I see the BBC has banned Fawlty Towers "Don't mention the war" episode.
Its called satire.
Satire....the use of humour, irony, exaggeration or ridicule to expose and criticise people's stupidity or vices particulary in the context of contempary politics or other topical issues.
Exactly what John Cleese set out to do.
Give me a break!
Collo.
TheHeaths said
06:42 PM Jun 12, 2020
I dont think it was re the war comment.
More to do with some comments re the West Indian cricket team.
That said, there does appear to be a major knee jerk reaction wrt film and tv programs.
landy said
10:06 PM Jun 12, 2020
Forget P.C. P.N. Political Nonsense is more like it. Landy
fwdoz said
10:29 PM Jun 12, 2020
Everyone is offended by something these days, a lot of it trivial.
I am just offended that they are offended!
Greg 1 said
12:10 AM Jun 13, 2020
It is ridiculous. Humour is now out. Old films banned. Trying to rewrite history.
There were horrendous things done in times gone, but they were different times and one cannot judge what was done in the past by today's standards.
What we can do is learn from that history and try to ensure that those things do not happen again.
By trying to wipe out that history we are condemned to repeat it.
dorian said
06:19 AM Jun 13, 2020
TheHeaths wrote:
I dont think it was re the war comment.
More to do with some comments re the West Indian cricket team.
The "major" is a bigot, a racist and a perve. Whilst his character's behaviour is not explicitly denounced in the various scripts, it is nevertheless obvious that it is being ridiculed. In any case, he appears to be verging on senility. I do remember cringing at one of his comments, though.
I wonder if there have been any complaints about Basil's treatment of Manuel ("he's from Barcelona"). Will that be the trigger that kills off the series?
Does anyone still get a laugh out of Benny Hill? I bought a "Best of" compilation and only managed a laugh at one of the skits, and that involved two young children, no adults. I guess we're not so easily titillated these days. Perhaps innuendo is dead.
Does anyone remember Jungle Jim? I wonder how the big white bwana would go down today.
I tried to watch Gone With The Wind for the first time a couple of years ago, but I couldn't stomach the idea of anyone being a "servant", whether white or black, paid or otherwise.
I guess I don't really need a censor. My own moral compass is adequate for me.
Edit:
Not too long ago "The Simpsons" came under fire for its racial stereotyping. Specifically, one Indian commentator took offence at the portrayal of Apu. The result was that Hank Azaria decided to stop voicing the character. ISTM that every character in the series is a stereotype of some kind. To me, that's its appeal. If there is anything that is questionable about the series, it is its light hearted treatment of bullying, especially in light of youth suicides.
One other touchy subject is black comedy. It treads a very fine line between humour and bad taste, but I enjoy it because it keeps me on the right side of sanity -- but just barely.
-- Edited by dorian on Saturday 13th of June 2020 07:14:37 AM
Magnarc said
09:10 AM Jun 13, 2020
We have the series of Fawlty Towers on Dvd and I have a laugh every time I see Basil goose stepping across the restaurant in the "German" episode. As usual everything has to be taken beyond the limits of common sense, (which is not all that common anymore) heaven knows what they would d if they had to sit through a couple of episodes of Love thy Neighbour. I have no truck with racism of any kind but can anyone really think that when they made these shows they were being racist???
Whenarewethere said
10:26 AM Jun 13, 2020
Plenty of workplace discrimination it the series at well, but that's the point. Fawlty Towers was highlighting these issues. So far ahead of it time!
rgren2 said
10:30 AM Jun 13, 2020
Ted Bullpit. Put your money on the fridge, Wog.
Remember Alf Garnet? The Carry On series.
fwdoz said
11:53 AM Jun 13, 2020
Or Love Thy Neighbour.
bgt said
01:38 PM Jun 13, 2020
And what about Hogans Heros? Or Till death us do part? Will Grandville ever get his face back into nurse Gladys's ample breasts again?
It's ok though for the ABC to have a comedy show where someone can be told to f...... off.
