With the reports on our different forms of media with this current spate of bush fires it is hard to believe that this is not the worst fires NSW has experienced.
I found this report on social media this morning.
NOW OUR 5TH WORST BUSHFIRE SEASON ON RECORD IN SOUTH EASTERN AUSTRALIA
1. 1851 Black Thursday VIC - 5,000,000 hectares
2. 1974/5 NSW - 4,500,000 hectares (plus 7.3 million hectares in Qld)
3. 1951/2 NSW - 4,000,000 hectares
4. 1984/5 NSW - 3,500,000 hectares
5. 2019 NSW - 2,700,000 hectares (and potentially more to come)
It appears that NSW certainly cops a more than fair share of bush fires.
Regards
Angie
blaze said
11:27 AM Dec 23, 2019
the raw data by itself doesn't mean too much, you need to break the data down into what type of fire ground was burnt. Like there is a big difference between 1000 hectares of grass land and a 1000 hectares of bush.
cheers
blaze
bgt said
12:28 PM Dec 23, 2019
There's a factor that has also changed that gets no coverage. There are now thousands of folk living on small 'tree change' blocks. In the past these areas were just bush. Now that bush has many properties scattered through it. So any fire that once may have affected just bush is now affecting many lives.
It's a very complicated and complex subject. It's a pity the media doesn't think beyond the headlines.
Rob Driver said
02:31 PM Dec 23, 2019
For basic statistics I would have thought a hectare is a hectare but there could be many many variables to the basics.
Yes, the tree change population could be also a determining factor and if we were to consider the frequency of fires then we could assume that at least a few of these fire outbreaks might be due to a lot higher numbers of people now living in what was bush, and fires being caused due to human error or misadventure. At one stage during this last week the news reported 94 fires burning in NSW, I wonder if there is a statistic to reflect this frequency on a given day or period.
Regards
Angie
-- Edited by bentaxlebabe on Monday 23rd of December 2019 02:32:16 PM
woolman said
09:36 AM Dec 24, 2019
I don't reckon there were too many fire bugs in 1851. If we took out deliberately lit and "accidental" by people's stupidly then there Is not a lot of fires left. While people keep living in the forest without 20 metres fire break totally void of flammable material, houses will get burnt down. In many shires in WA if no firebreak around buildings then no resourses will be used to protect those houses.
Time people took some responsibility to protect their own property, instead of blaming climate change.
Neil
Phillipn said
11:26 AM Dec 24, 2019
woolman wrote:
I don't reckon there were too many fire bugs in 1851. If we took out deliberately lit and "accidental" by people's stupidly then there Is not a lot of fires left. While people keep living in the forest without 20 metres fire break totally void of flammable material, houses will get burnt down. In many shires in WA if no firebreak around buildings then no resourses will be used to protect those houses. Time people took some responsibility to protect their own property, instead of blaming climate change. Neil
The bush was once burnt off at least every two years which reduced the fuel load. Their were no fires in the tree tops. Lets hope the greens and the present day governments learn a lesson from how these fires burnt every thing in their path and start having burn offs in the cool weather.
Those who think climate change is to blame do not know what they are talking about.
'They were labelled law breakers, fined $50,000 and left emotionally and financially drained.
But seven years after the Sheahans bulldozed trees to make a fire break an act that got them dragged before a magistrate and penalised they feel vindicated. Their house is one of the few in Reedy Creek, Victoria, still standing.'
Phillipn said
06:35 AM Dec 25, 2019
Whenarewethere wrote:
woolman wrote:
Time people took some responsibility to protect their own property, instead of blaming climate change. Neil
People want to clear trees but for most having the house raised to the ground will be the only financial option.
Most people will not be able to cough up a $50,000 fine plus legal costs.
'They were labelled law breakers, fined $50,000 and left emotionally and financially drained.
But seven years after the Sheahans bulldozed trees to make a fire break an act that got them dragged before a magistrate and penalised they feel vindicated. Their house is one of the few in Reedy Creek, Victoria, still standing.'
