What is going on.... shoot our Koalas Your kidding me.
JayDee said
06:01 PM Jul 13, 2019
The following is an extract from the Grey Nomad's Newsletter that hit my in box today.
Cull call
A South Australian Parliamentary Inquiry has been told that koalas, corellas, fur seals and other native animals are reaching unmanageable levels across the state. The Natural Resources Committee (NRC) said the animals needed to be culled, poisoned and euthanised to protect Australian biodiversity.
Can you believe that some so and so could make this comment.
My View.
&*%$ the biodiversity.
Leave these Australian treasure alone. Maybe we should be looking at the who's who that form part of the Natural Resources Committee in South Australia. Perhaps they are the ones who are unmanageable
Time for a new committee, or AS A SAY
THE BEST COMMITTEE IS A COMMITTEE ONE.
Peter_n_Margaret said
06:28 PM Jul 13, 2019
Koalas were introduced to Kangaroo Island.
Their numbers are such that they are killing the trees. The next step is that they starve to death.
Is that OK with you?
Cheers,
Peter
yobarr said
06:31 PM Jul 13, 2019
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
Koalas were introduced to Kangaroo Island. Their numbers are such that they are killing the trees. The next step is that they starve to death. Is that OK with you? Cheers, Peter
As usual Peter,you are correct,but apparently,for some people,there is way too much thinking involved here. Spare me!
-- Edited by yobarr on Saturday 13th of July 2019 06:36:50 PM
dabbler said
07:47 PM Jul 13, 2019
Of course, everyone wants the trees to be chockas with dropbears (and nothing else). Of course, without the dreaded biodiversity, those trees are destined to die off and then we won't even have the cute little grey balls of fluff. The commitee probably has professional membership or people with direct access to professionals in the area. It's a fair bet they know more than anyone here.
DeBe said
08:07 PM Jul 13, 2019
Fur seals are NZ fur seals & they are not native here. They compete with the local seals & are in plague proportion. The fur seals were only found on southern KI & nth & south Neptune Is back in 1974 when i was working on a Cray boat. They are now all the way up both gulfs in SA. The seal in my avatar is the local type at Sth Neptunes, there was plenty of NZ fur seals as well.
-- Edited by DeBe on Saturday 13th of July 2019 08:09:09 PM
Terryt said
08:30 PM Jul 13, 2019
Even tho the name may indicate otherwise NZ fur seals are native. They were nearly wiped out by sealers way back. I leave if they need culling to those with more expertise.
Kebbin said
09:24 AM Jul 14, 2019
As usual there is no thinking outside the box, true some areas may have an over population as there are ideal conditions no wild dogs, had plenty of food and no humans doing atrocious things to them. I seem to remember that when there was and over supply on Kangaroo Is. years back, some were moved to the mainland where they were very thin in some regions, through no fault of their own.
Now with the prediction that the Koala is going to become extinct in the next generation or two without intervention, wouldn't it be worthwhile to trap and move Koalas rather then shoot or poison them?
JayDee said
09:36 AM Jul 14, 2019
Kebbin wrote:
As usual there is no thinking outside the box, true some areas may have an over population as there are ideal conditions no wild dogs, had plenty of food and no humans doing atrocious things to them. I seem to remember that when there was and over supply on Kangaroo Is. years back, some were moved to the mainland where they were very thin in some regions, through no fault of their own. Now with the prediction that the Koala is going to become extinct in the next generation or two without intervention, wouldn't it be worthwhile to trap and move Koalas rather then shoot or poison them?
Totally agree with you Kebbin,
Trap them and then send up here to Queensland.
We have a couple of trees where they can live and survive.
But culling them, no way.
You and I know who will be the first to bitch and complain if and when the Koala should become extinct.
Yes they would be welcome to God's country.
Jay&Dee
Peter_n_Margaret said
03:29 PM Jul 14, 2019
I guess you would advocate relocating Corellas and seals too?
How about rounding up a few thousand kangaroos?
Cheers,
Peter
dabbler said
03:51 PM Jul 14, 2019
Koalas are disappearing from SEQ because we rip out too much habitat and replace it with houses, highways and dogs. Relocation sounds good but is still a death sentence.
