Coronavirus - Small town dinkum, about asking the traveller to stay away
Tony Bev said
06:06 PM Mar 27, 2020
The picture says it all
This is a town, in the South West region of Western Australia, (in my regional area)
I will assume that this is the thin edge of the wedge, and that other small towns will follow suit
I actually support what they are doing, to protect their own
Gundog said
01:48 PM Mar 30, 2020
Be careful what you wish for, such signs could come back and bite you in the form of travellers not supporting the town after this is all over, much like truckies that carry this nation being prevented from using toilet at servo's,
Greg 1 said
03:09 PM Mar 30, 2020
Doesn't matter much now as WA is in lockdown with no travel across state zones, so other than essential services and deliveries no one is travelling anywhere in WA.
dorian said
06:56 PM Mar 30, 2020
What if the lockdown forces a GN to become a "local" for the duration of the crisis? I can see why the locals would want to stop a mass exodus from the bigger towns which have run out of supplies, but some GNs are on the road full time.
And BTW Walpole, it's "locals", not "local's".
dogbox said
08:29 PM Mar 30, 2020
dorian wrote:
What if the lockdown forces a GN to become a "local" for the duration of the crisis? I can see why the locals would want to stop a mass exodus from the bigger towns which have run out of supplies, but some GNs are on the road full time.
And BTW Walpole, it's "locals", not "local's".
if we live on the road with no fixed address we have had 4-6 weeks to find a place to call home for the duration of the restriction of travel if your still moving around it could be considered bad planning. if your still moving around people see you as a potential source of infection do you blame them might be like the people who went on holiday overseas an are now demanding for the government (taxpayers) to foot the bill to get them home or the ones who are locked up in 5 star hotels ( at tax payer expense) an complaining about the food because they left coming home to the last minute and got caught out. more bad planning
landy said
09:27 PM Mar 30, 2020
I do understand where they are coming from, but what a difference a year makes from when it was please stop and spend some money in our little towns.
-- Edited by landy on Monday 30th of March 2020 09:28:01 PM
dogbox said
10:06 PM Mar 30, 2020
landy wrote:
I do understand where they are coming from, but what a difference a year makes from when it was please stop and spend some money in our little towns.
-- Edited by landy on Monday 30th of March 2020 09:28:01 PM
at this point in time a day is making a difference
Greg 1 said
11:24 PM Mar 30, 2020
I can understand places like Walpole. Very small village sith a nurses station only. 50 kms to the nearest hospital, doctor and pharmacy at Denmark and even then very limited. Albany another 50 odd k's further on is the closest major centre. So the virus getting into such a small community with a lot of retirees living there would be disastrous.
Look at the big picture here. Any other way of looking at this is unAustralian in my opinion. People need to self isolate for awhile, stop whining about it and grow up.
Rob Driver said
09:27 AM Mar 31, 2020
dogbox wrote:
dorian wrote:
What if the lockdown forces a GN to become a "local" for the duration of the crisis? I can see why the locals would want to stop a mass exodus from the bigger towns which have run out of supplies, but some GNs are on the road full time.
if we live on the road with no fixed address we have had 4-6 weeks to find a place to call home for the duration of the restriction of travel if your still moving around it could be considered bad planning. if your still moving around people see you as a potential source of infection do you blame them might be like the people who went on holiday overseas an are now demanding for the government (taxpayers) to foot the bill to get them home or the ones who are locked up in 5 star hotels ( at tax payer expense) an complaining about the food because they left coming home to the last minute and got caught out. more bad planning
This is exactly correct.
We have many friends who are either out and about most of the time or permanently on the road.
Planning has ensured for them that they have either gone home or if that has not been possible then found a park that has accepted them so as to provide and allow them accomodation so as they may not be having to move around and thus Not Spread The Virus.
I hear this morning that since last Thursday police have intercepted 1100 road tourists at the Qld road borders and this is why, now, the borders will be completely closed to these people from Friday.
These are not genuine permanent travellers but those who believe they have a rite to come to Qld for the winter.
In the town where we are the police attend all the parks and will fine the managers if there are any extra people taken in. The excuse of....But we have paid our deposit... does not hack it as the police advised yesterday to refund anyone in that position.