This is the good example of how out of touch the governments and councils are. The greenies of this world need to pull their heads in.
Izabarack said
02:21 PM Dec 25, 2019
Whenarewethere wrote:
Fire problem solved
Apparently Barnaby Joyce knows the answer to the bushfires. It does not require burning everything in Australia until there is nothing left to burn. You cannot laugh, his solution is every bit as good as that suggested by all the keyboard enabled experts.
With the reports on our different forms of media with this current spate of bush fires it is hard to believe that this is not the worst fires NSW has experienced.
I found this report on social media this morning.
NOW OUR 5TH WORST BUSHFIRE SEASON ON RECORD IN SOUTH EASTERN AUSTRALIA
1. 1851 Black Thursday VIC - 5,000,000 hectares
2. 1974/5 NSW - 4,500,000 hectares (plus 7.3 million hectares in Qld)
3. 1951/2 NSW - 4,000,000 hectares
4. 1984/5 NSW - 3,500,000 hectares
5. 2019 NSW - 2,700,000 hectares (and potentially more to come)
6. 1968/9 NSW - 2,000,000 + hectares
7. 1957/8 NSW - 2,000,000 + hectares
8. 1926/7 NSW - 2,000,000 + hectares
9. 2002/3 NSW - 1,500,000 hectares (plus 157,000 hectares in ACT)
10. 1938/39 VIC - 1,520,000 hectares
11. 2002/3 VIC - 1,280,000 hectares
12. 1943/4 VIC - 1,000,000 + hectares
13. 1978/9 NSW - 1,000,000 + hectares
14. 1993/4 NSW - 800,000 + hectares
15. 2001/2 NSW - 744,000 + hectares
Source : see below
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/nsw-premier-gladys-berejiklian-declares-state-of-emergency-amid-heatwave-fires/news-story/0e5640106371aca698b99d9c5f85c9ee
Source : https://www.dfes.wa.gov.au/publications/GeneralReports/FESA_Report-NationalInquiryonBushfireMitigationandManagement.pdf
It appears that NSW certainly cops a more than fair share of bush fires.
Regards
Angie
cheers
blaze
For basic statistics I would have thought a hectare is a hectare but there could be many many variables to the basics.
Yes, the tree change population could be also a determining factor and if we were to consider the frequency of fires then we could assume that at least a few of these fire outbreaks might be due to a lot higher numbers of people now living in what was bush, and fires being caused due to human error or misadventure.
At one stage during this last week the news reported 94 fires burning in NSW, I wonder if there is a statistic to reflect this frequency on a given day or period.
Regards
Angie
-- Edited by bentaxlebabe on Monday 23rd of December 2019 02:32:16 PM
The bush was once burnt off at least every two years which reduced the fuel load. Their were no fires in the tree tops. Lets hope the greens and the present day governments learn a lesson from how these fires burnt every thing in their path and start having burn offs in the cool weather.
Those who think climate change is to blame do not know what they are talking about.
No big fuel loads = no big fires.
Fire problem solved
People want to clear trees but for most having the house raised to the ground will be the only financial option.
Most people will not be able to cough up a $50,000 fine plus legal costs.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/fined-for-illegal-clearing-family-now-feel-vindicated-20090212-85bd.html
'They were labelled law breakers, fined $50,000 and left emotionally and financially drained.
But seven years after the Sheahans bulldozed trees to make a fire break an act that got them dragged before a magistrate and penalised they feel vindicated. Their house is one of the few in Reedy Creek, Victoria, still standing.'
This is the good example of how out of touch the governments and councils are. The greenies of this world need to pull their heads in.
Apparently Barnaby Joyce knows the answer to the bushfires. It does not require burning everything in Australia until there is nothing left to burn. You cannot laugh, his solution is every bit as good as that suggested by all the keyboard enabled experts.
Izq