I see there is a call for Aussies to boycott Australian wineries with links to China, cant say I blame people, I certainly wont be buying their products, or anything else made in China where there is a viable alternative.
Lists of wineries and brands with links to China, along with captions encouraging consumers to boycott them, are being circulated on social media via a Facebook page
I see there is a call for Aussies to boycott Australian wineries with links to China, cant say I blame people, I certainly wont be buying their products, or anything else made in China where there is a viable alternative.
Lists of wineries and brands with links to China, along with captions encouraging consumers to boycott them, are being circulated on social media via a Facebook page
Bit hard to detect what they have their fingers in. Sometimes a third party is used and we never know. Might be made in Aust but O/S owned!!
Dick.
bgt said
08:21 AM Dec 16, 2020
Don't forget these businesses employ Australians. You boycott them and you may be responsible for putting them out of work!
Santa said
08:58 AM Dec 16, 2020
bgt wrote:
Don't forget these businesses employ Australians. You boycott them and you may be responsible for putting them out of work!
So be it, someone needs to have the courage to draw a line in the sand.
I suspect the tariffs the Chinese are imposing on Australian produce and minerals will also put a lot of Australians out of work.
I doubt anything we do will prevent the eventual take over of Australia by the Chinese, they are growing bolder by the day.
Wanda said
10:19 AM Dec 16, 2020
bgt wrote:
Don't forget these businesses employ Australians. You boycott them and you may be responsible for putting them out of work!
Have to agree with bgt, a bit small minded to just target one industry when you consider how many things we all own coming out of China. I can understand the frustration for sure, I feel the same, but what we can do?. Well that is a hard one.
The way I look at it, Scomo opened his big mouth, maybe now he and his cronies have to expect the ramifications of his chest beating.
Sorry, is that tooo political!!
Ian
bgt said
11:44 AM Dec 16, 2020
Boycotting an 'exporter' isn't that smart. If you want to boycott anything then boycott the imports. But remember that all of the importers and exporters employ Australian and pay their taxes.
Long term the only answer is to find new markets. IMHO Australian exporters have been lazy. Seen China as a huge cash cow. Now the cows is nolonger giving milk!
If it was me in charge I would turn off the iron ore supply. China would squeal big time about breaking agreements. Stiff. BUT And a BIG BUT. The but is what do you do with all the unemployed workers in the iron ore industry? Sounds simple. But it's not. And Scomo has the backing of the vast majority of Australians re China. So it's a long bow to start blaming him.
The alternative is to bend over and let China ........... us.
Wanda said
01:02 PM Dec 16, 2020
bgt wrote:
Long term the only answer is to find new markets. IMHO Australian exporters have been lazy. Seen China as a huge cash cow. Now the cows is nolonger giving milk!
I
I think this says it all, lazy. The old saying"having ALL your eggs in the one basket" comes to mind. I know China is not our only trade partner but still I have always thought we rely far tooo much on them. All good while your all friendly/buddy buddy but what happens when you have a dissagreement!
The last thing you need is your "leader" standing alone beating his chest trying to look big and macho?
There are other platforms available to our leaders than that!
Yes I know a lot of people do admire Scomos stand, well , 75mill people voted for you know who. I REST MY CASE
cheers
Ian
-- Edited by Wanda on Wednesday 16th of December 2020 01:03:15 PM
Mike Harding said
01:08 PM Dec 16, 2020
Wanda wrote:The way I look at it, Scomo opened his big mouth, maybe now he and his cronies have to expect the ramifications of his chest beating.
You mean if Morrison had not mentioned the doctored photo and not called for an inquiry into Covid everything would be OK and the Chinese would still love us, is that right?
I think you need to look at a much, much larger picture than currently seems to be within your field of vision.
bgt said
01:34 PM Dec 16, 2020
Mike there are always some Australians who want to hide behind someone else skirt.
Wanda said
03:30 PM Dec 16, 2020
Mike Harding wrote:
Wanda wrote:The way I look at it, Scomo opened his big mouth, maybe now he and his cronies have to expect the ramifications of his chest beating.
You mean if Morrison had not mentioned the doctored photo and not called for an inquiry into Covid everything would be OK and the Chinese would still love us, is that right?