Managers in most of the parks that we have heard about from friends would prefer self contained caravans and for those that have planned and do not have en-suite facilities, then they have been allocated a toilet and shower cubicle which will be for the sole use of those guests until this is over. There sit number or name will be on the door of the facility.
Some may say that this is harsh but this is being done to protect the people and the employees and managers who now have procedures in place to protect the ones who did plan for the lock down. Many of these tourists did not and have not complied with any isolation orders after crossing a border thus posing a risk to the ones that did plan.
They were all advised NOT TO TRAVEL. What part of that did they not understand.
Dont blame the councils, park owners or managers, they are doing their best.
The people that thought that were entitled to just keep floating from free camp to free camp or to go on their annual pilgrimage to the north are now in a predicament and will always be high risk while this pandemic exists.
For the good of all Australians please just stay put now how ever unsuitable you may think your environment is. For the good of all of us if you entitled people are stuck somewhere just try to self isolate. The quicker we all abide by requests, the quicker we will be over this.
Regards
Angie
-- Edited by bentaxlebabe on Tuesday 31st of March 2020 09:30:18 AM
TheHeaths said
01:46 PM Mar 31, 2020
I think that is one of the big lessons for me from this.
I wouldnt deny people the right to sell up and travel as a lifestyle. But I am surprised about what appears to be a lack of a well considered Emergency Plan for many.
If people live in houses in hazardous areas they have things like bushfire or emergency plans to cover everything they can think they may face. This may mean a number of different plans for different scenarios. It is expected that they will activate that plan and protect themselves as necessary.
With this emergency, what it seems to me is the only plan many have for an emergency is to keep moving away from the area the problem is in. Fine for things like fires and cyclones, but not for a mobile and generalised threat. Either move, or go into hiding away from society. Unfortunately that has proved unacceptable due to the problem in this case being spread by the very action these nomads have chosen, and this has brought them into conflict with both the authorities, who are seeking to protect the society at large, and towns, who are trying to protect their community. Hardly unexpected, and really shouldnt be criticised. I still find it upsetting seeing people calling for boycotts when things get back to whatever the new normal looks like.
So what have we (I) learned. Firstly, communities will always support their own. While times are good, they welcome visitors, but will circle the wagons when things get tough. That is one thing nomads lose when they go on the road. Community. Think of the Gypsies of Europe!
Secondly, when this is over, nomads need to sit and develop a workable emergency plan, in conjunction with all levels of government. Something beyond endlessly driving around the bush. That wont be allowed. At least that will give them some security in the future.
Thirdly, the various levels of government now need to work a plan for assisting, controlling and protecting not only home dwellers, but also the growing nomad population. They also need some better emergency plans to ensure medical supplies and treatments are readily available quicker.
Next, free camps are fine, but will always be the first thing closed when health is compromised, as they would be a high risk location. Perhaps, for all the comments in this and in other places, caravan parks need to be considered a bit higher than they currently are. I find it ironic that they are now being criticised for not taking clients!
Anyway, I havent commented to start a bunfight, or as a criticism of people, merely to provoke some thought on how we can all do it better next time, because there is nothing surer than this happening again sometime.
And just remember, for all the bull and bravado I read on the forum, and in other places, we are all the same. Travellers and home dwellers. Scared, unsure of the future, worried about our families, friends, health and finances, and all just wanting this to end ASAP, and let us get on with our safe, boring and enjoyable lives.
blaze said
06:16 PM Mar 31, 2020
I am in complete agreement with theheaths
cheers
blaze
Sarco Harris said
08:17 PM Mar 31, 2020
I also totally agree with TheHeaths, we are all responsible for ourselves.
To request, or no, demand that other look after our needs and make/adapt their needs to suit or fit us in is not really good enough.
Further the Furfy that travelers put money into small communities is a delusion that I cannot suffer.
Too many travelers want everything for free or as cheap as possible. Damn, I know people who will not stop somewhere there is no mobile phone signal, little lone free wifi
Travelers shop in the big centres were everything is generally plentiful and cheap and stock up. Hence the small towns, particularly at this time don't want them.
To spend $2 in a small town for a paper or $3 for a 2 litre carton of milk is not supporting these small communities.
