So I designed a Corner Triangle system that is multi functional..It has a hand held shower hose for the only water supply..A Portable in & out sink,a portaloo in bottom.A backsplash of tin...A removable Triangle bench also for food preps make this 2 ft X 2 ft area is a 5 in 1 functions.No cupboards & no doors
Tony Bev said
03:13 PM Aug 18, 2020
Hi Erilala
Welcome to the forum
Is there any chance of a few pics, of what you have done, it may give some of us, some ideas for the future
Erilala said
04:30 PM Aug 18, 2020
It's being patented
Erilala said
05:36 PM Aug 18, 2020
Gee you mean outright THEFT-!!! My relative is a Lawyer/ Builder whose made 3 protypes to show Jayco next week,byeee
Santa said
05:51 PM Aug 18, 2020
What a strange thread!
Erilala said
06:28 PM Aug 18, 2020
-"" it may give some of us,some ideas for the future-" why would a smart person Give Away ideas-??""
Santa said
07:09 PM Aug 18, 2020
Why even bother to mention it?
Erilala said
07:30 PM Aug 18, 2020
Why do you persist with dumb comments-?
Tony Bev said
07:37 PM Aug 18, 2020
In reply to this Gee you mean outright THEFT-!!! My relative is a Lawyer/ Builder whose made 3 protypes to show Jayco next week,byeee And this it may give some of us,some ideas for the future-" why would a smart person Give Away ideas-??
Sorry I asked for a pic, so please have a nice day
I can assure you, that the Grey Nomad forum members, I have met so far
Are not the sort of people, who would steal another persons idea of making a
Corner Triangle system that is multi functional..It has a hand held shower hose for the only water supply..A Portable in & out sink,a portaloo in bottom.A backsplash of tin...A removable Triangle bench also for food preps make this 2 ft X 2 ft area is a 5 in 1 functions.No cupboards & no doors
Just in case you are unaware, Australia went to the metric system of measurement in 1974, so you will probably have to change your 2 ft X 2 ft area
The patent office would probably like to see something like 0.6096 Metres X 0.6096 Metres, or 60.96 Centimetres X 60.96 Centimetres, or 609.6 Millimetres X 609.6 Millimetres
Peter_n_Margaret said
07:41 PM Aug 18, 2020
It's being patented
Intellectual property was a significant part of my previous employment. Do you have any idea what a full patent costs? And I doubt very much if it is patentable anyhow. This sounds like a "development" not a patentable new concept. A registered design may be worthwhile, but that is very different from a patent.
If it is patented, you then need to be capable of prosecuting someone who breaches that patent. If you don't have the financial capability to do that you are wasting your money patenting it in the first place.
Here is a better overhead cupboard arrangement you can all have for free. New and different? Yes. Patentable? Maybe? Worth patenting? No.
A 13 second video clip.
Cheers,
Peter
Erilala said
07:44 PM Aug 18, 2020
I'm quite sure a Lawyer who is also a Builder is extremely well educated & qualified to-" millimetre-" everything"
Tony Bev said
08:47 PM Aug 18, 2020
Erilala wrote:
I'm quite sure a Lawyer who is also a Builder is extremely well educated & qualified to-" millimetre-" everything"
Quote
Triangle bench also for food preps make this 2 ft X 2 ft area is a 5 in 1 functions
Unquote
I must be mistaken then, but I always thought, that ft was an abbreviation for foot/feet, as in 1 foot = 12 inches, 2 feet = 24 inches type of measurements
Mike Harding said
07:40 AM Aug 19, 2020
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
It's being patented
Intellectual property was a significant part of my previous employment. Do you have any idea what a full patent costs? And I doubt very much if it is patentable anyhow. This sounds like a "development" not a patentable new concept. A registered design may be worthwhile, but that is very different from a patent.
If it is patented, you then need to be capable of prosecuting someone who breaches that patent. If you don't have the financial capability to do that you are wasting your money patenting it in the first place.
Spot on.
Full patents are almost always a waste of time and money for small business. The patent takes an age to obtain, is expensive and will normally have patent attorney fees on the top. And in the meantime the Chinese, who don't give a toss about your patent application, have already manufactured the product and are selling it.
On top of all that; once you obtain your patent and a large company infringes it the cost of proving that in court is astronomical and way, way beyond small business.
There use to be, in Australia, something called an "Innovation Patent" which had some small merit - I don't know if it still exists.
I gave up on patents years ago and, instead, concentrated on niche areas where the big boys were not interested.
Erilala said
08:10 AM Aug 19, 2020
Picked to death by the -" beakers-"
Peter_n_Margaret said
10:16 AM Aug 19, 2020
Mike Harding wrote:
And in the meantime the Chinese, who don't give a toss about your patent application, have already manufactured the product and are selling it.
Actually, a patent does not stop someone making something, it stops them selling it in the country or countries covered by the patent, so a patent taken out for Australia (for instance) effectively stops the Chinese (or anyone else) from selling the product in Australia (but no where else) without a license agreement from the patent owner.
