Although I am an advocate of owning guns for Recreational Hunting, Farm use or Sporting shooters - and will never surrender my guns - I put this on here for any Member that has acquired a gun through loss of a partner or any other means.
Anyone with unregistered guns will be able to surrender their weapons without facing legal consequences, questions or penalties.
The previous firearms amnesty in 2017 led to more than 57,000 guns being handed in.
Gun owners must contact police or a licensed gun dealer before handing in a weapon.
"You can't have possession of a weapon you know, at your home, and say 'I seek amnesty because I was going to deliver that.'"
"It's surprising how many people quite innocently come into possession of weapons."
They even had a rocket launcher handed in this year
Those feral cats are getting bigger all the time you know! :)
I believe this amnesty does not have a cut-off date, which is very sensible.
KFT said
10:38 AM Jul 2, 2021
This is a good start but I am pretty sure that no criminals will hand in any of their illegal guns
If you inherit a firearm via a will there is a procedure that allows for it to be registered and a firearms licence issued in order to retain legal possession. But they dont tell you that.
dorian said
01:34 PM Jul 2, 2021
I'm a curious person by nature, and I've always wanted to explore the "Dark Web", but I don't know where the line between curiosity and criminality is drawn. For example, if I download a design for 3D printing a firearm, have I committed a crime, or is it only a crime if I print a weapon?
What if I go window shopping at a web site that offers drugs or firearms or illegal services, something like the Silk Road? I know that some web sites are blacklisted by the Australian government (and enforced by ISPs), but one can still access them via proxies or VPNs.
-- Edited by dorian on Saturday 3rd of July 2021 06:13:16 AM
Possum3 said
02:55 PM Jul 2, 2021
Ah - To sin by thought or deed - the Law would consider the same as the Priest, in short don't.
landy said
09:54 PM Jul 2, 2021
dorian wrote:
I'm a curious person by nature, and I've always wanted to explore the "Dark Web", but I don't know where the line being curiosity and criminality is drawn. For example, if I download a design for 3D printing a firearm, have I committed a crime, or is it only a crime if I print a weapon?
What if I go window shopping at a web site that offers drugs or firearms or illegal services, something like the Silk Road? I know that some web sites are blacklisted by the Australian government (and enforced by ISPs), but one can still access them via proxies or VPNs.
I would not want to be caught with a file for printing a firearm on my computer Dorian. I have a 3D printer and have occasionally downloaded files from a popular and legal website that offers free downloads of thousands of items. Among them I have noticed are some firearm accessories which it would be Illegal to own in Victoria but although I am curios and it would only take a click of the mouse to have a closer look I have decided to stay well away. Landy
oldbloke said
05:52 AM Jul 3, 2021
dorian wrote:
I'm a curious person by nature, and I've always wanted to explore the "Dark Web", but I don't know where the line being curiosity and criminality is drawn. For example, if I download a design for 3D printing a firearm, have I committed a crime, or is it only a crime if I print a weapon?
What if I go window shopping at a web site that offers drugs or firearms or illegal services, something like the Silk Road? I know that some web sites are blacklisted by the Australian government (and enforced by ISPs), but one can still access them via proxies or VPNs.
In at least a couple of states,,yes.. I would need to check which ones.
Mike Harding said
08:16 AM Jul 3, 2021
dorian wrote:
I'm a curious person by nature, and I've always wanted to explore the "Dark Web", but I don't know where the line between curiosity and criminality is drawn. For example, if I download a design for 3D printing a firearm, have I committed a crime, or is it only a crime if I print a weapon?
What if I go window shopping at a web site that offers drugs or firearms or illegal services, something like the Silk Road? I know that some web sites are blacklisted by the Australian government (and enforced by ISPs), but one can still access them via proxies or VPNs.
Too late Dorian! Silk Road is no more but there are plenty of others.
I don't believe possession of plans/design for a firearm is a direct offence but they could try for some oblique "intent" type charge but they'd need good evidence, no reason why you should not have such info purely for interest sake.
Having a poke around the Dark Web is interesting it's also quite difficult to find out where to go, takes some time to learn the ropes. I was disappointed by the amount of child pornography present, far more than I expected, depressing.
One would think that gun laws should be a federal jurisdiction. After all, Howard was able to enact federal laws after the Port Arthur massacre, so why can't Morrison do the same? Or have the laws changed since 2018?