Craig1 said
09:24 PM Mar 31, 2020
Also one for The Heaths, just wish our politicians, of all persuasions, had the the same foresight for the last 30 years or so. We have been progressively(wish we had a spell check Cindy) sold out.
Mike Harding said
06:53 AM Apr 1, 2020
Sarco Harris wrote:
I also totally agree with TheHeaths, we are all responsible for ourselves.
I'm comfortable with that just so long as people don't whinge when things get really tough and I look after myself (and mine) with complete disregard for all others.
Either we have a supportive society or we don't....
landy said
09:40 PM Apr 1, 2020
Mike Harding wrote:
Sarco Harris wrote:
I also totally agree with TheHeaths, we are all responsible for ourselves.
I'm comfortable with that just so long as people don't whinge when things get really tough and I look after myself (and mine) with complete disregard for all others.
Either we have a supportive society or we don't....
Fair comment to Mike.
Tony Bev said
08:09 PM Apr 2, 2020
Hi Mike, to reply to this part of your post I'm comfortable with that just so long as people don't whinge when things get really tough and I look after myself (and mine) with complete disregard for all others.
Either we have a supportive society or we don't....
I believe that we do have a supportive society, because there are more people helping, than hindering
But (in my opinion), we do have to look over the fence from time to time, to figure out why, people sometimes do hinder us
Old people (of my age), are afraid, and rightly so, about catching the coronavirus
We all now know, that overseas travellers, from aeroplanes and cruise ships, have helped to bring, and spread the coronavirus, into Australia We also all now know, by looking at other countries, that the coronavirus is spread, when people who are infected, (showing no signs of sickness), congregate with others
The local leaders of small towns, know that what little medical facilities they have, will not be enough, if the coronavirus comes to their town They would (in my opinion), be showing great disregard to their own (older) people, if they were still embracing visitors, who may unknowing be a carries of the coronavirus
Hope that the above makes sense, as I never was a scribe
The picture says it all
This is a town, in the South West region of Western Australia, (in my regional area)
I will assume that this is the thin edge of the wedge, and that other small towns will follow suit
I actually support what they are doing, to protect their own
And BTW Walpole, it's "locals", not "local's".
if we live on the road with no fixed address we have had 4-6 weeks to find a place to call home for the duration of the restriction of travel
if your still moving around it could be considered bad planning. if your still moving around people see you as a potential source of infection
do you blame them
might be like the people who went on holiday overseas an are now demanding for the government (taxpayers) to foot the bill to get them home
or the ones who are locked up in 5 star hotels ( at tax payer expense) an complaining about the food because they left coming home to the last minute and got caught out. more bad planning
-- Edited by landy on Monday 30th of March 2020 09:28:01 PM
at this point in time a day is making a difference
This is exactly correct.
We have many friends who are either out and about most of the time or permanently on the road.
Planning has ensured for them that they have either gone home or if that has not been possible then found a park that has accepted them so as to provide and allow them accomodation so as they may not be having to move around and thus Not Spread The Virus.
I hear this morning that since last Thursday police have intercepted 1100 road tourists at the Qld road borders and this is why, now, the borders will be completely closed to these people from Friday.
These are not genuine permanent travellers but those who believe they have a rite to come to Qld for the winter.
In the town where we are the police attend all the parks and will fine the managers if there are any extra people taken in. The excuse of....But we have paid our deposit... does not hack it as the police advised yesterday to refund anyone in that position.
Managers in most of the parks that we have heard about from friends would prefer self contained caravans and for those that have planned and do not have en-suite facilities, then they have been allocated a toilet and shower cubicle which will be for the sole use of those guests until this is over. There sit number or name will be on the door of the facility.
Some may say that this is harsh but this is being done to protect the people and the employees and managers who now have procedures in place to protect the ones who did plan for the lock down. Many of these tourists did not and have not complied with any isolation orders after crossing a border thus posing a risk to the ones that did plan.
They were all advised NOT TO TRAVEL. What part of that did they not understand.
Dont blame the councils, park owners or managers, they are doing their best.
