It looks like Australia will soon be manufacturing a vaccine, for Covid-19
I was thinking that, as we are nearly out of danger, (we can definitely see the light at the end of the tunnel)
Should we be sending the vaccine, to those who need it more than us, places such as Europe/Americas/Eastern Block/Middle East etc
The method of the madness behind my thinking is
The quicker the people of infected countries are vaccinated, the less population will require the vaccine, and the less mutations will occur
I have read but do not have the links at my fingertips
There is already an unknown mutation of the virus, on a ship off the Australian coast
There has been a further mutation which went from humans, to Mink, back to humans
Some of the overseas travellers in quarantine in Australia, were positive, but showing no symptoms
bgt said
09:48 AM Nov 10, 2020
A vaccine will only work if everyone is vaccinated. So how do you 'force' people to be vaccinated?
Wanda said
09:52 AM Nov 10, 2020
A very very good point with the virus here really under control, and going into summer, maybe we could with hold a small quantity here for the most vulnerable and send the rest to where it is needed the most.
No madness in your thinking, just a great selfless idea
regards
Ian
outlaw40 said
10:11 AM Nov 10, 2020
Not wanting to rain on the parade BUT the vaccine they are starting to manufacture hasn't finished clinical trials yet , bit of wishful thinking on someone's part maybe .
Whenarewethere said
10:12 AM Nov 10, 2020
Probably in the region of 93% of the population need to be vaccinated.
dogbox said
10:15 AM Nov 10, 2020
Wanda wrote:
A very very good point with the virus here really under control, and going into summer, maybe we could with hold a small quantity here for the most vulnerable and send the rest to where it is needed the most.
No madness in your thinking, just a great selfless idea
regards
Ian
we might have it under control but it was at great cost to our economy. i think we should be careful it might get away again, like it has in other places. we should immunize (protect)our selves first then we can assist others that are struggling. then open our borders to other that have been immunized . when i was young an travelling the world i had to carry a vaccine certificate with my passport to have access to some countries those days maybe returning as most cases in aust are returned travelers fortunately in quarantine
Wanda said
01:00 PM Nov 10, 2020
Outlaw40, no need to state the bleeding obvious, we can all read.
outlaw40 said
01:45 PM Nov 10, 2020
At what point in ops post does it say that clinic trials have not finished and the vaccine has not yet been proved fit for human use .. suggest you pull your head in WANDA .
dogbox said
02:31 PM Nov 10, 2020
outlaw40 wrote:
At what point in ops post does it say that clinic trials have not finished and the vaccine has not yet been proved fit for human use .. suggest you pull your head in WANDA .
what the man (someone important?) on the news said was that we still won't get it for the people till the second quarter of 2021 if all goes well
outlaw40 said
02:59 PM Nov 10, 2020
And that the CLINICAL TRIALS would not be completed for 3 months . How can they be going into production without the clinical trial data complete ,sorry sounds pie in the sky to me and at the very least a very poor business model .
dorian said
03:20 PM Nov 10, 2020
It has long been mooted that governments would take a punt and pre-emptively manufacture promising vaccines well ahead of their final approval. Therefore the recent public statements are consistent with this approach.
Tony Bev said
04:25 PM Nov 10, 2020
As a follow up from my original post
At the bottom is a link to the news article (dated yesterday), which clearly states that the vaccine was being manufactured (as from yesterday)
Perhaps I should have included the link, but I did not think that I would be causing any controversy
To clear up my way of thinking, very early in the piece, just about everyone worldwide agreed to fast track, any proven Covid-19 vaccine
The article does say that as it will take 50 days to make the vaccine, it will be ready for when the final trial is complete
I assume that they are talking about a fast track trial
Tony Bev thats my point ,who manufactures a product before its proven to work and safe ? which is exactly what the article is suggesting . dont get me wrong i wish them all the best and hope that its a success just seems a bit irish to me .
