Do you have a link for this ? A wider search will reveal more information and probably a different interpretation. Collingnon supports (or at least did) the use of masks in many cases and has listed the benefits of masks. He had spoken about the dangers of complacency, lack of social distancing and anti-lockdown protests. I'm not exactly sure what lightning strikes have to do with Covid-19 but two things come to mind. 1) a lot more people have died from Covid-19 in this country than have been struck by lightning in the same timeframe. 2) I've worked with more than a few professors. Some fall into the nutty category. None if them would willingly walk into a field during a lightning strike. It's a meaningless comparison, probably taken out of context.
Recoup said
03:41 PM Sep 29, 2020
The link is the Australian Financial Review
Patrick Durkin and N Boddy
Sep. 28 ,2020
dabbler said
04:15 PM Sep 29, 2020
Not a link but I found it, thanks. I see now you were posting about a misleading headline. The only mention of "mad" is the headline and no one but the authors use the word "ridiculous" either. What **** reporting! I'm not in Melbourne so don't actually have a horse in this race directly but the article is specifically about the latest Vic/Melbourne rulings not about masks in general. Collignon isn't saying people shouldn't wear masks. He's saying they have a place in control but no one single solution exists, masks aren't useful everywhere, Vic rulings will make difficult enforcement, masks are not the first point of defense amongst other things. This has been his POV for months. I'm still not convinced a medical expert made any comparison between Covid-19 and lightning strikes. If is true both people being reported prefer a targeted approach to mask use but they certainly don't say the crackdown is mad nor ridiculous. Stay safe Melbourne. My friends and relatives in Melb are in this with you.
That article is behind a paywall, so I will not comment on the actual article
Looking at the pic, the lady is saying that there is a one in a million chance, of contacting the virus in Melbourne
I believe that this number is wrong
Dabbler posted as I was typing, so (as I have still not read the article), I will say no more
-- Edited by Tony Bev on Tuesday 29th of September 2020 04:43:17 PM
SouthernComfort said
04:52 PM Sep 29, 2020
FWIW the chance of contracting the virus through community transmission varies wildly depending on the area you're in. The eastern suburbs for example are clear. The south eastern suburbs have a cluster in the Hallam/Narre Warren area. The north western suburbs have a cluster that's been there from the beginning, although reducing. Those are the problem areas, not the whole of metro Melbourne. Add to that the fact we can't travel more than 5km's from home, I'd say for the vast majority of Melburnians the chances of contraction are miniscule. To try and determine a Melbourne-wide average estimate for the likelihood of catching the virus is a nonsense.
Instead of a ring being placed around the problem areas, the whole of Melbourne is made to suffer the same restrictions. As far as masks go, I've not heard one 'expert' confirm how and why a mask is beneficial outdoors. Indoors (supermarket etc) is more logical, yet they are mandatory everywhere at all times. The one-size-fits-all approach to the restrictions is what frustrates so many, and continues to devastate the economy and so many livelihoods.
-- Edited by SouthernComfort on Tuesday 29th of September 2020 04:52:42 PM
dabbler said
05:35 PM Sep 29, 2020
The one-size-fits-all approach is often used by decision- and law-makers of every persuasion. In most circumstances, it's considered less vunerable to corruption or circumvention and easier to understand, comply and enforce. But as the situation drags on and encompasses much larger numbers, to the faults and flaws become obvious don't they ? Take Qld's border control measures as example. The mask requirements aren't onerous and dwelling on this aspect is counter productive (and a wasted journalist effort, as poor as this one is). The bigger issue surely must be needing greater freedom of movement with appropriate social distancing. If nothing else it creates an environment closer to the norm and aids family life. Wearing masks doesn't really impact on that aspect of transmission control and this article was either intended to be part of a much larger set piece or a blunt attack of the government of Vic. I'm not defending Vic's govt but I am saying the article doesn't address a real issue and they abound.
Plain Truth said
06:57 PM Sep 29, 2020
If you are under 70 with no pre - existing conditions,your chances of dying of cov19 is 1 in 1million.But taking all ages the rate is much higher.
We have masks but don't need to use them, walk along quiet back streets, have stopped buying things except for food, at very quiet times. Still have spare fuel from last year.
Gundog said
09:58 AM Oct 1, 2020
The issue with the victorian madness re masks seriously lacks common sense.
How crazy is it that a farmer working alone outside in a paddock has to wear a mask, because some birdbrained idiot thinks its dangerous not to.