I think you need to look at a much, much larger picture than currently seems to be within your field of vision.
Nothing wrong with my vision MH,ha, excuse me, I'm not entitled to an opinion though according to you
I am referring to Morrison originally standing up there demanding an inquiry as to the Corona outbreak. I think it could have been done a lot more diplomatically through other world platforms rather than standing on his "own" trying to gather votes. It was purely a vote catching exercise, IN MY OPINION, that has now put us at loggerheads with China. I think it would be fair to say, "thats a fact!"
China's population 1,439,323,776 people V Australia 25,499,884
Yep that gives us some bargaining power does'nt it............NOT!
regards
Ian
-- Edited by Wanda on Wednesday 16th of December 2020 04:29:32 PM
-- Edited by Wanda on Wednesday 16th of December 2020 04:30:31 PM
Wanda said
03:32 PM Dec 16, 2020
bgt wrote:
Mike there are always some Australians who want to hide behind someone else skirt.
Who's hiding, really!
regards
Ian
bgt said
04:06 PM Dec 16, 2020
Wanda standing back and letting others 'go over the top' is IMHO hiding behind someone's skirt.
Wanda said
04:20 PM Dec 16, 2020
bgt wrote:
Wanda standing back and letting others 'go over the top' is IMHO hiding behind someone's skirt.
Talking in riddles is almost as bad, I am still not entirely sure what both of your responses, I think to my post, are about.
What a difference of opinion on what or about who I commented ????? I am really not sure.
Wanda you 'blamed' Morrison for opening his mouth as the root cause of the China relationship Australia now finds itself in. My response was to point out that standing behind someone else skirt is not on for most Australians. Morrison has to stand up for Australia's interest. What else do you expect him to do?
msg that is dated back to August. Besides no one has ever said NO Chinese investment in Australia. Just those that fail the national interest test.
Wanda said
05:36 PM Dec 16, 2020
bgt wrote:
Wanda you 'blamed' Morrison for opening his mouth as the root cause of the China relationship Australia now finds itself in. My response was to point out that standing behind someone else skirt is not on for most Australians. Morrison has to stand up for Australia's interest. What else do you expect him to do?
Get off your high horse bgt about "not on for most Australians", since when did you get given the license to speak for "most" Australians.
I edited my post to clarify my point to Mr MH, here is the quote I reposted
"I am referring to Morrison originally standing up there demanding an inquiry as to the Corona outbreak. I think it could have been done a lot more diplomatically through other world platforms rather than standing on his "own" trying to gather votes. It was purely a vote catching exercise, IN MY OPINION, that has now put us at loggerheads with China. I think it would be fair to say, "thats a fact!"
China's population 1,439,323,776 people V Australia 25,499,884
Yep that gives us some bargaining power does'nt it............NOT! end of edited post.
I stand by what I said, but, it is only an opinion, my opinion, and yes you are entitled to dissagree, its just how you go about it!!!
regards
Ian
Still can't get my head around your comment "hide behind someone else skirt". A bit like"some mothers do have em"
bgt said
06:02 PM Dec 16, 2020
I'm past trying to explain things to people who read between the lines.
Yes we are both entitled to differing opinions. That's what makes Australia what it is.
Opinion polls have told us the majority of Australians back Morrison. Not my opinion. Just quoting what the polls say.
Mike Harding said
06:29 PM Dec 16, 2020
Wanda wrote: Nothing wrong with my vision MH,ha, excuse me, I'm not entitled to an opinion though according to you
Please indicate where I said anything of the sort Wanda.
msg said
07:22 PM Dec 16, 2020
In August they announced that Chinese steel producer Yansteel was offering $143 million in return for a 50 per cent stake in the mine and a 9 per cent stake in Sheffield, but the deal would need approval from the Foreign Investment Review Board (FIRB) and the Federal Treasurer .
Today the Chinese buy-in gained approval from the Commonwealth and the FIRB. BGT i read it that it was approved by the FIRB today. Its a current ABC article.
montie said
08:33 PM Dec 16, 2020
Governments back to the 80's have sold our manufacturing and productive base in the interest of supposed "free trade agreements". These free trade agreements never favour Australia...we give them what they need and we get all the crap that we don't need. It's time to send a savvy negotiator on these "free trade" missions....we are being bluffed..
