I have a problem , with mice and rats at the moment. The town has a plague at the moment. We have used 16 blocks of rat poison, and it has not killed any of them. How do I know, because of mouse 1 having paint on his back, due to me spraying him with a white spray can, and the camera shows him quite happily eating both ratsak and rat blocks. They have now started chewing thru the feed containers, that I have feed for the livestock. This is heavy duty thick plastic, but this doesn't phase them. Those containers have been in the shed for 15 years and never touched before. Looking for 44's to replace them, Have tried traps, and although they are set off , the little vermin are not getting caught. What can I do?, shy of bringing in a carpet snake, which would than be a problem for my little dogs, chooks and goat kids.
-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Tuesday 12th of January 2021 06:45:12 PM
-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Tuesday 12th of January 2021 06:46:26 PM
-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Tuesday 12th of January 2021 06:50:46 PM
Bobdown said
06:56 PM Jan 12, 2021
Hey Ric, I used TOMCAT rat blocks when I used to live in Bridgetown, the neighbours had macadamia trees which the rats loved.
You have to wire them in the tree or somewhere fixed so they can't drag them away, and you see when they are eaten.
Bloody stink when they are dead, you'll find them.
Cheers Bob
dogbox said
07:00 PM Jan 12, 2021
would whole grain flour mixed with plaster of paris work
Tony Bev said
07:01 PM Jan 12, 2021
I once had one mouse in my motorhome, near Stawell Victoria
I purchased a mousetrap in that town, and read the directions, it said to place a smear of peanut butter, on the working end
10 minutes or so, after we went to bed, and put the light out, the mouse got caught
From what I can make out
Mice love peanut butter paste
They stay there licking it, until the spring has sprung
Hope that this info is useful
Bicyclecamper said
07:09 PM Jan 12, 2021
I have tried the peanut trick, but not recently , so will give that ago, will try Tomcat blocks, any more ideas would be helpful as well.
Possum3 said
08:00 PM Jan 12, 2021
We use Tomcat blocks (8kg Pail)
The main targets for the Tomcat rat killer are rats and mice, which cause havoc and trouble in homes.
The rat killer poison is able to eliminate a number of rodents and even pets can fall victim.
The cats can suffocate, but the poison isnt normally strong enough to kill the dogs.
The d-CON brand is one of the best selling rat poisons in the United States. Founded in 1950, d-CON was initially selling rodent control products based on a new chemical compound warfarin.
At that time, the d-CON poison made a breakthrough in the pest management market as a safer alternative to more toxic chemicals.
On the other hand, Tomcat rat poison takes at least 5 days, a week or even two for the rats to die. So, it is clear that Dcon is more lethal than Tomcat.
Due to its popularity and effectiveness, the Dcon rat poison is more costly when compared to Tomcat rat poison. So, you should be ready to spend if you want Dcon.
From Web re Talon;
Selleys Talon Pellets 1Kg Rat Mice
Features One feed is sufficient to kill rats & mice.
Controls species which are resistant to warfarin & bromidioline
Contains human taste deterrent Bitrix which prevents accidental consumption by children
Active ingredient Brodifacoum Can be used: Pellet trays can be used where
there are signs of rodent activity:
Along dark walls and rafters.
In dark sheltered areas.
Mice require several feeding locations not more than 3m apart. Rats require large quantities of bait placed in 1 or 2 locations, not more than 9m apart. For effective control continue to bait until feeding ceases. Most rodent deaths occur 4 to 7 days after consumption of bait, but deaths may occur for up to 2 weeks.
Do not let cats or dogs eat poisoned mice and rats.
More Info
Where it is suspected that additional rodents may be entering the building or activity has not stopped after approximately 2 weeks, then it is recommended to try pulse baiting. This involves baiting for 3 to 4 days then taking them away for approximately 1 week, then baiting again for 3 to 4 days and repeat the cycle until activity ceases. In more infested areas 3 to 4 cycles will usually be sufficent. Only one feed required to kill rodents within 14 days. If activity continues then additional rodents are present. In general, once poisoning has commenced, rodents will be attracted to the nearest available source of water. Ensuring sources of water inside the building are covered or removed will assist in ensuring rodent leave the building before dying. While rodents do readily consume Talon, if other food sources are available they may choose to eat that instead of the Talon. By removing other sources of food the rodents will naturally tend to consume the Talon.