Wanda said
05:08 PM Nov 10, 2020
Arguing for the sake of arguing, you are true to form oulaw40
outlaw40 said
05:17 PM Nov 10, 2020
Its called a discussion you muppet ... go away fool .
Tony Bev said
05:20 PM Nov 10, 2020
Hi outlaw40
I seem to recall in the distant past, that the health people worldwide, had decided to cut through all corners, to get this Covid-19 vaccine out
I think that they had decided, that due to the potential catastrophe, of waiting for the full term trials, (sometimes takes years), they would take a chance
It appears to me, (and I certainly hope that I am wrong), that with some world leaders (for whatever reason), ignoring Covid-19, it may be too late for some countries, to now go into lockdown, and they are eagerly waiting for whatever vaccine they can get
dogbox said
05:22 PM Nov 10, 2020
outlaw40 wrote:
Tony Bev thats my point ,who manufactures a product before its proven to work and safe ? which is exactly what the article is suggesting . dont get me wrong i wish them all the best and hope that its a success just seems a bit irish to me .
from what i'm reading the vaccine is being produced so it can be used as soon as it has been approved on the assumption that it will be approved the government has paid for 10 million doses to fund it's production which won't cover all of us but could cover the high risk / front line people, by then the next batch or a better one that maybe in the pipeline will be made. if they wait for approval it may add couple of months on, till we the people get it
outlaw40 said
05:49 PM Nov 10, 2020
Yes i understand why but i am just not sure i agree with that approach but anyway as i said i hope above hope i am wrong i will bow out ofthis discussion now.
Tony LEE said
06:21 PM Nov 10, 2020
Got it under control have we?? You wish!!!
dogbox said
07:58 PM Nov 10, 2020
Tony LEE wrote:
Got it under control have we?? You wish!!!
at the moment it is being controlled/contained but if we get complacent, (which i think we are, fewer an fewer wearing face masks less hand sanitizer being used, bigger crowds, less testing) it could break out an run wild . i don't think another lock down would be received very well
dabbler said
08:17 PM Nov 10, 2020
I wouldn't accept a vaccine that hadn't been thoroughly and successfully tested. I would discourage my family and friends to reject any vaccine that hasn't been thoroughly and successfully tested. The idea our domestic economy will dramatically improve with a vaccine is nonsense. Infection control will assist our domestic economy and a vaccine is only a small part of the equation (if we quarantine any and ALL international entries). A vaccinated population that's geographically segregated will provide increased protection for that population but a worldwide vaccinated population has to be achieved before things will ever return to a pre-2020 world.
dabbler said
08:18 PM Nov 10, 2020
Oops. Meant encourage not discourage.
dogbox said
10:18 PM Nov 10, 2020
10 million of us could be Guinea pigs
dabbler said
10:55 PM Nov 10, 2020
Feds have pre-purchased another 50 million vaccine doses about a week ago. They have plans for all of us.
dogbox said
08:03 PM Nov 11, 2020
dabbler wrote:
I wouldn't accept a vaccine that hadn't been thoroughly and successfully tested. I would discourage my family and friends to reject any vaccine that hasn't been thoroughly and successfully tested. The idea our domestic economy will dramatically improve with a vaccine is nonsense. Infection control will assist our domestic economy and a vaccine is only a small part of the equation (if we quarantine any and ALL international entries). A vaccinated population that's geographically segregated will provide increased protection for that population but a worldwide vaccinated population has to be achieved before things will ever return to a pre-2020 world.