Peter_n_Margaret said
04:58 PM Jul 14, 2019
We live in the southern hills of Adelaide in a Grey Box woodland and have koalas on our property on a regular basis. Traditionally, they did not live in this area as the trees here are not ideal, but they have been pushed out of their preferred area a few kms away because of residential housing development. It is not the houses that are the problem, but the lack of appropriate feed trees. They have little fear, which also makes them vulnerable. The down side is that they often suffer from kidney failure. Maybe this is due to the different trees, I am not sure. We always leave water out for them and they often take advantage of that in the summer, particularly the youngsters.
We found this one on the road, licking water out of the gutter. It drank a lot of what we offered. This is often a sign of kidney failure and we called the local rescue group. Unfortunately it did not survive.
It is a pity that some who know nothing about these and other animals always think they know more than the experts. If you want to help, join a group led by those who do know something and you will discover that it is not as simple as it first appears.
Koalas were introduced to Kangaroo Island. Their numbers are such that they are killing the trees. The next step is that they starve to death. Is that OK with you? Cheers, Peter
Same thing goes for Phillip Island & Cape Otway in VIC.
montie said
08:58 PM Jul 15, 2019
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
I guess you would advocate relocating Corellas and seals too? How about rounding up a few thousand kangaroos? Cheers, Peter
Koalas are endangered on the mainland.
For many years I lived on a property where we had colonies of Koalas and every year on request on a particular Sunday morning we all took stock. The result year on year was the same.....declining numbers.
If Kangaroo Island has an over breeding problem then why not introduce a relocation program instead of accepting the inevitable if this thread is anything to go by.
Once we've worked out what to do about the Koalas, which is what I believe this thread is about, then we can move on to the corellas, seals and kangaroos. I believe kangaroos are prolific on Kangaroo Island!
blaze said
09:11 PM Jul 15, 2019
montie wrote:
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
I guess you would advocate relocating Corellas and seals too? How about rounding up a few thousand kangaroos? Cheers, Peter
Koalas are endangered on the mainland.
For many years I lived on a property where we had colonies of Koalas and every year on request on a particular Sunday morning we all took stock. The result year on year was the same.....declining numbers.
If Kangaroo Island has an over breeding problem then why not introduce a relocation program instead of accepting the inevitable if this thread is anything to go by.
Once we've worked out what to do about the Koalas, which is what I believe this thread is about, then we can move on to the corellas, seals and kangaroos. I believe kangaroos are prolific on Kangaroo Island!
not much use relocating them until we stop their habitat destruction off where they are going to be relocated and build a series of pathways between locations
cheers
blaze
ps as for roos and corellas, there are more now than any time in history, we have built an ideal habitat for them
Peter_n_Margaret said
09:18 PM Jul 15, 2019
montie wrote:
For many years I lived on a property where we had colonies of Koalas and every year on request on a particular Sunday morning we all took stock. The result year on year was the same.....declining numbers.
And just EXACTLY why are the numbers declining Montie?
Until and unless you not only answer that question but remove the total causes of that decline, shifting more koalas into that environment will simply be a death sentence for them and the ones already there.
You know some stuff about caravans. There are people who know about Koalas and have studied them for decades. We without that knowledge and experience should be very cautious about telling them how to do their jobs.
Cheers,
Peter
JayDee said
09:48 PM Jul 15, 2019
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
montie wrote:
For many years I lived on a property where we had colonies of Koalas and every year on request on a particular Sunday morning we all took stock. The result year on year was the same.....declining numbers.
And just EXACTLY why are the numbers declining Montie?
Until and unless you not only answer that question but remove the total causes of that decline, shifting more koalas into that environment will simply be a death sentence for them and the ones already there.
You know some stuff about caravans. There are people who know about Koalas and have studied them for decades. We without that knowledge and experience should be very cautious about telling them how to do their jobs.
Cheers,
Peter
Peter you seem to have posted about 4 comments on this thread.
So tell us uninformed G.N. what is the answer to the Koala, beside culling the poor animals.
We look forward to your knowledgeable response.
