The 1919 flu is referred to as the "Spanish Flu" so why is it racist to call the 2020 flu "The Chinese Flu" ??
dorian said
09:41 AM Apr 28, 2020
Hendo wrote:
The 1919 flu is referred to as the "Spanish Flu" so why is it racist to call the 2020 flu "The Chinese Flu" ??
Because the moral zeitgeist has changed, at least for some.
Kebbin said
10:45 AM Apr 28, 2020
Probably because it's not a Flu, ignorance is bliss.
Teo said
12:01 PM Apr 28, 2020
The Spanish flu did not originate in Spain. No real country of origin is named, even the good old USA is mentioned as a source along with many other countries.
-- Edited by Teo on Tuesday 28th of April 2020 12:02:44 PM
Rob Driver said
12:49 PM Apr 28, 2020
Teo wrote:
The Spanish flu did not originate in Spain. No real country of origin is named, even the good old USA is mentioned as a source along with many other countries.
-- Edited by Teo on Tuesday 28th of April 2020 12:02:44 PM
Yes, it apparently appeared that Spain had many early cases mainly due to the media having no restrictions on reporting the numbers as many other countrys media sources were restricted due to the war.
It is also interesting that although our experts today say one was a flu and the other a virus, the Wikipedia article and other resources quite often refer to the Spanish Flu as a Virus and a pandemic.
In any case all these virus/flu pandemics are not to be taken lightly.
I note that all these cases of people breaking the rules with regard to distance isolation all seem to be young ones.
I wonder if this Chinese virus affected the young adults like the Spanish Flu did, would they be so willing to disobey the rules.
-- Edited by bentaxlebabe on Tuesday 28th of April 2020 12:50:34 PM
Whenarewethere said
12:55 PM Apr 28, 2020
It was called the Spanish Flu because Spain was the only country that was transparent. Other countries were busy covering their death rates, so the name stuck.
Lesson is, cover up death rates so a name doesn't stick!
Rob Driver said
01:01 PM Apr 28, 2020
Whenarewethere wrote:
It was called the Spanish Flu because Spain was the only country that was transparent. Other countries were busy covering their death rates, so the name stuck.
Lesson is, cover up death rates so a name doesn't stick!
Yes, apparently Spain was neutral,
From the Wiki link above. Also note the Virus Strain H1N1
To maintain morale, World War I censors minimized early reports of illness and mortality in Germany, the United Kingdom, France, and the United States. Newspapers were free to report the epidemic's effects in neutral Spain, such as the grave illness of King Alfonso XIII, and these stories created a false impression of Spain as especially hard hit. This gave rise to the name Spanish flu. Historical and epidemiological data are inadequate to identify with certainty the pandemic's geographic origin, with varying views as to its location.
Mike Harding said
07:22 AM Apr 29, 2020
Hendo wrote:
The 1919 flu is referred to as the "Spanish Flu" so why is it racist to call the 2020 flu "The Chinese Flu" ??
It isn't. And being a mealy-mouthed appeaser won't do anyone any good at all.
I thought to myself, what a brilliant, insightful piece of journalism. I didn't expect this from a commercial news outlet. And then I realised that the author was an ex-ABC journo.
I thought to myself, what a brilliant, insightful piece of journalism. I didn't expect this from a commercial news outlet. And then I realised that the author was an ex-ABC journo.
Undoubtedly, that is why he's "ex".
dorian said
06:55 PM Apr 29, 2020
Chris Uhlmann provided a much needed conservative counterbalance at the ABC. As you point out, he may not have left voluntarily. In any case I expect that he will probably go bad like Richard Carleton and Harry Butler.
BTW, I notice that Hamish MacDonald dabbles in both camps concurrently. I wonder how that messes with his brain.
-- Edited by dorian on Wednesday 29th of April 2020 07:02:43 PM
Craig1 said
08:47 PM Apr 29, 2020
A few greedy importers greatly increased our dependence on China, the the rest followed on to supposedly compete. Every one who bought super cheap and nasty can share the blame. Now, what can you find that does not come from Corona Virused China. Not much.
msg said
08:57 PM Apr 29, 2020
Craig1 wrote:
A few greedy importers greatly increased our dependence on China, the the rest followed on to supposedly compete. Every one who bought super cheap and nasty can share the blame. Now, what can you find that does not come from Corona Virused China. Not much.
Yes by selling our superior food, destroying our land and water to grow far more food than we need to satisfy their greed then importing China's rubbish. Australian business has much to answer for.
The 1919 flu is referred to as the "Spanish Flu" so why is it racist to call the 2020 flu "The Chinese Flu" ??
Because the moral zeitgeist has changed, at least for some.
The Spanish flu did not originate in Spain. No real country of origin is named, even the good old USA is mentioned as a source along with many other countries.
-- Edited by Teo on Tuesday 28th of April 2020 12:02:44 PM
Yes, it apparently appeared that Spain had many early cases mainly due to the media having no restrictions on reporting the numbers as many other countrys media sources were restricted due to the war.
It is also interesting that although our experts today say one was a flu and the other a virus, the Wikipedia article and other resources quite often refer to the Spanish Flu as a Virus and a pandemic.
In any case all these virus/flu pandemics are not to be taken lightly.
I note that all these cases of people breaking the rules with regard to distance isolation all seem to be young ones.
I wonder if this Chinese virus affected the young adults like the Spanish Flu did, would they be so willing to disobey the rules.
Have a read of the Spanish Flu here.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
Regards
Angie
-- Edited by bentaxlebabe on Tuesday 28th of April 2020 12:50:34 PM
It was called the Spanish Flu because Spain was the only country that was transparent. Other countries were busy covering their death rates, so the name stuck.
Lesson is, cover up death rates so a name doesn't stick!
Yes, apparently Spain was neutral,
From the Wiki link above. Also note the Virus Strain H1N1
To maintain morale, World War I censors minimized early reports of illness and mortality in Germany, the United Kingdom, France, and the United States. Newspapers were free to report the epidemic's effects in neutral Spain, such as the grave illness of King Alfonso XIII, and these stories created a false impression of Spain as especially hard hit. This gave rise to the name Spanish flu. Historical and epidemiological data are inadequate to identify with certainty the pandemic's geographic origin, with varying views as to its location.
It isn't. And being a mealy-mouthed appeaser won't do anyone any good at all.
From today's The Age:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/we-can-t-return-to-business-as-usual-with-china-20200428-p54nty.html
I thought to myself, what a brilliant, insightful piece of journalism. I didn't expect this from a commercial news outlet. And then I realised that the author was an ex-ABC journo.
Undoubtedly, that is why he's "ex".
Chris Uhlmann provided a much needed conservative counterbalance at the ABC. As you point out, he may not have left voluntarily. In any case I expect that he will probably go bad like Richard Carleton and Harry Butler.
BTW, I notice that Hamish MacDonald dabbles in both camps concurrently. I wonder how that messes with his brain.
-- Edited by dorian on Wednesday 29th of April 2020 07:02:43 PM
Yes by selling our superior food, destroying our land and water to grow far more food than we need to satisfy their greed then importing China's rubbish. Australian business has much to answer for.