Recoup said
08:01 PM Jan 12, 2021
Try the new vaccine ,that will fix them, cheers
Bicyclecamper said
09:43 PM Jan 12, 2021
I need the rats and mice to stay inside the sheds, so maybe put water in there, as my dog has already consumed a dead mouse and was very sick for a week. He is ok now. May also just go mad with traps. Don't like the idea of a painful death for the vermin ( had not really wanted to think about how they die after eating baits, so will try alternatives), am not really cruel myself. So will try again with a prolific amount of the quick death traps.
-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Tuesday 12th of January 2021 09:46:30 PM
Old and Grey said
12:46 AM Jan 13, 2021
Hi Bicyclecamper,
Know how you feel. You name it, Ive tried it. Till I brought a rat cage $35-36 from Bunnings and put smoth Peanut butter from Aldi@ $2.75
Rats are VERY VERY SMART. They smell humans and their sent a mile away.
Take a rubber glove or two to Bunning's when you do buy and dont touch the cage with bear hands EVER.
Rats and mice use fence lines and walls to travel along The cage needs to be against one of these.
They used to eat the skin off our mangos on the trees.
We own four of these traps now. In the past twelve months We have traped 46 rats and counting.
I smear the peanut butter around the entrance to the trap so they get used to the oily smell. Plus the same again 2-3 feet along the fence. They may take a few days to get caught. Its the only way IMO.
They come from the next door neighbors hording. Council does stuff all to fix the problem. I drown them in a 20lt bucket of water cage and all.
Hope this helps you.
Grey
Whenarewethere said
01:28 AM Jan 13, 2021
A tiny bit of bacon on a trap & they won't know what hit them!
Maybe put on a hazmat suit on, night vision head gear, semi auto .22 with silencer fitted, camp chair, spread peanut butter around and do target practice. Not your fault f the little buggers run in the path of the target.
Bicyclecamper said
06:47 AM Jan 13, 2021
Dougwe, I have actually done that, but not with a silencer, just sat in a shed on a property I was working at and shot maybe 100 rats a night, for 10 nights, did not make a dent, but proved to boss that, I was having a serious go at getting them.
Relax-n said
08:49 AM Jan 13, 2021
I have heard, I am not saying that works, but it does sound feasible......
In a large drum, a 44, in the bottom some grain soaked in 10 80 poison, (which can sometimes be obtained with permission from Council , during rodent plague), and some form of ladder or ramp to open top of drum. They climb up, smell grain, jump in, eat poison, die and are contained in drum.
Another I have heard is similar but used water so they drown in drum. An upright (half height of drum) is fixed to the bottom of the drum with a tub of something yummy in a tin or jar fixed to the top of the upright. Water in drum to below yummies. Rodents smell yummies, jump in, cant swim forever and drown. No poisoned rodent for the cat or dog to eat, dead ones contained in drum.
Again, I do not know if these work, but if all else fails, possibly worth a go.
You could always get the local kids out and give them target practice with slug guns..........
Good luck.
Possum3 said
08:52 AM Jan 13, 2021
Ric, if you wish to be "Humane" and are licenced to use Firearms - you can use .22 cal Ratshot www.rebelgunworks.com.au/collections/rimfire-ammo/type_birdshot-ratshot. I stopped using it as it tends to block the rifling so now I use the .410 (baby shotgun) for
one-off vermin targeting - a bit savage on furniture for in the house vermin eradication, so we now use Tomcat baits exclusively. Note; Tomcat also manufacture mechanical mouse-traps.
Hovex Naphalene Flakes is a product that will keep mice away from cupboards but it is almost impossible to obtain in the big Grocery stores anymore - but available on-line.
Bicyclecamper said
11:31 PM Jan 13, 2021
I have done the drowning bucket, where they tiptoe out on the plank , over balance and fall, in, these are things I have forgotten, will try everything, by the way, we have been to all these towns in the last week and no traps and very little bait available: Tamworth, Armidale, Glen Innes, Inverell. Not traps to be had.
dogbox said
01:55 PM Jan 14, 2021
Relax-n wrote:
I have heard, I am not saying that works, but it does sound feasible......
In a large drum, a 44, in the bottom some grain soaked in 10 80 poison, (which can sometimes be obtained with permission from Council , during rodent plague), and some form of ladder or ramp to open top of drum. They climb up, smell grain, jump in, eat poison, die and are contained in drum.