-- Edited by montie on Wednesday 16th of December 2020 08:34:43 PM
-- Edited by montie on Wednesday 16th of December 2020 08:35:28 PM
Whenarewethere said
09:41 PM Dec 16, 2020
Canada has trade issues with China. I think we have to start looking at all the products that come into Australia to make sure they comply to health & safety standards.
Canadian inspectors intercepted nearly 900 food products from China over concerns about faulty labels, unmentioned allergens and harmful contaminants that included glass and metal between 2017 and early 2019, according to internal federal records
Canada has trade issues with China. I think we have to start looking at all the products that come into Australia to make sure they comply to health & safety standards.
Canadian inspectors intercepted nearly 900 food products from China over concerns about faulty labels, unmentioned allergens and harmful contaminants that included glass and metal between 2017 and early 2019, according to internal federal records
Agree. And put a 10% tariff on all unprocessed exports sold to China. Esp iron ore and ALL coal.
Santa said
08:36 AM Dec 17, 2020
Crikey! this thread went downhill fast.
Back to the subject of Chinese ownership of Australian wineries.
My wife called into a bottle shop yesterday to pick up a few bottles of white, whilst browsing the person in charge asked if he could help, she let him know what she was after and also mentioned she only wanted wine produced by Australian owned wineries, his response was its a frequently asked question, difficult to answer because labels give no clue as to ownership.
Half of the Clare Valley is now in the hands of Chinese interests, I imagine a similar situation exists in other states.
We go out of our way to buy Australian produce, why not extend the practice to foreign ownership?
BarneyBDB said
12:45 AM Dec 18, 2020
Within a ten minute drive of our place in Adelaide there are three brand new Chinese owned wine bottling plants, all the product is exported to China. The dumping of Australian wine on China is a fact, but it is not us doing it...
The Belmont Bear said
07:27 AM Dec 18, 2020
Wanda if I remember Neville Chamberlain prior to the start of WW2 tried to appease Germany's aggression by saying all the right things he even signed a non aggression pact with them unfortunately we know how that one turned out.. I think our PMs biggest problem is not his criticism it's that by leading the charge he is seen by China as being nothing more than an attack dog of the US - we need to be criticising them but as part of a united front along with other like minded countries. In reality a nation our size of is nothing more than an annoyance to them and in their words we are "like chewing gum stuck on their shoe"..
BB
Wanda said
08:56 AM Dec 18, 2020
Yes BB I agree, which is what I was saying, we are so small a country to China the last thing we need is our PM standing up(on his own) beating his chest, in my opinion only a popular vote getting excercise.
Obviously the source of the virus Should be thoroughly investigated, thats a no brainer, but we Australia should not be the ones sticking our neck out. As I quoted, just look at the population figures, Aus v China. There are other options our PM should have gone down I think, although the task is more difficult with the orange idiot in the US
Must admit don't know a lot about the Chamberlain issue but so true.
regards
Ian
littledick said
01:28 PM Dec 18, 2020
Good on Morrison. It's about time someone from Gov took a stand. As for us seeing China as a cash cow, yeah right, other way around.
Their treating us like the proverbial sheep. We certainly try to stop purchasing anything from there, hard as it is.
Dick.
yobarr said
06:12 PM Dec 18, 2020
Wanda wrote:
Yes BB I agree, which is what I was saying, we are so small a country to China the last thing we need is our PM standing up(on his own) beating his chest, in my opinion only a popular vote getting excercise.