A full "world wide" patent used to cost in excess of $100,000 to establish 25 years ago, plus the ongoing annual fees. It won't be less now. There are much cheaper ways to get coverage, but if there is a breach or a challenge, the full fees for the patent plus the court costs of defending it must all be paid eventually if the cover is to be maintained.
It is also quite legal to manufacture ONE ONLY of a patented product for your own personal use, but you may not sell it (or even give it away) to someone else.
Cheers,
Peter
Mike Harding said
10:57 AM Aug 19, 2020
My understanding is there is no such thing as a world wide patent. I think there is agreement between the major industrial countries that they will recognise the validity of each other's patents but you need to register it in the foreign country for that to happen - no doubt this process requires fees and lawyers (= more fees).
I'll leave patents to the multi-nationals.
Peter_n_Margaret said
04:05 PM Aug 19, 2020
"World wide".
Correct.
There are groups of countries that you can choose to use or not and others that are separate, so for maximum coverage the application needs to be submitted multiple times in multiple jurisdictions. That is one of the reasons it becomes so expensive.
It is only the countries that the product will be sold in that need to be covered though, so for an RV product you would typically choose USA and Europe first off. Canada, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand etc become relatively minor additional choices depending on the product.
Cheers,
Peter
Hawk7 said
04:57 PM Aug 19, 2020
Agree with Santa ! What a tosser !!
Dhutime said
12:18 AM Aug 23, 2020
Mmm so you are going to prepare food on top of the loo ?
Possum3 said
08:40 AM Oct 21, 2020
I think this thread should be moved to "Just Joking" Forum - It has amused me.
Welcome to the forum
Is there any chance of a few pics, of what you have done, it may give some of us, some ideas for the future
Gee you mean outright THEFT-!!! My relative is a Lawyer/ Builder whose made 3 protypes to show Jayco next week,byeee
What a strange thread!
-"" it may give some of us,some ideas for the future-" why would a smart person Give Away ideas-??""
Why even bother to mention it?
In reply to this
And this
Sorry I asked for a pic, so please have a nice day
I can assure you, that the Grey Nomad forum members, I have met so far
Are not the sort of people, who would steal another persons idea of making a
Just in case you are unaware, Australia went to the metric system of measurement in 1974, so you will probably have to change your 2 ft X 2 ft area
The patent office would probably like to see something like 0.6096 Metres X 0.6096 Metres, or 60.96 Centimetres X 60.96 Centimetres, or 609.6 Millimetres X 609.6 Millimetres
Intellectual property was a significant part of my previous employment. Do you have any idea what a full patent costs? And I doubt very much if it is patentable anyhow. This sounds like a "development" not a patentable new concept. A registered design may be worthwhile, but that is very different from a patent.
If it is patented, you then need to be capable of prosecuting someone who breaches that patent. If you don't have the financial capability to do that you are wasting your money patenting it in the first place.
Here is a better overhead cupboard arrangement you can all have for free.
New and different? Yes. Patentable? Maybe? Worth patenting? No.
A 13 second video clip.
Cheers,
Peter
Quote
Unquote
I must be mistaken then, but I always thought, that ft was an abbreviation for foot/feet, as in 1 foot = 12 inches, 2 feet = 24 inches type of measurements
Spot on.
Full patents are almost always a waste of time and money for small business. The patent takes an age to obtain, is expensive and will normally have patent attorney fees on the top. And in the meantime the Chinese, who don't give a toss about your patent application, have already manufactured the product and are selling it.
On top of all that; once you obtain your patent and a large company infringes it the cost of proving that in court is astronomical and way, way beyond small business.
There use to be, in Australia, something called an "Innovation Patent" which had some small merit - I don't know if it still exists.
I gave up on patents years ago and, instead, concentrated on niche areas where the big boys were not interested.
Actually, a patent does not stop someone making something, it stops them selling it in the country or countries covered by the patent, so a patent taken out for Australia (for instance) effectively stops the Chinese (or anyone else) from selling the product in Australia (but no where else) without a license agreement from the patent owner.
A full "world wide" patent used to cost in excess of $100,000 to establish 25 years ago, plus the ongoing annual fees. It won't be less now. There are much cheaper ways to get coverage, but if there is a breach or a challenge, the full fees for the patent plus the court costs of defending it must all be paid eventually if the cover is to be maintained.
It is also quite legal to manufacture ONE ONLY of a patented product for your own personal use, but you may not sell it (or even give it away) to someone else.
Cheers,
Peter
My understanding is there is no such thing as a world wide patent. I think there is agreement between the major industrial countries that they will recognise the validity of each other's patents but you need to register it in the foreign country for that to happen - no doubt this process requires fees and lawyers (= more fees).
I'll leave patents to the multi-nationals.
Correct.
There are groups of countries that you can choose to use or not and others that are separate, so for maximum coverage the application needs to be submitted multiple times in multiple jurisdictions. That is one of the reasons it becomes so expensive.
It is only the countries that the product will be sold in that need to be covered though, so for an RV product you would typically choose USA and Europe first off. Canada, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand etc become relatively minor additional choices depending on the product.
Cheers,
Peter