I had a ride in a electric car while in Canberra about 18 months ago Tony. It was shocking, I didn't like it at all. You can't hear the motor. It sort of sounded like I was in The Jetsons. It sounded like that.
You can keep driverless cars too.
landy said
09:26 PM Jan 21, 2021
Tony Bev wrote:
The snip is from an article, which can say it better than me
ACT Budget to offer free registration for electric cars and deliver promised loans scheme
If I have interpreted the article correctly, Canberra is looking at ways to reduce its carbon footprint
Compared with the major polluters like China I don't think Australia would actually have a footprint Tony. maybe a very very small finger print.
Whenarewethere said
10:06 PM Jan 21, 2021
I like a quiet car. Don't want to hear the rubbish outside. The loudest noise is the AT tyres, but that is very well controlled will plenty of acoustic insulation. Our next car will most likely be electric.
There are quite a few electric cars around us but their tyres still make noise.
dorian said
05:56 AM Jan 22, 2021
My understanding is that electric vehicles make artificial noise so that pedestrians can hear them coming. Am I wrong?
erad said
07:36 AM Jan 22, 2021
What about the wildlife (should any of these electric cars ever leave the city)? It is bad enough with a clattering diesel and roaring At tyres - the roos still jump out in front of you, but a 'silent' electric car??? I wonder what the animal impact rates will be compared to fossil fueled cars.
Mike Harding said
07:52 AM Jan 22, 2021
erad wrote:
What about the wildlife (should any of these electric cars ever leave the city)? It is bad enough with a clattering diesel and roaring At tyres - the roos still jump out in front of you, but a 'silent' electric car??? I wonder what the animal impact rates will be compared to fossil fueled cars.
It matters not erad as they will have died for a noble cause... in order that middle class people may once again have a religion....
Possum3 said
08:23 AM Jan 22, 2021
erad wrote:
What about the wildlife (should any of these electric cars ever leave the city)? It is bad enough with a clattering diesel and roaring At tyres - the roos still jump out in front of you, but a 'silent' electric car??? I wonder what the animal impact rates will be compared to fossil fueled cars.
I wonder if the Boffins have taken the "animal strike" into consideration with the silent car/trucks - our neighbor has a Prius and it always scares the bejayzus out of me when backing out of driveway.
Whenarewethere said
08:45 AM Jan 22, 2021
I have a petrol car with turbo & was surprised how quiet it was when we first got it compared to our previous not turbo cars.
The horn works quite well in the outback to warn & clear wildlife from the road.
bgt said
08:46 AM Jan 22, 2021
I know it's illegal but what about hitch hikers? How do they hear an electric car coming? Maybe they will have to walk backwards so as to see them. Would we then have hitch hikers dying in ditches because they weren't looking where they were going? And if you have a black electric car would it then be regarded as Stealth transports?
:)
yobarr said
08:51 AM Jan 22, 2021
erad wrote:
What about the wildlife (should any of these electric cars ever leave the city)? It is bad enough with a clattering diesel and roaring At tyres - the roos still jump out in front of you, but a 'silent' electric car??? I wonder what the animal impact rates will be compared to fossil fueled cars.
You can keep your trendy electric toys.....there's nothing to equal the sound that echoes through the trees when you're driving a little V8,with 3" pipes,out in the bush. Electric cars may be good for those who don't enjoy the simple things in life,but I wouldn't be seen dead in one.And I wonder where all the electricity will come from to power these vehicles? Cheers
dorian said
09:55 AM Jan 22, 2021
yobarr wrote:
... but I wouldn't be seen dead in one.
You had better write that into your will. If you live long enough, hearses will be electric, too.
yobarr said
10:56 AM Jan 22, 2021
dorian wrote:
yobarr wrote:
... but I wouldn't be seen dead in one.
You had better write that into your will. If you live long enough, hearses will be electric, too.
Because I have dug hundreds of graves by hand,I am good friends with a local funeral director...I shall specify that my dead body is to be transported in a V8 ute! Cheers
Greg 1 said
11:08 AM Jan 22, 2021
I'm with you yobarr.
Whilst not a V8, my little Lotus 7 replica sounds very angry on full noise and there is nothing better than a quiet country lane and a fang in the 7. Who needs a stereo.
Whenarewethere said
01:18 PM Jan 22, 2021
dorian wrote:
yobarr wrote:
... but I wouldn't be seen dead in one.
You had better write that into your will. If you live long enough, hearses will be electric, too.
There is a Tesla hearse.
& BBQing will be an electric kiln.
Buzz Lightbulb said
01:24 PM Jan 22, 2021
Compared with the major polluters like China I don't think Australia would actually have a footprint Tony. maybe a very very small finger print.
Not so, Australians have the biggest carbon footprint per capita in the world.