By the way, I have already installed Tor. What I don't understand is why all Tor browsers report the same identity. This would immediately alert the authorities that a Tor user is trying to evade scrutiny. Why not report some completely fictitious, unique identity which changes every time the browser is used? Of course any remnants of previous identities need to be securely erased.
Mike Harding said
12:36 PM Jul 3, 2021
dorian wrote:
One would think that gun laws should be a federal jurisdiction. After all, Howard was able to enact federal laws after the Port Arthur massacre
I have already installed Tor. What I don't understand is why all Tor browsers report the same identity.
The laws Howard pressured the states to enact in 1996 are state not federal laws. Each state has its own firearms act, Howard's objective (or rather his wife's) was to bring them all into line which is, more or less, the case nowadays.
I don't know what a browser identity is?
Tor is a highly secure browser system developed by the US navy with the intention of giving people in "difficult" countries the ability to use the WWW without being traced, I seriously doubt it has any glaring security flaws.
oldbloke said
01:04 PM Jul 3, 2021
So, sporting shooters get kicked out of various types of parks. Sporting shooters are ONLY permitted to shoot pests or a few game animals. In many areas spotlights are not permitted. . Sporting shooters will never remove all pests/feels but they do help to control the numbers. Pigs, goats, rabbits, dogs, foxes, hares, deer are the main ones.
Once numbers build up (and that's guaranteed) the goverment will need to pay to have the numbers reduced. How? You ask.
Poisoning (1080) is the most commonly used, look it up, pretty nasty. Trapping, very labour and time intensive. And best of all and used recently in NPs to reduce deer numbers, shooting from helicopter. Costs an arm and a leg.and all the meat is left to feed the dogs, foxes and pigs. Great stuff. Let's lock up more land for nobody to use.
This is what I get when I'm running a Chromium based browser:
Are you unique ?
Yes! You are unique among the 3712390 fingerprints in our entire dataset.
When I'm running Tor, my fingerprint is identical to other Tor users, as far as I know. I can see why one would want to do this, but I'm thinking that it might be better to use a constantly changing fake identity that doesn't raise any suspicions.
-- Edited by dorian on Saturday 3rd of July 2021 01:34:09 PM
Mike Harding said
03:15 PM Jul 3, 2021
I'm not an expert on internet stuff but from the little code I have written in that area I think there is very little reliable information one can extract from a visiting web browser. The site you mention thinks my web browser is Chrome - it isn't, it's Brief which may use the Chrome engine, don't know.
Tor hides one's IP address by nefarious routing and I believe it is only the IP address which can be used to trace an individual source.
To the best of my knowledge Tor is safe - I think you can be assured it would be *all* over the internet if there were known flaws.
Buzz Lightbulb said
06:08 PM Jul 3, 2021
Mike Harding wrote:
I'm not an expert on internet stuff but from the little code I have written in that area I think there is very little reliable information one can extract from a visiting web browser. The site you mention thinks my web browser is Chrome - it isn't, it's Brief which may use the Chrome engine, don't know.
Tor hides one's IP address by nefarious routing and I believe it is only the IP address which can be used to trace an individual source.
To the best of my knowledge Tor is safe - I think you can be assured it would be *all* over the internet if there were known flaws.
There is a lot of information that can be extracted from a Web browser. Such as, IP address, referral page, browser, etcetera, and a lot more from cookies. That's why I use TOR Browser and no tracking. However, as you have mentioned, TOR does help obfuscate this data.
There are plenty of security researchers/commentators who consider a browser fingerprint to be almost as unique as an IP address. A Google search turns up hundreds of thousands of hits.
Mike Harding said
07:25 AM Jul 4, 2021
Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
There is a lot of information that can be extracted from a Web browser. Such as, IP address, referral page, browser, etcetera
IP address? Not via a VPN.
Referral page? There is a place in the data array for such but I've never seen valid data in it from the many people who have visited my website.
Browser? So you are one of 100M people using Firefox....
Probably pinched from the defence force.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/armys-history-of-weapons-theft-20061215-gdp229.html
Thanks for that Dorian. Just as i thought.
Those feral cats are getting bigger all the time you know! :)
I believe this amnesty does not have a cut-off date, which is very sensible.
If you inherit a firearm via a will there is a procedure that allows for it to be registered and a firearms licence issued in order to retain legal possession. But they dont tell you that.
I'm a curious person by nature, and I've always wanted to explore the "Dark Web", but I don't know where the line between curiosity and criminality is drawn. For example, if I download a design for 3D printing a firearm, have I committed a crime, or is it only a crime if I print a weapon?