Whenarewethere said
02:02 PM Jun 13, 2020
Mr Squiggle is pretty offensive to people with big noses & Black Board looks pretty much like blackface!
bgt said
02:28 PM Jun 13, 2020
Ah Mr Squiggle could use a white board.
msg said
03:58 PM Jun 13, 2020
I like the new term "Virtue signalling" Dorian is a good example.
Plain Truth said
04:21 PM Jun 13, 2020
bgt wrote:
Ah Mr Squiggle could use a white board.
Ros Kelly the politician in 1993-4,was the white board expert.
-- Edited by Plain Truth on Saturday 13th of June 2020 04:21:51 PM
Bobdown said
05:54 PM Jun 13, 2020
Collo wrote:
I see the BBC has banned Fawlty Towers "Don't mention the war" episode.
Its called satire.
Satire....the use of humour, irony, exaggeration or ridicule to expose and criticise people's stupidity or vices particulary in the context of contempary politics or other topical issues.
Exactly what John Cleese set out to do.
Give me a break!
Collo.
I read John Cleese demanded it be re-instated which I believe it has been, common sense is a rare commodity these days.
Cheers Bob
Gundog said
12:57 PM Jun 17, 2020
But all other races have EXACTLY the same past .
And yes there are white racists , but if you really want to see overt racism , go visit China , or the middle east or pretty near anywhere in Asia or god forbid ,Africa .
And in any of those places the racism is almost all encompassing with whatever breed of human is locally dominant , lording it over and brutalising minorities .
The truth be told , in 2020 the least racist racial group on the planet is the poor old Anglo Saxon ,who seem to be the only people being held to account and ridiculously the biggest hypocrites of the lot are the idiot white whining left leaners who history tells us will be the most savagely brutal oppressors of the lot if they prevail .
*****not my words but I fully endorse them*****
Last night I watched a program on Fox "the death of the Aussie Larrikin" good aussie humor has been murdered because of idiot white left leaning loosers, have we lost the abilitly to laugh at ourselves and to separate humor from racism. I suppose every female is offended if they are refered to a Sheila's but us males are not concerned being called Bloke's
-- Edited by Gundog on Wednesday 17th of June 2020 01:00:37 PM
DMaxer said
01:51 PM Jun 17, 2020
I am old enough to remember when I used to enjoy a lot of the shows on ABC radio and television.
Now it just revolves around the hand wringing of the Disciples of The Assembly of the Perpetually Offended.
It has a budget of over 1 billion dollars and employs in excess of 4,500 people.
Imagine if it was no longer Govt funded and had to rely upon subscriptions from those who wanted to watch.
Craig1 said
05:47 PM Jun 17, 2020
But why are they " untouchable " or unanswerable to anyone? ABC that is.
DMaxer said
07:13 PM Jun 17, 2020
Well Craig, I guess it is not politically correct to disagree with the people who spend their lives being offended on behalf of other people even if those other people aren't aware that they have been offended.
It is "their ABC" after all!
Craig1 said
09:21 PM Jun 17, 2020
Well, bugger Dmax, I consider my two cents a day well wasted now!
Must be getting close when an extremeley well known indigenous person can knock another person off the railway platform, admit it and no charges laid yet
Tony Bev said
03:29 PM Jun 20, 2020
Craig1 wrote:
Must be getting close when an extremeley well known indigenous person can knock another person off the railway platform, admit it and no charges laid yet
Hi Craig1
I read, (a newspaper article), many years ago now
That Ernie Dingo, the Aboriginal man of the railway platform saga
Was in a window seat, at a small rural town cafe, with a white friend, when a young Aboriginal, (outside), started cursing the white man
Ernie went outside, and chastised the curser
Perhaps he just does not like people, white or black, cursing him
Craig1 said
05:20 PM Jun 20, 2020
Chastise is fine Tony, but the laying on of hands is supposed to be No, do not do it any more.
I see the BBC has banned Fawlty Towers "Don't mention the war" episode.
Its called satire.
Satire....the use of humour, irony, exaggeration or ridicule to expose and criticise people's stupidity or vices particulary in the context of contempary politics or other topical issues.
Exactly what John Cleese set out to do.