Buzz Lightbulb said
01:31 PM Jan 22, 2021
bgt wrote:
I know it's illegal but what about hitch hikers? How do they hear an electric car coming? Maybe they will have to walk backwards so as to see them. Would we then have hitch hikers dying in ditches because they weren't looking where they were going? And if you have a black electric car would it then be regarded as Stealth transports?
:)
As others have mentioned, most noise of all cars, comes from the tyres except at very slow speeds. Therefore, all animals with ears, including homo sapiens, are likely to hear an electric car on the highway.
Personally, I'd much prefer all cars to be quieter. Hooks, reving their engines and squealing their tyres is a real pain in the ears.
Buzz Lightbulb said
01:33 PM Jan 22, 2021
Greg 1 wrote:
I'm with you yobarr. Whilst not a V8, my little Lotus 7 replica sounds very angry on full noise and there is nothing better than a quiet country lane and a fang in the 7. Who needs a stereo.
The locals to overcome the noisy drivers invading their neighborhood?
yobarr said
01:43 PM Jan 22, 2021
Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
Compared with the major polluters like China I don't think Australia would actually have a footprint Tony. maybe a very very small finger print.
Not so, Australians have the biggest carbon footprint per capita in the world.
Not quite true,but we certainly are up there.However,China has a population 56 times that of Australia,and India's population is 55 times that of Australia.THESE are the countries that should perhaps be looking to take action,as trying to eliminate Australia's 1.07% contribution is akin to piddling into a bush fire.Climate change is a big con job,as we continue to experience that which is no more than a continuation of a weather cycle that has been around for millions of years. I believe that Australia contributes around 32% to the world's coal exports.....do we stop exporting coal altogether? Kids waste hours at school being taught this garbage while their numeracy and literary skills plummet,along with their social skills and manners. Sadly, these semi-literates are likely to be our future leaders.Very sad.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Friday 22nd of January 2021 01:46:14 PM
Whenarewethere said
02:00 PM Jan 22, 2021
Australia's contribution to burning fossil fuel is about 7% then we buy the products others make & blame them for burning our fossil fuel.
yobarr said
02:11 PM Jan 22, 2021
Whenarewethere wrote:
Australia's contribution to burning fossil fuel is about 7% then we buy the products others make & blame them for burning our fossil fuel.
Hi Jonathan....playing with statistics and averages is verysimple,but the figures you are using include our coal exports.Do you seriously think Australia can survive without exporting coal? Cheers
Please explain. The big money tree that many people seem to believe that the Govt can continually pluck money from is beginning to look decidedly unhealthy because of the copious amounts of money handed out weekly to the many thousands of people who simply refuse to work,or purposely make themselves unemployable.And please don't insult those of us who are forced to fund these lifestyles by saying "Derr...there's no work". There is work in abundance for those who are motivated to get off their Rs and do it.Cheers
Whenarewethere said
04:14 PM Jan 22, 2021
Mining employment is a tiny percentage of the Australian workforce & it's getting more remote operated & can be done anywhere in the world.
The bulk of shares in these companies are not owned by us.
They import most of the equipment.
They go into permanent hibernation so they never have to rehabilitate the land when they have quite frankly stopped mining.
Australia it turning into a mining & services country. One doesn't employ anyone & the other doesn't pay anyone!
Gundog said
06:24 PM Jan 22, 2021
I had a first yesterday travelling north on the Bruce Highway in Nth Qld, I overtook my very first Tesla, it was cruising at 90kph, just before dusk headlights on Window down.
I love the tree hugger who always bring out the skewed stats.
I love bloody pollies who give green cars a freeby but its the poor old bugger that will ultimatly pay for their freeby by increased fuel prices and road taxes
landy said
10:05 PM Jan 22, 2021
Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
Compared with the major polluters like China I don't think Australia would actually have a footprint Tony. maybe a very very small finger print.
Not so, Australians have the biggest carbon footprint per capita in the world.
per capita are your words Buzz not mine. and it was a light hearted comment note the little laughing faces.
Buzz Lightbulb said
02:09 PM Jan 23, 2021
yobarr wrote:
Not quite true,but we certainly are up there.However,China has a population 56 times that of Australia,and India's population is 55 times that of Australia.THESE are the countries that should perhaps be looking to take action,as trying to eliminate Australia's 1.07% contribution is akin to piddling into a bush fire.Climate change is a big con job,as we continue to experience that which is no more than a continuation of a weather cycle that has been around for millions of years. I believe that Australia contributes around 32% to the world's coal exports.....do we stop exporting coal altogether? Kids waste hours at school being taught this garbage while their numeracy and literary skills plummet,along with their social skills and manners. Sadly, these semi-literates are likely to be our future leaders.Very sad.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Friday 22nd of January 2021 01:46:14 PM
Everybody should do their but to reduce climate change. Those in the developing countries could say "Why should we do anything when those in the developed countries have profited and now want us to pay for their benefit? "
97% of climate scientists acknowledge that anthropomorthic activity is the major contributor to climate change and it is happening. Those who doubt could ask themselves of the validity of the source of their information. Does the information come from reliable sources such as those 97% of climate scientists or from some shock jock, self interested rich people or politicians who get donations from the fossil fuel companies? Also, the deniers could ask themselves, if 97% of the experts are correct, shouldn't we do something for our offspring?
