China to impose up to 200% tarrff's on Australian wines
Old and Grey said
05:08 PM Nov 29, 2020
Hi everyone,
We feel sorry for our producers of some of the best wine, the world can produce.
If they don't want it, then Old and Myself would like to help out at the farm gate. We will be looking along the way.
Old & Grey
Brodie Allen said
05:45 PM Nov 29, 2020
you would think that china would be contrite having been responsible for the worst world
tragedy since world war II and be interested in saving some "face".
But no, more havoc for our having the temerity to ask how it happened.
and how many other powder-puff nations have come to the party with Australia?
It's a disguised blessing in a way - Australia has to find markets other than china
for our produce and mines - and stop selling real estate and businesses to them.
I would even go so far as to say that we should revoke some of the leases that
stupid governments have given china and make it a rule as the chinese copy book
prescribes that no chinese businesses or enterprises operate in Australia unless
Australia has a 51% ownership.
And I don't think that this is the end of it!!
Biggest worry is where USA will stand under the likely new regime / china / Australia.
Won't they be crapped off if china still wants our wines and pays the extra!
Lets drink more wine!!!
Whenarewethere said
05:51 PM Nov 29, 2020
They are doing this to all countries. Cut or tax or quota this product here that product there.
The sooner we diversify export markets the better. Diversifying import markets as well would be sensible so one is not cut off from supply.
montie said
07:50 PM Nov 29, 2020
The anti Chinese sentiment has been growing in Aus....the winds of change are blowing.
We have quality products....we need to start protecting them.
Now could not be a better time to start asserting ourselves...and start looking for fair trade deals rather than the " free" ones.
KFT said
07:53 PM Nov 29, 2020
Methinks it is time to tear up the one sided "Free Trade Agreement" negotiated by our so called elected representatives.
Surely imposing such tariffs and restrictions is a breach of the terms of a FTA. If they can do those sorts of things then why cant we? It would certainly make locally manufactured goods much more attractive.
I will just keep caravanning.
KFT
-- Edited by KFT on Sunday 29th of November 2020 07:54:50 PM
Farmhat said
07:58 PM Nov 29, 2020
KFT wrote:
-snip-
I will just keep caravanning.
KFT
-- Edited by KFT on Sunday 29th of November 2020 07:54:50 PM
I have to agree with that.
Joe
montie said
08:07 PM Nov 29, 2020
KFT wrote:
Methinks it is time to tear up the one sided "Free Trade Agreement" negotiated by our so called elected representatives.
Surely imposing such tariffs and restrictions is a breach of the terms of a FTA. If they can do those sorts of things then why cant we? It would certainly make locally manufactured goods much more attractive.
I will just keep caravanning.
KFT
-- Edited by KFT on Sunday 29th of November 2020 07:54:50 PM
Every time the politicians start thumping their chests about the new innovative "free" trade agreement that they have just negotiated it spells the death knell for another small Australian manufacturer.
Basically what they have done is give them what they need in return for what we don't need.
It's time to start looking after our own interests.
Ger08 said
10:17 PM Nov 29, 2020
Means some cheaper wine for ten domestic market - I hope.
Cowboy7307 said
07:57 AM Nov 30, 2020
My question is , where did we sell all our product before China came along , and we are selling them the iron ore so they can build their military might, so they can threaten us some more
,
Craig1 said
11:22 AM Nov 30, 2020
Apparently quite a few vineyards planted specifically for Chinese market. Maybe we should all abandon the centre aisle at a certain supermarket. That contains mostly C.... made product
Cupie said
08:40 PM Nov 30, 2020
Craig1 wrote:
Apparently quite a few vineyards planted specifically for Chinese market. Maybe we should all abandon the centre aisle at a certain supermarket. That contains mostly C.... made product
It's no wonder that Chinese like Au wine. Have you ever tried their local drop.