Another I have heard is similar but used water so they drown in drum. An upright (half height of drum) is fixed to the bottom of the drum with a tub of something yummy in a tin or jar fixed to the top of the upright. Water in drum to below yummies. Rodents smell yummies, jump in, cant swim forever and drown. No poisoned rodent for the cat or dog to eat, dead ones contained in drum.
Again, I do not know if these work, but if all else fails, possibly worth a go.
You could always get the local kids out and give them target practice with slug guns..........
Good luck.
local kids with slug guns would not think there would be many around these days
Possum3 said
02:09 PM Jan 14, 2021
dogbox wrote:
local kids with slug guns would not think there would be many around these days
Not with them now classified as Firearms and subject to same laws as a 12 Gauge.
hako said
02:32 PM Jan 15, 2021
We tried that a few years ago using plain flour and plaster of Paris 50/50 and a bowl of water nearby. They loved the stuff and left white t*rds behind.
I'm guessing the acid in the rodent's stomach reacts with the alkaline plaster of Paris stopping it from setting in their gut.
Good Luck
Detecta said
10:01 AM Jan 17, 2021
There are many successful multi catch mouse/rat traps you can make. have a look on youtube. www.youtube.com/watch
Bicyclecamper said
12:43 PM Jan 17, 2021
My wife bought the last mouse and rat electronic, deterrer in the New England, placed it in the outside laundry, after cleaning up the turds, we have not seen a new turd in there for 3 days, so if that thing is really working, will try and source one for the shed.
spida said
01:49 PM Jan 17, 2021
I have used this with great success for mice. Either water or poison in the bottom depending on how you want to dispose of them Friend used a bigger version with a drum & water for rats in his sheds.
-- Edited by spida on Sunday 17th of January 2021 01:56:36 PM
I have a problem , with mice and rats at the moment. The town has a plague at the moment. We have used 16 blocks of rat poison, and it has not killed any of them. How do I know, because of mouse 1 having paint on his back, due to me spraying him with a white spray can, and the camera shows him quite happily eating both ratsak and rat blocks. They have now started chewing thru the feed containers, that I have feed for the livestock. This is heavy duty thick plastic, but this doesn't phase them. Those containers have been in the shed for 15 years and never touched before. Looking for 44's to replace them, Have tried traps, and although they are set off , the little vermin are not getting caught. What can I do?, shy of bringing in a carpet snake, which would than be a problem for my little dogs, chooks and goat kids.
-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Tuesday 12th of January 2021 06:45:12 PM
-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Tuesday 12th of January 2021 06:46:26 PM
-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Tuesday 12th of January 2021 06:50:46 PM
Hey Ric, I used TOMCAT rat blocks when I used to live in Bridgetown, the neighbours had macadamia trees which the rats loved.
You have to wire them in the tree or somewhere fixed so they can't drag them away, and you see when they are eaten.
Bloody stink when they are dead, you'll find them.
Cheers Bob
I once had one mouse in my motorhome, near Stawell Victoria
I purchased a mousetrap in that town, and read the directions, it said to place a smear of peanut butter, on the working end
10 minutes or so, after we went to bed, and put the light out, the mouse got caught
From what I can make out
Hope that this info is useful
The main targets for the Tomcat rat killer are rats and mice, which cause havoc and trouble in homes.
The rat killer poison is able to eliminate a number of rodents and even pets can fall victim.
The cats can suffocate, but the poison isnt normally strong enough to kill the dogs.
The d-CON brand is one of the best selling rat poisons in the United States. Founded in 1950, d-CON was initially selling rodent control products based on a new chemical compound warfarin.
At that time, the d-CON poison made a breakthrough in the pest management market as a safer alternative to more toxic chemicals.
On the other hand, Tomcat rat poison takes at least 5 days, a week or even two for the rats to die. So, it is clear that Dcon is more lethal than Tomcat.
Due to its popularity and effectiveness, the Dcon rat poison is more costly when compared to Tomcat rat poison. So, you should be ready to spend if you want Dcon.
From Web re Talon;
Selleys Talon Pellets 1Kg Rat Mice
Features One feed is sufficient to kill rats & mice.
Controls species which are resistant to warfarin & bromidioline
Contains human taste deterrent Bitrix which prevents accidental consumption by children
Active ingredient Brodifacoum Can be used: Pellet trays can be used where
there are signs of rodent activity:
Along dark walls and rafters.
