Sky news commentary tonight suggest that we will rely? on over 200,000 immigrants a year by 2022 again. No study into why we need them, how to house them, how to employ them or most important, any intergration into our society.
Small example: we have in Albury Wodonga a number of Bhutanese immigrants, seem to be law abiding and a peaceful cricket loving lot. Our NSW polly letter today makes reference to a grant to their " community " to assist their older community members with their music to help them through covid.
Am I missing the plot somewhere?
Plain Truth said
08:50 PM May 12, 2021
If they are a law abiding peaceful lot what is the problem with giving them a grant?
Bush walker said
10:13 PM May 12, 2021
What Australia really needs is not an immigration policy, but a deportation policy. All imports that commit a serious criminal offence to be automatically deported back to their country of origin with No appeals and banned from re-entering Australia for life
Izabarack said
06:19 AM May 13, 2021
Craig1 wrote:
Sky news ......
Am I missing the plot somewhere?
Maybe the problem is your news source.
bgt said
08:46 AM May 13, 2021
Immigration is a ponzi scheme. Driven by those who believe more immigration means more customers. We need immigration but only at a rate that is sustainable. A scheme that doesn't take jobs and housing from those already here.
dabbler said
02:54 PM May 13, 2021
There are definite skills shortages in Australia and some of these skills are in great demand globally. Often it's due to industry burnout not training/education low numbers. There certainly would have been research performed to ascertain the numbers and it won't be x number of unskilled people (peak employment groups and professional groups know when and where they need people). When my paternal great grandparents arrived in Australia over 150 yrs ago, they were greeted by newspaper stories that ever so politely suggested they "go home". Thankfully they ignored the Anglo community and stayed. Sky is just whipping an unnecessary frenzy as media has always done. Controlled and measured immigration is good for a country like Australia and I can name a few born and bred Australians I'd like to swap with an immigrant.
Greg 1 said
03:29 PM May 13, 2021
I agree. Controlled immigration is necessary in this country. We have an aging population and without immigration, we will not be replacing the workforce.
Even unskilled labour is needed in regional areas.
Farmers in WA are hard pressed to get seasonal workers. Young Australians don't want to do it and would rather remain home on the dole being supported by the parent bank unless they can work in their dream job.
Different to most of our generation that were prepared to do anything to earn a quid. I bet most of us on here have worked in some pretty ordinary jobs to pay the bills at sometime or another until something better came along.
I was rarely out of work but would give anything a go.
peter67 said
05:35 PM May 13, 2021
Well said Greg.
Craig1 said
09:42 AM May 19, 2021
Queensland alone to spend an extra $100 million for 60 odd beds. One tenth enough to stop ramping at hospitals. How will another 200,000 people help this sad situation. More than a few have died waiting in the past few months.
msg said
01:07 PM May 19, 2021
We would not need those workers, If those same farmers were not producing crops purely for export. Unfortunately, you will note they are also not the mums & dads farmers (in the main, because they have already been bought out) but huge conglomerates making obscene profits with the help of cheap labour.
Consider, who are the ones who are pushing for cheap labour and more immigration? The big influential firms. We as a country do not even benefit very much. All the profits go overseas back to the parent companies. They often own the land. All immigration does for the general population is crowd out local workers and keep pay rates down. It puts huge pressure on the infrastructure. Like the roads we travel on. It is changing the world we live in in ways that are not beneficial to the ordinary Australian on the street.
-- Edited by msg on Wednesday 19th of May 2021 01:08:22 PM
-- Edited by msg on Wednesday 19th of May 2021 01:10:35 PM
I remember back in student days I would do a bit of farm work over the holidays if other employment was not available. I recall the fruit picking experience was good fun but absolutely no money. I would start early in the morning and work in the blazing sun all day with shifts between 10-12 hours. After I paid for accommodation and meals my daily rate would equate to about two hours work behind a bar. It was fun in that there was other young people and it didn't require too much thinking.
A couple of years ago I gave a friend of mine a hand with his orchard. I worked all day on the orange trees from 7am until 6pm and filled two and a bit bins. It is hard work dragging those ladders and yanking at oranges and it was bloody cold. I asked my friend what I would have earned if I was working commercially and he informed me $25 per bin. I only stopped for a few short breaks so actual picking time would have been 10 hours. If he had not been a friend I was helping I would have needed to pay for accommodation and meals out of that princely sum. Now obviously a younger person may have worked more quickly but even if he or she picked three bins, that would be $75 for over ten hours of work.
All this bleating about how scarce labour is just hides the real issue. The pay is rotten and the costs associated with getting there and accommodating yourself takes all the return. I remember when shearers used to come to another friend's property years ago. Tell the shearers they would get paid that amount of money and then find their own accommodation and meals and see what they would have to say. I know what they would say and it would consist of two words.
bgt said
09:29 AM May 20, 2021
Most farm work is hard physical work. The majority of young Australians won't leave the city to do hard work. Double the pay and they still wouldn't do it. I know. I did it for 20 + years. We employed 60+ and to fill a number of those places we had to bring workers into Australia.
Whenarewethere said
10:19 AM May 20, 2021
If one adds up the costs of moving house it is extremely expensive.