When we were there a few years ago I saw TV commercials advertising their Great Wall range. Well, I tried a couple of bottles & what crap it was. Their red is un drinkable and their white seemed to be a fortified wine, or perhaps a rice spirit - maybe I mis-read the label LOL, equally undrinkable unless heavily diluted with soft drink. I was able to buy reasonable Au wine at specialist bottle shops in tourist areas for about 30% more than what I would expect to pay at a local bottle shop which was OK.
Their beer was crap too. Usually served not very chilled & in dirty glasses. We were offered it free at daily meals (endless bloody banquets) but after the first try almost no one drank it.
It's hard to decide on how we should respond to what seems to be deliberate provocation by the Chinese Govt. I do my bit by avoiding buying anything Chinese, which is bloody hard to do. This is especially difficult where I live with perhaps a majority of the residents being Chinese (or at least Asian not including Indian --eg. of my 13 closest neighbours 8 are Chinese/Asian families -- but they are individually nice people). Supermarkets here have a disproportionate amount of Chinese foodstuffs. But I'd rather live here than a few KM away near the Mosques. Am I racist or what?
Whenarewethere said
09:05 PM Nov 30, 2020
This rice wine is imported into Australia. Tax is only paid when it is sold. The problem is someone like me can never buy this over the counter no matter how hard I try.
A Chinese person I knew many years ago got it for me from "under the counter". It's not too bad at $7.00 a bottle, he later found it at $5.00. They also do a 65% proof which at the time he was trying to locate.
Maybe Australia should be charging 200% import duty at the border.
Fairs Fair as it is under cutting our market & no tax is being paid either.
The main problem with buying/supporting Chinese products is that they are normally copies of more expensive brands from other sources - China seems to have little regard to Patents held in other Countries. When someone else does all the preliminary designing, testing and marketing and cheap labour sources are exploited, it is impossible to compete.
IMHO China is not only a Bully they are also Cheats that should be called out. Inferior quality copies are plaguing the Caravan Industry at the moment, with the transgressors (China) actually forging reputable Company's branding to sell by deceiving customers into believing they are purchasing reputable brands.
dogbox said
01:53 PM Dec 2, 2020
Possum3 wrote:
The main problem with buying/supporting Chinese products is that they are normally copies of more expensive brands from other sources - China seems to have little regard to Patents held in other Countries. When someone else does all the preliminary designing, testing and marketing and cheap labour sources are exploited, it is impossible to compete.
IMHO China is not only a Bully they are also Cheats that should be called out. Inferior quality copies are plaguing the Caravan Industry at the moment, with the transgressors (China) actually forging reputable Company's branding to sell by deceiving customers into believing they are purchasing reputable brands.
japan use to make cheap copies of American goods (jap crap) in the 50,s an 60,s now most of their stuff is quality . if we as a country keep buying the stuff who can we blame if we put a tax on imports who would be paying , are we prepared to get payed less to make cheaper goods ? i think we are to use to the good life
dorian said
03:40 PM Dec 2, 2020
It's not just inferior copies and counterfeits that we have to worry about, it's the outright fakes that are an even bigger problem. For example, I'm hard pressed to find a solar panel on eBay whose specs are not outright lies.
In the electronic repair industry the Chinese have contaminated their supply chains with fake semiconductors. Some chips are just junk ICs whose identities have been sanded off and remarked.
In the computer industry many (most?) of the USB flash drives are fakes, or use chips that were salvaged from the reject bins.
oldbloke said
06:31 PM Dec 5, 2020
Cowboy7307 wrote:
My question is , where did we sell all our product before China came along , and we are selling them the iron ore so they can build their military might, so they can threaten us some more
,
Reminds me of Pig Iron Bob. He sold heaps to Japan then it was shot back at us.
Hi everyone,
We feel sorry for our producers of some of the best wine, the world can produce.
If they don't want it, then Old and Myself would like to help out at the farm gate. We will be looking along the way.
Old & Grey
tragedy since world war II and be interested in saving some "face".
But no, more havoc for our having the temerity to ask how it happened.
and how many other powder-puff nations have come to the party with Australia?