In dark sheltered areas.
Mice require several feeding locations not more than 3m apart. Rats require large quantities of bait placed in 1 or 2 locations, not more than 9m apart. For effective control continue to bait until feeding ceases. Most rodent deaths occur 4 to 7 days after consumption of bait, but deaths may occur for up to 2 weeks.
Do not let cats or dogs eat poisoned mice and rats.
More Info
Where it is suspected that additional rodents may be entering the building or activity has not stopped after approximately 2 weeks, then it is recommended to try pulse baiting. This involves baiting for 3 to 4 days then taking them away for approximately 1 week, then baiting again for 3 to 4 days and repeat the cycle until activity ceases. In more infested areas 3 to 4 cycles will usually be sufficent. Only one feed required to kill rodents within 14 days. If activity continues then additional rodents are present. In general, once poisoning has commenced, rodents will be attracted to the nearest available source of water. Ensuring sources of water inside the building are covered or removed will assist in ensuring rodent leave the building before dying. While rodents do readily consume Talon, if other food sources are available they may choose to eat that instead of the Talon. By removing other sources of food the rodents will naturally tend to consume the Talon.
I need the rats and mice to stay inside the sheds, so maybe put water in there, as my dog has already consumed a dead mouse and was very sick for a week. He is ok now. May also just go mad with traps. Don't like the idea of a painful death for the vermin ( had not really wanted to think about how they die after eating baits, so will try alternatives), am not really cruel myself. So will try again with a prolific amount of the quick death traps.
-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Tuesday 12th of January 2021 09:46:30 PM
Hi Bicyclecamper,
Know how you feel. You name it, Ive tried it. Till I brought a rat cage $35-36 from Bunnings and put smoth Peanut butter from Aldi@ $2.75
Rats are VERY VERY SMART. They smell humans and their sent a mile away.
Take a rubber glove or two to Bunning's when you do buy and dont touch the cage with bear hands EVER.
Rats and mice use fence lines and walls to travel along The cage needs to be against one of these.
They used to eat the skin off our mangos on the trees.
We own four of these traps now. In the past twelve months We have traped 46 rats and counting.
I smear the peanut butter around the entrance to the trap so they get used to the oily smell. Plus the same again 2-3 feet along the fence. They may take a few days to get caught. Its the only way IMO.
They come from the next door neighbors hording. Council does stuff all to fix the problem. I drown them in a 20lt bucket of water cage and all.
Hope this helps you.
Grey
A tiny bit of bacon on a trap & they won't know what hit them!
I have heard, I am not saying that works, but it does sound feasible......
In a large drum, a 44, in the bottom some grain soaked in 10 80 poison, (which can sometimes be obtained with permission from Council , during rodent plague), and some form of ladder or ramp to open top of drum. They climb up, smell grain, jump in, eat poison, die and are contained in drum.
Another I have heard is similar but used water so they drown in drum. An upright (half height of drum) is fixed to the bottom of the drum with a tub of something yummy in a tin or jar fixed to the top of the upright. Water in drum to below yummies. Rodents smell yummies, jump in, cant swim forever and drown. No poisoned rodent for the cat or dog to eat, dead ones contained in drum.
Again, I do not know if these work, but if all else fails, possibly worth a go.
You could always get the local kids out and give them target practice with slug guns..........
Good luck.
one-off vermin targeting - a bit savage on furniture for in the house vermin eradication, so we now use Tomcat baits exclusively. Note; Tomcat also manufacture mechanical mouse-traps.
Hovex Naphalene Flakes is a product that will keep mice away from cupboards but it is almost impossible to obtain in the big Grocery stores anymore - but available on-line.
local kids with slug guns would not think there would be many around these days
Not with them now classified as Firearms and subject to same laws as a 12 Gauge.
We tried that a few years ago using plain flour and plaster of Paris 50/50 and a bowl of water nearby. They loved the stuff and left white t*rds behind.
I'm guessing the acid in the rodent's stomach reacts with the alkaline plaster of Paris stopping it from setting in their gut.
Good Luck
I have used this with great success for mice. Either water or poison in the bottom depending on how you want to dispose of them Friend used a bigger version with a drum & water for rats in his sheds.
-- Edited by spida on Sunday 17th of January 2021 01:56:36 PM
Brilliant. One could do the same across the top of a 240L wheelie bin.