Australia can survive by not exporting coal. There are more jobs in renewable energy that coal mining and thermal power stations. 'Twiggy' Forrest is investing in green hydrogen and proposes that there'd be more jobs in that industry to provide jobs and retraining for those in the coal industry. Australia has the potential to be a world leader in providing clean energy to overpopulated and under-resourced countries. The trouble is that the Federal Government doesn't have renewable energy policies that businesses can plan their future development. That's why big companies, and not the Government, are investing in solar farms, batteries, High Voltage Direct Current power lines to provide energy to Australia and Singapore.
I'd much prefer to have those who are concerned about their future to be running the country than those who are only concerned about a quick buck, popularism or some other self interest.
Buzz Lightbulb said
02:25 PM Jan 23, 2021
yobarr wrote:
Please explain. The big money tree that many people seem to believe that the Govt can continually pluck money from is beginning to look decidedly unhealthy because of the copious amounts of money handed out weekly to the many thousands of people who simply refuse to work,or purposely make themselves unemployable.And please don't insult those of us who are forced to fund these lifestyles by saying "Derr...there's no work". There is work in abundance for those who are motivated to get off their Rs and do it.Cheers
This is the old 'my slice of pie' misconception. The Australian Reserve Bank has never refused to provide the Federal Government money. Any country that provides its own currency can use Modern Monetary Theory to fund anthing as long as it doesn't oversupply and cause inflation. You do not fund the 'unemployable'. The conservative governments want citizens to believe that taxes are to pay for initiatives but that is wrong. Taxes are used to control inflation.
Inequality is the major issue. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer not because the rich work harder but because they exploit the poor. It has been observed that many young people realise this and are slacking off at work. Inequality may be the one reason why people don't work but underemployment is likely to be another reason.
Mike Harding said
06:07 PM Jan 23, 2021
Buzz Lightbulb wrote:Inequality is the major issue. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer not because the rich work harder but because they exploit the poor. It has been observed that many young people realise this and are slacking off at work. Inequality may be the one reason why people don't work but underemployment is likely to be another reason.
I live in a caravan in the bush.
I wonder what you have done to make the world a fairer and better place?
Buzz Lightbulb said
06:32 PM Jan 23, 2021
Mike Harding wrote:
I live in a caravan in the bush.
I wonder what you have done to make the world a fairer and better place?
I have written to politicians asking them what they are doing about inequality and made many suggestions to them on how they can address the situation. I also vote for those politicians who say that they are addressing the problems.
I don't see the relevance of your living in a caravan in the bush.
The snip is from an article, which can say it better than me
If I have interpreted the article correctly, Canberra is looking at ways to reduce its carbon footprint
Link to article below
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-21/act-electric-vehicles-free-rego-solar-panel-loans-in-budget/13077258
You can keep driverless cars too.
Compared with the major polluters like China I don't think Australia would actually have a footprint Tony. maybe a very very small finger print.
I like a quiet car. Don't want to hear the rubbish outside. The loudest noise is the AT tyres, but that is very well controlled will plenty of acoustic insulation. Our next car will most likely be electric.
There are quite a few electric cars around us but their tyres still make noise.
It matters not erad as they will have died for a noble cause... in order that middle class people may once again have a religion....
I wonder if the Boffins have taken the "animal strike" into consideration with the silent car/trucks - our neighbor has a Prius and it always scares the bejayzus out of me when backing out of driveway.
I have a petrol car with turbo & was surprised how quiet it was when we first got it compared to our previous not turbo cars.
The horn works quite well in the outback to warn & clear wildlife from the road.
:)
You can keep your trendy electric toys.....there's nothing to equal the sound that echoes through the trees when you're driving a little V8,with 3" pipes,out in the bush. Electric cars may be good for those who don't enjoy the simple things in life,but I wouldn't be seen dead in one.And I wonder where all the electricity will come from to power these vehicles? Cheers
You had better write that into your will. If you live long enough, hearses will be electric, too.
Because I have dug hundreds of graves by hand,I am good friends with a local funeral director...I shall specify that my dead body is to be transported in a V8 ute! Cheers
There is a Tesla hearse.
& BBQing will be an electric kiln.