It's a disguised blessing in a way - Australia has to find markets other than china
for our produce and mines - and stop selling real estate and businesses to them.
I would even go so far as to say that we should revoke some of the leases that
stupid governments have given china and make it a rule as the chinese copy book
prescribes that no chinese businesses or enterprises operate in Australia unless
Australia has a 51% ownership.
And I don't think that this is the end of it!!
Biggest worry is where USA will stand under the likely new regime / china / Australia.
Won't they be crapped off if china still wants our wines and pays the extra!
Lets drink more wine!!!
They are doing this to all countries. Cut or tax or quota this product here that product there.
The sooner we diversify export markets the better. Diversifying import markets as well would be sensible so one is not cut off from supply.
We have quality products....we need to start protecting them.
Now could not be a better time to start asserting ourselves...and start looking for fair trade deals rather than the " free" ones.
Methinks it is time to tear up the one sided "Free Trade Agreement" negotiated by our so called elected representatives.
Surely imposing such tariffs and restrictions is a breach of the terms of a FTA. If they can do those sorts of things then why cant we? It would certainly make locally manufactured goods much more attractive.
I will just keep caravanning.
KFT
-- Edited by KFT on Sunday 29th of November 2020 07:54:50 PM
I have to agree with that.
Joe
Every time the politicians start thumping their chests about the new innovative "free" trade agreement that they have just negotiated it spells the death knell for another small Australian manufacturer.
Basically what they have done is give them what they need in return for what we don't need.
It's time to start looking after our own interests.
,
It's no wonder that Chinese like Au wine. Have you ever tried their local drop.
When we were there a few years ago I saw TV commercials advertising their Great Wall range. Well, I tried a couple of bottles & what crap it was. Their red is un drinkable and their white seemed to be a fortified wine, or perhaps a rice spirit - maybe I mis-read the label LOL, equally undrinkable unless heavily diluted with soft drink. I was able to buy reasonable Au wine at specialist bottle shops in tourist areas for about 30% more than what I would expect to pay at a local bottle shop which was OK.
Their beer was crap too. Usually served not very chilled & in dirty glasses. We were offered it free at daily meals (endless bloody banquets) but after the first try almost no one drank it.
It's hard to decide on how we should respond to what seems to be deliberate provocation by the Chinese Govt. I do my bit by avoiding buying anything Chinese, which is bloody hard to do. This is especially difficult where I live with perhaps a majority of the residents being Chinese (or at least Asian not including Indian --eg. of my 13 closest neighbours 8 are Chinese/Asian families -- but they are individually nice people). Supermarkets here have a disproportionate amount of Chinese foodstuffs. But I'd rather live here than a few KM away near the Mosques. Am I racist or what?
This rice wine is imported into Australia. Tax is only paid when it is sold. The problem is someone like me can never buy this over the counter no matter how hard I try.
A Chinese person I knew many years ago got it for me from "under the counter". It's not too bad at $7.00 a bottle, he later found it at $5.00. They also do a 65% proof which at the time he was trying to locate.
Maybe Australia should be charging 200% import duty at the border.
Fairs Fair as it is under cutting our market & no tax is being paid either.
IMHO China is not only a Bully they are also Cheats that should be called out. Inferior quality copies are plaguing the Caravan Industry at the moment, with the transgressors (China) actually forging reputable Company's branding to sell by deceiving customers into believing they are purchasing reputable brands.
japan use to make cheap copies of American goods (jap crap) in the 50,s an 60,s now most of their stuff is quality .
if we as a country keep buying the stuff who can we blame if we put a tax on imports who would be paying , are we prepared to get payed less to make cheaper goods ? i think we are to use to the good life
In the electronic repair industry the Chinese have contaminated their supply chains with fake semiconductors. Some chips are just junk ICs whose identities have been sanded off and remarked.
In the computer industry many (most?) of the USB flash drives are fakes, or use chips that were salvaged from the reject bins.
Reminds me of Pig Iron Bob. He sold heaps to Japan then it was shot back at us.