bill gates has not been mentioned (yet)
Recoup said
11:05 AM Nov 14, 2020
Lawyers File Action Against Corrupt Australian Government
As I am not a legal type person, I have no legal words in my vocabulary
My (in layman speak) opinion of the 15 point summary, taken as a whole paragraph is:-
Not printable
msg said
01:48 PM Nov 14, 2020
Tony Bev Wrote: ' I seem to recall in the distant past, that the health people worldwide, had decided to cut through all corners, to get this Covid-19 vaccine out
I think that they had decided, that due to the potential catastrophe, of waiting for the full term trials, (sometimes takes years), they would take a chance" ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
I'll just be a very generous person and go to the back of the line and wait till everyone else in all countries has had a dose first. LOL
Recoup said
03:05 PM Nov 14, 2020
msg wrote:
I'll just be a very generous person and go to the back of the line and wait till everyone else in all countries has had a dose first. LOL ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
It looks like Australia will soon be manufacturing a vaccine, for Covid-19
I was thinking that, as we are nearly out of danger, (we can definitely see the light at the end of the tunnel)
Should we be sending the vaccine, to those who need it more than us, places such as Europe/Americas/Eastern Block/Middle East etc
The method of the madness behind my thinking is
The quicker the people of infected countries are vaccinated, the less population will require the vaccine, and the less mutations will occur
I have read but do not have the links at my fingertips
No madness in your thinking, just a great selfless idea
regards
Ian
Probably in the region of 93% of the population need to be vaccinated.
we might have it under control but it was at great cost to our economy. i think we should be careful it might get away again, like it has in other places. we should immunize (protect)our selves first then we can assist others that are struggling.
then open our borders to other that have been immunized . when i was young an travelling the world i had to carry a vaccine certificate with my passport to have access to some countries those days maybe returning as most cases in aust are returned travelers fortunately in quarantine
what the man (someone important?) on the news said was that we still won't get it for the people till the second quarter of 2021 if all goes well
As a follow up from my original post
At the bottom is a link to the news article (dated yesterday), which clearly states that the vaccine was being manufactured (as from yesterday)
Perhaps I should have included the link, but I did not think that I would be causing any controversy
To clear up my way of thinking, very early in the piece, just about everyone worldwide agreed to fast track, any proven Covid-19 vaccine
The article does say that as it will take 50 days to make the vaccine, it will be ready for when the final trial is complete
I assume that they are talking about a fast track trial
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-vaccine-melbourne-laboratory-csl-begins-processing-oxford-university-astrazeneca/b277e6da-af60-4886-9b16-ba2fb028e3b2
Arguing for the sake of arguing, you are true to form oulaw40
I seem to recall in the distant past, that the health people worldwide, had decided to cut through all corners, to get this Covid-19 vaccine out
I think that they had decided, that due to the potential catastrophe, of waiting for the full term trials, (sometimes takes years), they would take a chance
It appears to me, (and I certainly hope that I am wrong), that with some world leaders (for whatever reason), ignoring Covid-19, it may be too late for some countries, to now go into lockdown, and they are eagerly waiting for whatever vaccine they can get
from what i'm reading the vaccine is being produced so it can be used as soon as it has been approved on the assumption that it will be approved
the government has paid for 10 million doses to fund it's production which won't cover all of us but could cover the high risk / front line people,
by then the next batch or a better one that maybe in the pipeline will be made. if they wait for approval it may add couple of months on, till we the people get it
at the moment it is being controlled/contained but if we get complacent, (which i think we are, fewer an fewer wearing face masks less hand sanitizer being used, bigger crowds, less testing) it could break out an run wild . i don't think another lock down would be received very well
bill gates has not been mentioned (yet)
www.concernedlawyersnetwork.net/
I stopped reading after the 15 point summary
As I am not a legal type person, I have no legal words in my vocabulary
My (in layman speak) opinion of the 15 point summary, taken as a whole paragraph is:-
Not printable
Tony Bev Wrote:
' I seem to recall in the distant past, that the health people worldwide, had decided to cut through all corners, to get this Covid-19 vaccine out
I think that they had decided, that due to the potential catastrophe, of waiting for the full term trials, (sometimes takes years), they would take a chance"
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
I'll just be a very generous person and go to the back of the line and wait till everyone else in all countries has had a dose first. LOL
I will give you $20 ,if you take mine ,cheers