We moved 3 metres, moved up one floor in our block of units in 2005. We still had to get removalists to move 6 heavy items.
Friends said that was a cheap move. We answered..... it cost us $25,000 per metre, $10k for the price difference, the rest was legal, real estate & stamp duty fees etc.
It is expensive to pack up & move home even if it is 3 metres!
To add a comment for renters, as we own a few units in our block, our current tenants are moving out of our investment property to another unit in our block of units.
We have got new tenants moving in thet next day so I will have to work overnight & clean the unit. They are great tenants, but it costing them to move & it is costing me 2 weeks rent for administration, steam cleaning carpet & a few other minor things.
Moving home is expensive!
msg said
10:46 AM May 20, 2021
Greg 1 wrote:
I agree. Controlled immigration is necessary in this country. We have an aging population and without immigration, we will not be replacing the workforce. Even unskilled labour is needed in regional areas. Farmers in WA are hard pressed to get seasonal workers. Young Australians don't want to do it and would rather remain home on the dole being supported by the parent bank unless they can work in their dream job. Different to most of our generation that were prepared to do anything to earn a quid. I bet most of us on here have worked in some pretty ordinary jobs to pay the bills at sometime or another until something better came along. I was rarely out of work but would give anything a go.
Controlled immigration is necessary in regional areas. Mmmmmm Where will they live? No high risers out there.
Different to most of our generation that were prepared to do anything to earn a quid. Mmmmm. I guess that would be the case now but unfortunately they don't make a quid.
Sky news commentary tonight suggest that we will rely? on over 200,000 immigrants a year by 2022 again. No study into why we need them, how to house them, how to employ them or most important, any intergration into our society.
Small example: we have in Albury Wodonga a number of Bhutanese immigrants, seem to be law abiding and a peaceful cricket loving lot. Our NSW polly letter today makes reference to a grant to their " community " to assist their older community members with their music to help them through covid.
Am I missing the plot somewhere?
If they are a law abiding peaceful lot what is the problem with giving them a grant?
What Australia really needs is not an immigration policy, but a deportation policy. All imports that commit a serious criminal offence to be automatically deported back to their country of origin with No appeals and banned from re-entering Australia for life
Maybe the problem is your news source.
We would not need those workers, If those same farmers were not producing crops purely for export. Unfortunately, you will note they are also not the mums & dads farmers (in the main, because they have already been bought out) but huge conglomerates making obscene profits with the help of cheap labour.
Consider, who are the ones who are pushing for cheap labour and more immigration? The big influential firms. We as a country do not even benefit very much. All the profits go overseas back to the parent companies. They often own the land. All immigration does for the general population is crowd out local workers and keep pay rates down. It puts huge pressure on the infrastructure. Like the roads we travel on. It is changing the world we live in in ways that are not beneficial to the ordinary Australian on the street.
-- Edited by msg on Wednesday 19th of May 2021 01:08:22 PM
-- Edited by msg on Wednesday 19th of May 2021 01:10:35 PM
I remember back in student days I would do a bit of farm work over the holidays if other employment was not available. I recall the fruit picking experience was good fun but absolutely no money. I would start early in the morning and work in the blazing sun all day with shifts between 10-12 hours. After I paid for accommodation and meals my daily rate would equate to about two hours work behind a bar. It was fun in that there was other young people and it didn't require too much thinking.
A couple of years ago I gave a friend of mine a hand with his orchard. I worked all day on the orange trees from 7am until 6pm and filled two and a bit bins. It is hard work dragging those ladders and yanking at oranges and it was bloody cold. I asked my friend what I would have earned if I was working commercially and he informed me $25 per bin. I only stopped for a few short breaks so actual picking time would have been 10 hours. If he had not been a friend I was helping I would have needed to pay for accommodation and meals out of that princely sum. Now obviously a younger person may have worked more quickly but even if he or she picked three bins, that would be $75 for over ten hours of work.
All this bleating about how scarce labour is just hides the real issue. The pay is rotten and the costs associated with getting there and accommodating yourself takes all the return. I remember when shearers used to come to another friend's property years ago. Tell the shearers they would get paid that amount of money and then find their own accommodation and meals and see what they would have to say. I know what they would say and it would consist of two words.
If one adds up the costs of moving house it is extremely expensive.
We moved 3 metres, moved up one floor in our block of units in 2005. We still had to get removalists to move 6 heavy items.
Friends said that was a cheap move. We answered..... it cost us $25,000 per metre, $10k for the price difference, the rest was legal, real estate & stamp duty fees etc.
It is expensive to pack up & move home even if it is 3 metres!
To add a comment for renters, as we own a few units in our block, our current tenants are moving out of our investment property to another unit in our block of units.
We have got new tenants moving in thet next day so I will have to work overnight & clean the unit. They are great tenants, but it costing them to move & it is costing me 2 weeks rent for administration, steam cleaning carpet & a few other minor things.
Moving home is expensive!
Controlled immigration is necessary in regional areas. Mmmmmm Where will they live? No high risers out there.
Different to most of our generation that were prepared to do anything to earn a quid. Mmmmm. I guess that would be the case now but unfortunately they don't make a quid.