Jay&Dee
montie said
10:18 PM Jul 15, 2019
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
montie wrote:
For many years I lived on a property where we had colonies of Koalas and every year on request on a particular Sunday morning we all took stock. The result year on year was the same.....declining numbers.
And just EXACTLY why are the numbers declining Montie?
Until and unless you not only answer that question but remove the total causes of that decline, shifting more koalas into that environment will simply be a death sentence for them and the ones already there.
You know some stuff about caravans. There are people who know about Koalas and have studied them for decades. We without that knowledge and experience should be very cautious about telling them how to do their jobs.
Cheers,
Peter
Koala numbers are declining because of shrinking habitat, disease and traffic and dog casualties.
So we need to address these problems with acceptable outcomes rather than culling in one area when we have declining numbers in another.
Suggested solutions are far more positive and possibly productive rather than accepting a negative situation and acting accordingly.
Culling may be an acceptable solution for over population of kangaroos or maybe even crocodiles but definitely not for Koalas.
Koala numbers are declining because of shrinking habitat, disease and traffic and dog casualties.
So we need to address these problems with acceptable outcomes rather than culling in one area when we have declining numbers in another.
Suggested solutions are far more positive and possibly productive rather than accepting a negative situation and acting accordingly.
Culling may be an acceptable solution for over population of kangaroos or maybe even crocodiles but definitely not for Koalas.
You are right Montie, but the fact of reducing habitat is not being addressed at all, from what I can see.
Urban sprawl, new coal mines and any other activity with money attached, all get priority over koala habitat. Creating new habitat takes decades. Land clearing in Queensland is still acceptable. Where will this new habitat be? It wold be wonderful if it happened, but ..
Until the habitat starts increasing rather than decreasing, moving koalas to those areas where the population is decreasing is counter productive. If the habitat is increased, they won't need to be relocated to those areas as they will take care of the population increase themselves. Native animals do that.
Cheers,
Peter
daffyfrancis said
05:43 PM Jul 16, 2019
If anyone would like to relocate wallaby from here in Southern Tas it would save me spotlighting on these cold winter nights - We currently are agisting only 10 cattle on our 30 acres because on most nights I estimate there are approx 50 - 70 wallaby (about 80% the size of a small sheep the other 20% are bigger than a large sheep). Before a major bushfire in 1967 there were virtually no wallaby on pasture here & were confined to their natural habitat of isolated scrub & bushland many miles inland. Looking at all the roadkill on our country road perhaps I should approach Insurance Companies for a culling subsidy due to the amount of vehicle damage from animal strike each week.
The following is an extract from the Grey Nomad's Newsletter that hit my in box today.
Cull call
A South Australian Parliamentary Inquiry has been told that koalas, corellas, fur seals and other native animals are reaching unmanageable levels across the state. The Natural Resources Committee (NRC) said the animals needed to be culled, poisoned and euthanised to protect Australian biodiversity.
Can you believe that some so and so could make this comment.
My View.
&*%$ the biodiversity.
Leave these Australian treasure alone. Maybe we should be looking at the who's who that form part of the Natural Resources Committee in South Australia. Perhaps they are the ones who are unmanageable
Time for a new committee, or AS A SAY
THE BEST COMMITTEE IS A COMMITTEE ONE.
Their numbers are such that they are killing the trees. The next step is that they starve to death.
Is that OK with you?
Cheers,
Peter
As usual Peter,you are correct,but apparently,for some people,there is way too much thinking involved here. Spare me!
-- Edited by yobarr on Saturday 13th of July 2019 06:36:50 PM
Fur seals are NZ fur seals & they are not native here. They compete with the local seals & are in plague proportion. The fur seals were only found on southern KI & nth & south Neptune Is back in 1974 when i was working on a Cray boat. They are now all the way up both gulfs in SA. The seal in my avatar is the local type at Sth Neptunes, there was plenty of NZ fur seals as well.
-- Edited by DeBe on Saturday 13th of July 2019 08:09:09 PM
Now with the prediction that the Koala is going to become extinct in the next generation or two without intervention, wouldn't it be worthwhile to trap and move Koalas rather then shoot or poison them?