Obviously the source of the virus Should be thoroughly investigated, thats a no brainer, but we Australia should not be the ones sticking our neck out. As I quoted, just look at the population figures, Aus v China. There are other options our PM should have gone down I think, although the task is more difficult with the orange idiot in the US
Must admit don't know a lot about the Chamberlain issue but so true.
regards Ian
Ian,if you think that you can do better than the great job that Scott Morrison is doing in handling this crisis,perhaps you could offer yourself for election to parliament? Or are you one of the many who is happy to sit back and let Australia be bullied into submission by this super power? And when China owns Australia,either by buying everything outright,by bribery,or by military force,will you be among the first to bleat and moan that the "Gummint din do enough"? As for your comment "...there are other options our PM should have gone down" (sic) perhaps you would be kind enough to enlighten us as to what these "other options" may be? One of the first lessons you learn in life is that if you let yourself be bullied, with no retaliatory actions,the bullying will quickly escalate.Or do you think Mr Morrison should simply have run and hid behind the USA's president,hanging on to his shirt tail? Personally,Î'm all for severing ties with China,and again starting manufacturing in Australia.There is another country,India I think, that imports twice as much of our coal as does China,and there will no doubt be many other world markets for our "good" coal? China needs our quality iron ore,so perhaps this would give us some greater bargaining power when the chips are really down.Everybody is entitled to an opinion,and everybody is entitled to criticise,but without a viable alternative strategy being offered,any such criticism lacks substance.You,no doubt have heard of the Chinese building a $200 million "fisheries business" a mere 200km from our shores,in an area where there are few,if any,fish? Luckily for our country,this is merely a "fisheries business".Yeah,right.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Friday 18th of December 2020 07:20:08 PM
Wanda said
07:17 PM Dec 18, 2020
Yobar, thankyou so much, your comments have just confirmed an opinion I have held for years of you. Thanks for not dissappointing
Regards and try and have a merry xmas
Ian
yobarr said
07:46 PM Dec 18, 2020
littledick wrote:
Good on Morrison. It's about time someone from Gov took a stand. As for us seeing China as a cash cow, yeah right, other way around.
Their treating us like the proverbial sheep. We certainly try to stop purchasing anything from there, hard as it is.
Dick.
Well said Richard...I struggle to understand the "let them do what they want" mentality.In many ways,it is our own fault.People buy "cheap" rubbbish from overseas,at prices much lower than the price of goods manufacturned in Australia. Because they can't compete,Australian manufacturers then close their businesses,putting many thousands of people out of work. These same people then bleat and moan that the "Gummint" isn't looking after them,when Blind Freddy can see that the unemployment problems they face were caused by nobody but themselves.It is flawed thinking to believe that everybody else should buy Australian goods,while you are happy to buy cheap rubbish from overseas,then expecting others to buy Australian goods to keep our manufacturers in business.An example was the Ford factory in Geelong,where I was lucky (?) enough to live after an ex decided she loved Belmont,and I bought a property for her.There were hundreds of cars in the staff carpark,but not a Ford in sight.....and then these workers wonder why the Ford factory closed? For your own financial security,and the future of Australia,it is better to buy Australian products.Sure,you may pay a couple of dollars more,but you will be creating Australian jobs,and in the long run,we all will be better off.Cheers.
I see there is a call for Aussies to boycott Australian wineries with links to China, cant say I blame people, I certainly wont be buying their products, or anything else made in China where there is a viable alternative.
Lists of wineries and brands with links to China, along with captions encouraging consumers to boycott them, are being circulated on social media via a Facebook page
Vino e Amigos
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9037255/Furious-Aussies-vow-boycott-nations-biggest-wine-brands-selling-China.html
Bit hard to detect what they have their fingers in. Sometimes a third party is used and we never know. Might be made in Aust but O/S owned!!
Dick.
So be it, someone needs to have the courage to draw a line in the sand.
I suspect the tariffs the Chinese are imposing on Australian produce and minerals will also put a lot of Australians out of work.
I doubt anything we do will prevent the eventual take over of Australia by the Chinese, they are growing bolder by the day.
Have to agree with bgt, a bit small minded to just target one industry when you consider how many things we all own coming out of China. I can understand the frustration for sure, I feel the same, but what we can do?. Well that is a hard one.
The way I look at it, Scomo opened his big mouth, maybe now he and his cronies have to expect the ramifications of his chest beating.
Sorry, is that tooo political!!
Ian
Long term the only answer is to find new markets. IMHO Australian exporters have been lazy. Seen China as a huge cash cow. Now the cows is nolonger giving milk!