Give me a break!
Collo.
More to do with some comments re the West Indian cricket team.
That said, there does appear to be a major knee jerk reaction wrt film and tv programs.
Everyone is offended by something these days, a lot of it trivial.
I am just offended that they are offended!
The "major" is a bigot, a racist and a perve. Whilst his character's behaviour is not explicitly denounced in the various scripts, it is nevertheless obvious that it is being ridiculed. In any case, he appears to be verging on senility. I do remember cringing at one of his comments, though.
I wonder if there have been any complaints about Basil's treatment of Manuel ("he's from Barcelona"). Will that be the trigger that kills off the series?
Does anyone still get a laugh out of Benny Hill? I bought a "Best of" compilation and only managed a laugh at one of the skits, and that involved two young children, no adults. I guess we're not so easily titillated these days. Perhaps innuendo is dead.
Does anyone remember Jungle Jim? I wonder how the big white bwana would go down today.
I tried to watch Gone With The Wind for the first time a couple of years ago, but I couldn't stomach the idea of anyone being a "servant", whether white or black, paid or otherwise.
I guess I don't really need a censor. My own moral compass is adequate for me.
Edit:
Not too long ago "The Simpsons" came under fire for its racial stereotyping. Specifically, one Indian commentator took offence at the portrayal of Apu. The result was that Hank Azaria decided to stop voicing the character. ISTM that every character in the series is a stereotype of some kind. To me, that's its appeal. If there is anything that is questionable about the series, it is its light hearted treatment of bullying, especially in light of youth suicides.
One other touchy subject is black comedy. It treads a very fine line between humour and bad taste, but I enjoy it because it keeps me on the right side of sanity -- but just barely.
-- Edited by dorian on Saturday 13th of June 2020 07:14:37 AM
We have the series of Fawlty Towers on Dvd and I have a laugh every time I see Basil goose stepping across the restaurant in the "German" episode. As usual everything has to be taken beyond the limits of common sense, (which is not all that common anymore) heaven knows what they would d if they had to sit through a couple of episodes of Love thy Neighbour. I have no truck with racism of any kind but can anyone really think that when they made these shows they were being racist???
Plenty of workplace discrimination it the series at well, but that's the point. Fawlty Towers was highlighting these issues. So far ahead of it time!
Remember Alf Garnet? The Carry On series.
Or Love Thy Neighbour.
Mr Squiggle is pretty offensive to people with big noses & Black Board looks pretty much like blackface!
Ros Kelly the politician in 1993-4,was the white board expert.
-- Edited by Plain Truth on Saturday 13th of June 2020 04:21:51 PM
I read John Cleese demanded it be re-instated which I believe it has been, common sense is a rare commodity these days.
Cheers Bob
But all other races have EXACTLY the same past .
And yes there are white racists , but if you really want to see overt racism , go visit China , or the middle east or pretty near anywhere in Asia or god forbid ,Africa .
And in any of those places the racism is almost all encompassing with whatever breed of human is locally dominant , lording it over and brutalising minorities .
The truth be told , in 2020 the least racist racial group on the planet is the poor old Anglo Saxon ,who seem to be the only people being held to account and ridiculously the biggest hypocrites of the lot are the idiot white whining left leaners who history tells us will be the most savagely brutal oppressors of the lot if they prevail .
*****not my words but I fully endorse them*****
Last night I watched a program on Fox "the death of the Aussie Larrikin" good aussie humor has been murdered because of idiot white left leaning loosers, have we lost the abilitly to laugh at ourselves and to separate humor from racism. I suppose every female is offended if they are refered to a Sheila's but us males are not concerned being called Bloke's
-- Edited by Gundog on Wednesday 17th of June 2020 01:00:37 PM
Hi Craig1
I read, (a newspaper article), many years ago now
That Ernie Dingo, the Aboriginal man of the railway platform saga
Was in a window seat, at a small rural town cafe, with a white friend, when a young Aboriginal, (outside), started cursing the white man
Ernie went outside, and chastised the curser
Perhaps he just does not like people, white or black, cursing him