Compared with the major polluters like China I don't think Australia would actually have a footprint Tony. maybe a very very small finger print.
Not so, Australians have the biggest carbon footprint per capita in the world.
As others have mentioned, most noise of all cars, comes from the tyres except at very slow speeds. Therefore, all animals with ears, including homo sapiens, are likely to hear an electric car on the highway.
Personally, I'd much prefer all cars to be quieter. Hooks, reving their engines and squealing their tyres is a real pain in the ears.
The locals to overcome the noisy drivers invading their neighborhood?
Not quite true,but we certainly are up there.However,China has a population 56 times that of Australia,and India's population is 55 times that of Australia.THESE are the countries that should perhaps be looking to take action,as trying to eliminate Australia's 1.07% contribution is akin to piddling into a bush fire.Climate change is a big con job,as we continue to experience that which is no more than a continuation of a weather cycle that has been around for millions of years. I believe that Australia contributes around 32% to the world's coal exports.....do we stop exporting coal altogether? Kids waste hours at school being taught this garbage while their numeracy and literary skills plummet,along with their social skills and manners. Sadly, these semi-literates are likely to be our future leaders.Very sad.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Friday 22nd of January 2021 01:46:14 PM
Australia's contribution to burning fossil fuel is about 7% then we buy the products others make & blame them for burning our fossil fuel.
Hi Jonathan....playing with statistics and averages is verysimple,but the figures you are using include our coal exports.Do you seriously think Australia can survive without exporting coal? Cheers
Yes
Please explain. The big money tree that many people seem to believe that the Govt can continually pluck money from is beginning to look decidedly unhealthy because of the copious amounts of money handed out weekly to the many thousands of people who simply refuse to work,or purposely make themselves unemployable.And please don't insult those of us who are forced to fund these lifestyles by saying "Derr...there's no work". There is work in abundance for those who are motivated to get off their Rs and do it.Cheers
Mining employment is a tiny percentage of the Australian workforce & it's getting more remote operated & can be done anywhere in the world.
The bulk of shares in these companies are not owned by us.
They import most of the equipment.
They go into permanent hibernation so they never have to rehabilitate the land when they have quite frankly stopped mining.
Australia it turning into a mining & services country. One doesn't employ anyone & the other doesn't pay anyone!
I had a first yesterday travelling north on the Bruce Highway in Nth Qld, I overtook my very first Tesla, it was cruising at 90kph, just before dusk headlights on Window down.
I love the tree hugger who always bring out the skewed stats.
I love bloody pollies who give green cars a freeby but its the poor old bugger that will ultimatly pay for their freeby by increased fuel prices and road taxes
per capita are your words Buzz not mine. and it was a light hearted comment note the little laughing faces.
Everybody should do their but to reduce climate change. Those in the developing countries could say "Why should we do anything when those in the developed countries have profited and now want us to pay for their benefit? "
97% of climate scientists acknowledge that anthropomorthic activity is the major contributor to climate change and it is happening. Those who doubt could ask themselves of the validity of the source of their information. Does the information come from reliable sources such as those 97% of climate scientists or from some shock jock, self interested rich people or politicians who get donations from the fossil fuel companies? Also, the deniers could ask themselves, if 97% of the experts are correct, shouldn't we do something for our offspring?
Australia can survive by not exporting coal. There are more jobs in renewable energy that coal mining and thermal power stations. 'Twiggy' Forrest is investing in green hydrogen and proposes that there'd be more jobs in that industry to provide jobs and retraining for those in the coal industry. Australia has the potential to be a world leader in providing clean energy to overpopulated and under-resourced countries. The trouble is that the Federal Government doesn't have renewable energy policies that businesses can plan their future development. That's why big companies, and not the Government, are investing in solar farms, batteries, High Voltage Direct Current power lines to provide energy to Australia and Singapore.
I'd much prefer to have those who are concerned about their future to be running the country than those who are only concerned about a quick buck, popularism or some other self interest.
This is the old 'my slice of pie' misconception. The Australian Reserve Bank has never refused to provide the Federal Government money. Any country that provides its own currency can use Modern Monetary Theory to fund anthing as long as it doesn't oversupply and cause inflation. You do not fund the 'unemployable'. The conservative governments want citizens to believe that taxes are to pay for initiatives but that is wrong. Taxes are used to control inflation.
Inequality is the major issue. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer not because the rich work harder but because they exploit the poor. It has been observed that many young people realise this and are slacking off at work. Inequality may be the one reason why people don't work but underemployment is likely to be another reason.
I live in a caravan in the bush.
I wonder what you have done to make the world a fairer and better place?
I have written to politicians asking them what they are doing about inequality and made many suggestions to them on how they can address the situation. I also vote for those politicians who say that they are addressing the problems.
I don't see the relevance of your living in a caravan in the bush.