If it was me in charge I would turn off the iron ore supply. China would squeal big time about breaking agreements. Stiff. BUT And a BIG BUT. The but is what do you do with all the unemployed workers in the iron ore industry? Sounds simple. But it's not. And Scomo has the backing of the vast majority of Australians re China. So it's a long bow to start blaming him.
The alternative is to bend over and let China ........... us.
I think this says it all, lazy. The old saying"having ALL your eggs in the one basket" comes to mind. I know China is not our only trade partner but still I have always thought we rely far tooo much on them. All good while your all friendly/buddy buddy but what happens when you have a dissagreement!
The last thing you need is your "leader" standing alone beating his chest trying to look big and macho?
There are other platforms available to our leaders than that!
Yes I know a lot of people do admire Scomos stand, well , 75mill people voted for you know who. I REST MY CASE
cheers
Ian
-- Edited by Wanda on Wednesday 16th of December 2020 01:03:15 PM
You mean if Morrison had not mentioned the doctored photo and not called for an inquiry into Covid everything would be OK and the Chinese would still love us, is that right?
I think you need to look at a much, much larger picture than currently seems to be within your field of vision.
Nothing wrong with my vision MH,ha, excuse me, I'm not entitled to an opinion though according to you
I am referring to Morrison originally standing up there demanding an inquiry as to the Corona outbreak. I think it could have been done a lot more diplomatically through other world platforms rather than standing on his "own" trying to gather votes. It was purely a vote catching exercise, IN MY OPINION, that has now put us at loggerheads with China. I think it would be fair to say, "thats a fact!"
China's population 1,439,323,776 people V Australia 25,499,884
Yep that gives us some bargaining power does'nt it............NOT!
regards
Ian
-- Edited by Wanda on Wednesday 16th of December 2020 04:29:32 PM
-- Edited by Wanda on Wednesday 16th of December 2020 04:30:31 PM
Who's hiding, really!
regards
Ian
Talking in riddles is almost as bad, I am still not entirely sure what both of your responses, I think to my post, are about.
What a difference of opinion on what or about who I commented ????? I am really not sure.
Have a good xmas all the same
Ian
msg that is dated back to August. Besides no one has ever said NO Chinese investment in Australia. Just those that fail the national interest test.
Get off your high horse bgt about "not on for most Australians", since when did you get given the license to speak for "most" Australians.
I edited my post to clarify my point to Mr MH, here is the quote I reposted
"I am referring to Morrison originally standing up there demanding an inquiry as to the Corona outbreak. I think it could have been done a lot more diplomatically through other world platforms rather than standing on his "own" trying to gather votes. It was purely a vote catching exercise, IN MY OPINION, that has now put us at loggerheads with China. I think it would be fair to say, "thats a fact!"
China's population 1,439,323,776 people V Australia 25,499,884
Yep that gives us some bargaining power does'nt it............NOT! end of edited post.
I stand by what I said, but, it is only an opinion, my opinion, and yes you are entitled to dissagree, its just how you go about it!!!
regards
Ian
Still can't get my head around your comment "hide behind someone else skirt". A bit like"some mothers do have em"
Please indicate where I said anything of the sort Wanda.
Today the Chinese buy-in gained approval from the Commonwealth and the FIRB. BGT i read it that it was approved by the FIRB today. Its a current ABC article.
Governments back to the 80's have sold our manufacturing and productive base in the interest of supposed "free trade agreements".
These free trade agreements never favour Australia...we give them what they need and we get all the crap that we don't need.
It's time to send a savvy negotiator on these "free trade" missions....we are being bluffed..
-- Edited by montie on Wednesday 16th of December 2020 08:34:43 PM
-- Edited by montie on Wednesday 16th of December 2020 08:35:28 PM
Canada has trade issues with China. I think we have to start looking at all the products that come into Australia to make sure they comply to health & safety standards.
Canadian inspectors intercepted nearly 900 food products from China over concerns about faulty labels, unmentioned allergens and harmful contaminants that included glass and metal between 2017 and early 2019, according to internal federal records
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-china-food-inspection-items-problems-1.5211623
Agree. And put a 10% tariff on all unprocessed exports sold to China. Esp iron ore and ALL coal.
Crikey! this thread went downhill fast.