Totally agree with you Kebbin,
Trap them and then send up here to Queensland.
We have a couple of trees where they can live and survive.
But culling them, no way.
You and I know who will be the first to bitch and complain if and when the Koala should become extinct.
Yes they would be welcome to God's country.
Jay&Dee
How about rounding up a few thousand kangaroos?
Cheers,
Peter
We live in the southern hills of Adelaide in a Grey Box woodland and have koalas on our property on a regular basis.
Traditionally, they did not live in this area as the trees here are not ideal, but they have been pushed out of their preferred area a few kms away because of residential housing development.
It is not the houses that are the problem, but the lack of appropriate feed trees. They have little fear, which also makes them vulnerable.
The down side is that they often suffer from kidney failure. Maybe this is due to the different trees, I am not sure. We always leave water out for them and they often take advantage of that in the summer, particularly the youngsters.
We found this one on the road, licking water out of the gutter. It drank a lot of what we offered. This is often a sign of kidney failure and we called the local rescue group. Unfortunately it did not survive.
It is a pity that some who know nothing about these and other animals always think they know more than the experts. If you want to help, join a group led by those who do know something and you will discover that it is not as simple as it first appears.
Cheers,
Peter
Same thing goes for Phillip Island & Cape Otway in VIC.
Koalas are endangered on the mainland.
For many years I lived on a property where we had colonies of Koalas and every year on request on a particular Sunday morning we all took stock. The result year on year was the same.....declining numbers.
If Kangaroo Island has an over breeding problem then why not introduce a relocation program instead of accepting the inevitable if this thread is anything to go by.
Once we've worked out what to do about the Koalas, which is what I believe this thread is about, then we can move on to the corellas, seals and kangaroos. I believe kangaroos are prolific on Kangaroo Island!
not much use relocating them until we stop their habitat destruction off where they are going to be relocated and build a series of pathways between locations
cheers
blaze
ps as for roos and corellas, there are more now than any time in history, we have built an ideal habitat for them
And just EXACTLY why are the numbers declining Montie?
Until and unless you not only answer that question but remove the total causes of that decline, shifting more koalas into that environment will simply be a death sentence for them and the ones already there.
You know some stuff about caravans. There are people who know about Koalas and have studied them for decades. We without that knowledge and experience should be very cautious about telling them how to do their jobs.
Cheers,
Peter
Peter you seem to have posted about 4 comments on this thread.
So tell us uninformed G.N. what is the answer to the Koala, beside culling the poor animals.
We look forward to your knowledgeable response.
Jay&Dee
Koala numbers are declining because of shrinking habitat, disease and traffic and dog casualties.
So we need to address these problems with acceptable outcomes rather than culling in one area when we have declining numbers in another.
Suggested solutions are far more positive and possibly productive rather than accepting a negative situation and acting accordingly.
Culling may be an acceptable solution for over population of kangaroos or maybe even crocodiles but definitely not for Koalas.
You are right Montie, but the fact of reducing habitat is not being addressed at all, from what I can see.
Urban sprawl, new coal mines and any other activity with money attached, all get priority over koala habitat. Creating new habitat takes decades. Land clearing in Queensland is still acceptable. Where will this new habitat be? It wold be wonderful if it happened, but ..
Until the habitat starts increasing rather than decreasing, moving koalas to those areas where the population is decreasing is counter productive. If the habitat is increased, they won't need to be relocated to those areas as they will take care of the population increase themselves. Native animals do that.
Cheers,
Peter
If anyone would like to relocate wallaby from here in Southern Tas it would save me spotlighting on these cold winter nights - We currently are agisting only 10 cattle on our 30 acres because on most nights I estimate there are approx 50 - 70 wallaby (about 80% the size of a small sheep the other 20% are bigger than a large sheep). Before a major bushfire in 1967 there were virtually no wallaby on pasture here & were confined to their natural habitat of isolated scrub & bushland many miles inland. Looking at all the roadkill on our country road perhaps I should approach Insurance Companies for a culling subsidy due to the amount of vehicle damage from animal strike each week.
David