals. are quite capable of coming back and killing you if shooting at a flat steel target. We were shooting to see if it would penetrate a inch thick steel plate at that distance. On all the other shots it had penetrated, but on this shot it returned. Scared the crap out of us.
There's a fair bit of difference though Ric your talking about 366 meters and the video is talking about a 1000 meters that's over 1200 meters further there and back. Landy
Teo said
06:34 AM Aug 26, 2021
This video was made in about 2007 and created all the same discussions then as it has now. It is a well made stitch up. Dont let the truth get in the way of a good story!!!
-- Edited by Teo on Thursday 26th of August 2021 06:12:21 PM
oldbloke said
03:07 PM Aug 26, 2021
Usually happens at shorter ranges because a lot of energy is obsorbed by the hard target. 1200 seems a long shot, excuse the pun.
Gundog said
04:22 PM Aug 26, 2021
oldbloke wrote:
Usually happens at shorter ranges because a lot of energy is obsorbed by the hard target. 1200 seems a long shot, excuse the pun.
A 50cal 750gr projectile from a match grade round has a muzzle velocity of 2800 tf/s its trajectory over a 1000yds it drop approximatly 200 inches.
As someone who has fired many thousand rounds of 50 cal ammo not from a Barratt but from a Browning M2 rarely was the weapon actually aimed at the target, it was more the case of pointing it in the general direction firing and then walking the bullets to the target using the tracer ammo to get you there. Never had a ricochet come back when firing at old vehicles of Pucka Range.
Craig1 said
09:03 PM Aug 26, 2021
So Gundog, you aim a bit over 16 feet above the target?
Kebbin said
08:57 AM Aug 27, 2021
Like anything on the Net there's always someone about to myth bust, this fella thinks so anyway.
So Gundog, you aim a bit over 16 feet above the target?
In part yes but the average user would adjust the sight to compensate for the trajectory, a telescopic sight only gives you a better visual picture of the actual target compared to normal sights.
2,000 YARD RICOCHET
This guy is shooting a Barrett M82A1 50 calibre sniper rifle a Green Beret staple. Watch the dust when he fires.
The target is a steel plate 1,000 yards away (0.57 miles or 10 football fields away.) You can hear the ping of the hit on the target and then listen carefully for the bullet coming back. It hits the ground just in front of him (look at the dust cloud at 2 seconds from trigger pull).
The 50 calibre bullet then bounces up and hits his ear protection muffs, knocking them off of his head. The footage is amazing. If you haven't heard the sound of a bullet ricochet before, you will hear this one.
Consider the probability of the bullet hitting the ground in exactly the right place to bounce up at the correct trajectory angle to hit his ear protection. Fortunately, the angle of the plate he was shooting at, changed the return trajectory of the bullet by 6 inches to the left" - a distance of more than 2,000 yards worth of total travel.
If the deviation of the returning bullet was anything less, it would have been a 2,000 yard round trip one-hop-head-shot, instead of an earmuff clip.
However, the ping sound of the bullet hitting the target would take close to 3 seconds to return, so we would hear it at around 4 seconds from the firing. The bullet would have already returned and hit him well before then. And travelling at that speed we would not hear the ricochet sound before it hit him, because the bullet is travelling at almost 3 times the speed of sound.
Apart from those impossibiilties, a 180 degree "ricochet" and not lose speed?
There's more, but that will do.
It is very hard to dispute the physical evidence . How lucky was he.
I like your thinking :)
When my children were younger we often spent a day in the bush with a BBQ and a couple of rifles, target shooting. One target was to inflate some party balloons and tie them to trees about 150m distant from camp. When a balloon was shot the image of its demise was instantaneous but the time delay for the sound was noticeable and provided an excellent example of the physics for the boys.
this video clip is a stichup, first and foremost the trajectory of the bullet is not flat when aiming at a target 1000 yards away, that coupled with the deceleration of the projectile it would be approximatly 1.6 seconds to target. Assuming the steel plate taget was perpect aligned for a return track, it is impossible for the projectile which would be seriously deformed with zero aerodynamic efficentcy after hitting a steel plate.
There's a fair bit of difference though Ric your talking about 366 meters and the video is talking about a 1000 meters that's over 1200 meters further there and back. Landy
This video was made in about 2007 and created all the same discussions then as it has now.
It is a well made stitch up.
Dont let the truth get in the way of a good story!!!
-- Edited by Teo on Thursday 26th of August 2021 06:12:21 PM
A 50cal 750gr projectile from a match grade round has a muzzle velocity of 2800 tf/s its trajectory over a 1000yds it drop approximatly 200 inches.
As someone who has fired many thousand rounds of 50 cal ammo not from a Barratt but from a Browning M2 rarely was the weapon actually aimed at the target, it was more the case of pointing it in the general direction firing and then walking the bullets to the target using the tracer ammo to get you there. Never had a ricochet come back when firing at old vehicles of Pucka Range.
m.youtube.com/watch
In part yes but the average user would adjust the sight to compensate for the trajectory, a telescopic sight only gives you a better visual picture of the actual target compared to normal sights.
https://www.snipercountry.com/338-lapua-vs-50-bmg/
-- Edited by Gundog on Friday 27th of August 2021 09:10:14 AM