Kebbin said
11:04 AM Oct 1, 2020
Gundog wrote:
The issue with the victorian madness re masks seriously lacks common sense.
How crazy is it that a farmer working alone outside in a paddock has to wear a mask, because some birdbrained idiot thinks its dangerous not to.
If you processed a miniscule of common sense you would realise that this is not a requirement for farmers or any one else on their own properties. This applies when going out in public.
Tony LEE said
11:23 AM Oct 1, 2020
Lot of people have short memories or don't keep up with national and international news. I recall at least two cases where people were infected by a single cough or sneeze and later died from Covid-19. That could happen anywhere, outside or inside which is why Victoria mandated masks everywhere in public places
Both those statistics are nonsensical if for no other reason that people travel in cars, use their bathrooms and workshops, and buy lottery tickets, all having pretty varied chances of winning or losing the bet
-- Edited by Tony LEE on Thursday 1st of October 2020 11:27:22 AM
Santa said
01:27 PM Oct 1, 2020
Kebbin wrote:
If you processed a miniscule of common sense
What does this mean?
Tony Bev said
01:29 PM Oct 1, 2020
Not trying to derail the topic but, it is all very well saying that there is only 1 in (put your number here) chance of catching Covid-19
My gut feeling has always been, that we do not know enough about Covid-19, as it is a very recent virus
Some food for thought, is that some previous very healthy people, who caught and survived Covid-19, are now not as healthy, as they once were
The link is the Australian Financial Review
Patrick Durkin and N Boddy
Sep. 28 ,2020
That article is behind a paywall, so I will not comment on the actual article
Looking at the pic, the lady is saying that there is a one in a million chance, of contacting the virus in Melbourne
I believe that this number is wrong
Dabbler posted as I was typing, so (as I have still not read the article), I will say no more
-- Edited by Tony Bev on Tuesday 29th of September 2020 04:43:17 PM
FWIW the chance of contracting the virus through community transmission varies wildly depending on the area you're in. The eastern suburbs for example are clear. The south eastern suburbs have a cluster in the Hallam/Narre Warren area. The north western suburbs have a cluster that's been there from the beginning, although reducing. Those are the problem areas, not the whole of metro Melbourne. Add to that the fact we can't travel more than 5km's from home, I'd say for the vast majority of Melburnians the chances of contraction are miniscule. To try and determine a Melbourne-wide average estimate for the likelihood of catching the virus is a nonsense.
Instead of a ring being placed around the problem areas, the whole of Melbourne is made to suffer the same restrictions. As far as masks go, I've not heard one 'expert' confirm how and why a mask is beneficial outdoors. Indoors (supermarket etc) is more logical, yet they are mandatory everywhere at all times. The one-size-fits-all approach to the restrictions is what frustrates so many, and continues to devastate the economy and so many livelihoods.
-- Edited by SouthernComfort on Tuesday 29th of September 2020 04:52:42 PM
If you are under 70 with no pre - existing conditions,your chances of dying of cov19 is 1 in 1million.But taking all ages the rate is much higher.
We have masks but don't need to use them, walk along quiet back streets, have stopped buying things except for food, at very quiet times. Still have spare fuel from last year.
The issue with the victorian madness re masks seriously lacks common sense.
How crazy is it that a farmer working alone outside in a paddock has to wear a mask, because some birdbrained idiot thinks its dangerous not to.
If you processed a miniscule of common sense you would realise that this is not a requirement for farmers or any one else on their own properties. This applies when going out in public.
Lot of people have short memories or don't keep up with national and international news. I recall at least two cases where people were infected by a single cough or sneeze and later died from Covid-19. That could happen anywhere, outside or inside which is why Victoria mandated masks everywhere in public places
Both those statistics are nonsensical if for no other reason that people travel in cars, use their bathrooms and workshops, and buy lottery tickets, all having pretty varied chances of winning or losing the bet
-- Edited by Tony LEE on Thursday 1st of October 2020 11:27:22 AM
What does this mean?
Not trying to derail the topic but, it is all very well saying that there is only 1 in (put your number here) chance of catching Covid-19
My gut feeling has always been, that we do not know enough about Covid-19, as it is a very recent virus
Some food for thought, is that some previous very healthy people, who caught and survived Covid-19, are now not as healthy, as they once were
Link to a story below about some survivors
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-01/uk-long-covid-19-survivors-form-group-to-discuss-symptoms/12701112
Clear as Mud ?