What if I go window shopping at a web site that offers drugs or firearms or illegal services, something like the Silk Road? I know that some web sites are blacklisted by the Australian government (and enforced by ISPs), but one can still access them via proxies or VPNs.
-- Edited by dorian on Saturday 3rd of July 2021 06:13:16 AM
I would not want to be caught with a file for printing a firearm on my computer Dorian. I have a 3D printer and have occasionally downloaded files from a popular and legal website that offers free downloads of thousands of items. Among them I have noticed are some firearm accessories which it would be Illegal to own in Victoria but although I am curios and it would only take a click of the mouse to have a closer look I have decided to stay well away.
Landy
In at least a couple of states,,yes.. I would need to check which ones.
Too late Dorian! Silk Road is no more but there are plenty of others.
I don't believe possession of plans/design for a firearm is a direct offence but they could try for some oblique "intent" type charge but they'd need good evidence, no reason why you should not have such info purely for interest sake.
Having a poke around the Dark Web is interesting it's also quite difficult to find out where to go, takes some time to learn the ropes. I was disappointed by the amount of child pornography present, far more than I expected, depressing.
You'll need a TOR browser:
Tor browser
The NSW Police web site didn't provide any clarity, but this news article (in 2018) provides yet another reason why this country is so screwed up:
https://www.9news.com.au/national/3d-printed-guns-australia-everything-you-need-to-know-laws-safety-danger-access/4520a96e-3100-4937-87fe-5fc4a9aace63
One would think that gun laws should be a federal jurisdiction. After all, Howard was able to enact federal laws after the Port Arthur massacre, so why can't Morrison do the same? Or have the laws changed since 2018?
By the way, I have already installed Tor. What I don't understand is why all Tor browsers report the same identity. This would immediately alert the authorities that a Tor user is trying to evade scrutiny. Why not report some completely fictitious, unique identity which changes every time the browser is used? Of course any remnants of previous identities need to be securely erased.
The laws Howard pressured the states to enact in 1996 are state not federal laws. Each state has its own firearms act, Howard's objective (or rather his wife's) was to bring them all into line which is, more or less, the case nowadays.
I don't know what a browser identity is?
Tor is a highly secure browser system developed by the US navy with the intention of giving people in "difficult" countries the ability to use the WWW without being traced, I seriously doubt it has any glaring security flaws.
Once numbers build up (and that's guaranteed) the goverment will need to pay to have the numbers reduced. How? You ask.
Poisoning (1080) is the most commonly used, look it up, pretty nasty. Trapping, very labour and time intensive. And best of all and used recently in NPs to reduce deer numbers, shooting from helicopter. Costs an arm and a leg.and all the meat is left to feed the dogs, foxes and pigs. Great stuff. Let's lock up more land for nobody to use.
I guess I meant "browser fingerprint".
https://amiunique.org/fp
This is what I get when I'm running a Chromium based browser:
When I'm running Tor, my fingerprint is identical to other Tor users, as far as I know. I can see why one would want to do this, but I'm thinking that it might be better to use a constantly changing fake identity that doesn't raise any suspicions.
-- Edited by dorian on Saturday 3rd of July 2021 01:34:09 PM
I'm not an expert on internet stuff but from the little code I have written in that area I think there is very little reliable information one can extract from a visiting web browser. The site you mention thinks my web browser is Chrome - it isn't, it's Brief which may use the Chrome engine, don't know.
Tor hides one's IP address by nefarious routing and I believe it is only the IP address which can be used to trace an individual source.
To the best of my knowledge Tor is safe - I think you can be assured it would be *all* over the internet if there were known flaws.
There is a lot of information that can be extracted from a Web browser. Such as, IP address, referral page, browser, etcetera, and a lot more from cookies. That's why I use TOR Browser and no tracking. However, as you have mentioned, TOR does help obfuscate this data.
There are claims that Tor has been compromised.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/02/judge-confirms-what-many-suspected-feds-hired-cmu-to-break-tor/
This web site claims that "Tor is vulnerable to IP leaks, especially with Windows":
https://restoreprivacy.com/browser-fingerprinting/
There are plenty of security researchers/commentators who consider a browser fingerprint to be almost as unique as an IP address. A Google search turns up hundreds of thousands of hits.
IP address? Not via a VPN.
Referral page? There is a place in the data array for such but I've never seen valid data in it from the many people who have visited my website.
Browser? So you are one of 100M people using Firefox....