Back to the subject of Chinese ownership of Australian wineries.
My wife called into a bottle shop yesterday to pick up a few bottles of white, whilst browsing the person in charge asked if he could help, she let him know what she was after and also mentioned she only wanted wine produced by Australian owned wineries, his response was its a frequently asked question, difficult to answer because labels give no clue as to ownership.
Half of the Clare Valley is now in the hands of Chinese interests, I imagine a similar situation exists in other states.
We go out of our way to buy Australian produce, why not extend the practice to foreign ownership?
Wanda if I remember Neville Chamberlain prior to the start of WW2 tried to appease Germany's aggression by saying all the right things he even signed a non aggression pact with them unfortunately we know how that one turned out.. I think our PMs biggest problem is not his criticism it's that by leading the charge he is seen by China as being nothing more than an attack dog of the US - we need to be criticising them but as part of a united front along with other like minded countries. In reality a nation our size of is nothing more than an annoyance to them and in their words we are "like chewing gum stuck on their shoe"..
BB
Yes BB I agree, which is what I was saying, we are so small a country to China the last thing we need is our PM standing up(on his own) beating his chest, in my opinion only a popular vote getting excercise.
Obviously the source of the virus Should be thoroughly investigated, thats a no brainer, but we Australia should not be the ones sticking our neck out. As I quoted, just look at the population figures, Aus v China. There are other options our PM should have gone down I think, although the task is more difficult with the orange idiot in the US
Must admit don't know a lot about the Chamberlain issue but so true.
regards
Ian
Good on Morrison. It's about time someone from Gov took a stand. As for us seeing China as a cash cow, yeah right, other way around.
Their treating us like the proverbial sheep. We certainly try to stop purchasing anything from there, hard as it is.
Dick.
Ian,if you think that you can do better than the great job that Scott Morrison is doing in handling this crisis,perhaps you could offer yourself for election to parliament? Or are you one of the many who is happy to sit back and let Australia be bullied into submission by this super power? And when China owns Australia,either by buying everything outright,by bribery,or by military force,will you be among the first to bleat and moan that the "Gummint din do enough"? As for your comment "...there are other options our PM should have gone down" (sic) perhaps you would be kind enough to enlighten us as to what these "other options" may be? One of the first lessons you learn in life is that if you let yourself be bullied, with no retaliatory actions,the bullying will quickly escalate.Or do you think Mr Morrison should simply have run and hid behind the USA's president,hanging on to his shirt tail? Personally,Î'm all for severing ties with China,and again starting manufacturing in Australia.There is another country,India I think, that imports twice as much of our coal as does China,and there will no doubt be many other world markets for our "good" coal? China needs our quality iron ore,so perhaps this would give us some greater bargaining power when the chips are really down.Everybody is entitled to an opinion,and everybody is entitled to criticise,but without a viable alternative strategy being offered,any such criticism lacks substance.You,no doubt have heard of the Chinese building a $200 million "fisheries business" a mere 200km from our shores,in an area where there are few,if any,fish? Luckily for our country,this is merely a "fisheries business".Yeah,right.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Friday 18th of December 2020 07:20:08 PM
Well said Richard...I struggle to understand the "let them do what they want" mentality.In many ways,it is our own fault.People buy "cheap" rubbbish from overseas,at prices much lower than the price of goods manufacturned in Australia. Because they can't compete,Australian manufacturers then close their businesses,putting many thousands of people out of work. These same people then bleat and moan that the "Gummint" isn't looking after them,when Blind Freddy can see that the unemployment problems they face were caused by nobody but themselves.It is flawed thinking to believe that everybody else should buy Australian goods,while you are happy to buy cheap rubbish from overseas,then expecting others to buy Australian goods to keep our manufacturers in business.An example was the Ford factory in Geelong,where I was lucky (?) enough to live after an ex decided she loved Belmont,and I bought a property for her.There were hundreds of cars in the staff carpark,but not a Ford in sight.....and then these workers wonder why the Ford factory closed? For your own financial security,and the future of Australia,it is better to buy Australian products.Sure,you may pay a couple of dollars more,but you will be creating Australian jobs,and in the long run,we all will be better off.Cheers.