The people that thought that were entitled to just keep floating from free camp to free camp or to go on their annual pilgrimage to the north are now in a predicament and will always be high risk while this pandemic exists.
For the good of all Australians please just stay put now how ever unsuitable you may think your environment is. For the good of all of us if you entitled people are stuck somewhere just try to self isolate. The quicker we all abide by requests, the quicker we will be over this.
Regards
Angie
-- Edited by bentaxlebabe on Tuesday 31st of March 2020 09:30:18 AM
I wouldnt deny people the right to sell up and travel as a lifestyle. But I am surprised about what appears to be a lack of a well considered Emergency Plan for many.
If people live in houses in hazardous areas they have things like bushfire or emergency plans to cover everything they can think they may face. This may mean a number of different plans for different scenarios. It is expected that they will activate that plan and protect themselves as necessary.
With this emergency, what it seems to me is the only plan many have for an emergency is to keep moving away from the area the problem is in. Fine for things like fires and cyclones, but not for a mobile and generalised threat. Either move, or go into hiding away from society. Unfortunately that has proved unacceptable due to the problem in this case being spread by the very action these nomads have chosen, and this has brought them into conflict with both the authorities, who are seeking to protect the society at large, and towns, who are trying to protect their community. Hardly unexpected, and really shouldnt be criticised. I still find it upsetting seeing people calling for boycotts when things get back to whatever the new normal looks like.
So what have we (I) learned. Firstly, communities will always support their own. While times are good, they welcome visitors, but will circle the wagons when things get tough. That is one thing nomads lose when they go on the road. Community. Think of the Gypsies of Europe!
Secondly, when this is over, nomads need to sit and develop a workable emergency plan, in conjunction with all levels of government. Something beyond endlessly driving around the bush. That wont be allowed. At least that will give them some security in the future.
Thirdly, the various levels of government now need to work a plan for assisting, controlling and protecting not only home dwellers, but also the growing nomad population. They also need some better emergency plans to ensure medical supplies and treatments are readily available quicker.
Next, free camps are fine, but will always be the first thing closed when health is compromised, as they would be a high risk location. Perhaps, for all the comments in this and in other places, caravan parks need to be considered a bit higher than they currently are. I find it ironic that they are now being criticised for not taking clients!
Anyway, I havent commented to start a bunfight, or as a criticism of people, merely to provoke some thought on how we can all do it better next time, because there is nothing surer than this happening again sometime.
And just remember, for all the bull and bravado I read on the forum, and in other places, we are all the same. Travellers and home dwellers. Scared, unsure of the future, worried about our families, friends, health and finances, and all just wanting this to end ASAP, and let us get on with our safe, boring and enjoyable lives.
cheers
blaze
To request, or no, demand that other look after our needs and make/adapt their needs to suit or fit us in is not really good enough.
Further the Furfy that travelers put money into small communities is a delusion that I cannot suffer.
Too many travelers want everything for free or as cheap as possible. Damn, I know people who will not stop somewhere there is no mobile phone signal, little lone free wifi
Travelers shop in the big centres were everything is generally plentiful and cheap and stock up. Hence the small towns, particularly at this time don't want them.
To spend $2 in a small town for a paper or $3 for a 2 litre carton of milk is not supporting these small communities.
I'm comfortable with that just so long as people don't whinge when things get really tough and I look after myself (and mine) with complete disregard for all others.
Either we have a supportive society or we don't....
Fair comment to Mike.
Hi Mike, to reply to this part of your post
I believe that we do have a supportive society, because there are more people helping, than hindering
But (in my opinion), we do have to look over the fence from time to time, to figure out why, people sometimes do hinder us
Old people (of my age), are afraid, and rightly so, about catching the coronavirus
We all now know, that overseas travellers, from aeroplanes and cruise ships, have helped to bring, and spread the coronavirus, into Australia
We also all now know, by looking at other countries, that the coronavirus is spread, when people who are infected, (showing no signs of sickness), congregate with others
The local leaders of small towns, know that what little medical facilities they have, will not be enough, if the coronavirus comes to their town
They would (in my opinion), be showing great disregard to their own (older) people, if they were still embracing visitors, who may unknowing be a carries of the coronavirus
Hope that the above makes sense, as I never was a scribe