Have been going through all inspection for licencing motor home in Old. The body of motor home has 40mm too much overhang to be legal, that without including the original included ladder which is another 300mm. I am sure if ours is built too long then there must be many more on the road in same boat. Mine has been licenced in NSW and WA since 2005 with no concern.
Has anyone been successful in getting an oversize permit in Old in similar circumstances?
Neil
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Yuglamron said
08:43 PM Jan 29, 2019
I would suggest you get a permit and take it South to NSW and register it there.
I gave up with mine in Qld and register it in NSW.
Inspectors told me in Qld I had to have a VIN number, No actually.(I have an exemption Certificate and a MOD Plate)
I would have had to modify the exhaust, (It Did not extend beyond the side of the vehicle). (Wrong) I wasn't allowed to have my tow hitch under the rear of the vehicle.(It does not protrude beyond the Rear Bumper.) Or Have permanent linkages for my tow chains. I was not allowed to retro fit anti spray brushes around the wheel arches, or have anti spray mudflaps. All incorrect by the inspectors. I was told my lightbar on top of the Nudge bar was illegal. Also wrong, it is centralised and not visible from the drivers position. Also legal. I should have two colour running lights on the side of my vehicle. amber on the front and red showing to the rear. Wrong. It is not a trailer. I had a slimline rego plate on the front and standard on the rear. Another wrong one. Both within the guidelines and placement rules for QLD.
Private personalised plates supplied by the Qld Govt and the transfer fees to put on the vehicle all paid, and the old Qld plates surrendered. Told my Draglink bar should have Gaiters like CV joints and Kingpins. No such thing made. Original and legal.
A few other things that they said were wrong. One was load and speed ratings for my tyres. Also wrong. Both speed and load ratings are higher than required.
All in all if I was a rich bugger I would have gone to town on them and taken them on in court. But not having the wherewithal I bit the bullet and got a permit in NSW to bring it over the border.
I wasn't going to give the sods the fee in Qld to bring it South. Only cost me $24 for the 24 hour permit from NSW Transport.
How come as an aside, that all the Fiat Ducatos I've seen have the exhaust just to the rear of the driver's side door and in the majority of cases under an opening window. Now That is Illegal.
Peter_n_Margaret said
09:39 PM Jan 29, 2019
The maximum overhang regulations are the same in all States, Australia wide.
Cheers,
Peter
Yuglamron said
12:04 AM Jan 30, 2019
True. Rear Overhang R.O.H. and that is 3.7m to the rearmost part. Including toolboxes, ladders, bike racks etc.
ROH is measured from (Single Axle) Middle of the axle to the rearmost part of the Van including additions. Double axle ( Middle point of the two axles) Three axles Middle of the centre axle.
Someone commented on an earlier thread, Re ROH,how come they are registered if they exceed dimensions?
Exactly.
My point the reason I brought my MH to NSW. The inspectors who examined mine in Qld were ignorant of the Laws. I expect and hope they pick up safety issues, but when they fail your vehicle because they don't know the rules themselves.
2-Smiths said
08:31 AM Jan 30, 2019
Yuglamron wrote:
I would suggest you get a permit and take it South to NSW and register it there.
I gave up with mine in Qld and register it in NSW.
Inspectors told me in Qld I had to have a VIN number, No actually.(I have an exemption Certificate and a MOD Plate)
I would have had to modify the exhaust, (It Did not extend beyond the side of the vehicle). (Wrong) I wasn't allowed to have my tow hitch under the rear of the vehicle.(It does not protrude beyond the Rear Bumper.) Or Have permanent linkages for my tow chains. I was not allowed to retro fit anti spray brushes around the wheel arches, or have anti spray mudflaps. All incorrect by the inspectors. I was told my lightbar on top of the Nudge bar was illegal. Also wrong, it is centralised and not visible from the drivers position. Also legal. I should have two colour running lights on the side of my vehicle. amber on the front and red showing to the rear. Wrong. It is not a trailer. I had a slimline rego plate on the front and standard on the rear. Another wrong one. Both within the guidelines and placement rules for QLD.
Private personalised plates supplied by the Qld Govt and the transfer fees to put on the vehicle all paid, and the old Qld plates surrendered. Told my Draglink bar should have Gaiters like CV joints and Kingpins. No such thing made. Original and legal.
A few other things that they said were wrong. One was load and speed ratings for my tyres. Also wrong. Both speed and load ratings are higher than required.
All in all if I was a rich bugger I would have gone to town on them and taken them on in court. But not having the wherewithal I bit the bullet and got a permit in NSW to bring it over the border.
I wasn't going to give the sods the fee in Qld to bring it South. Only cost me $24 for the 24 hour permit from NSW Transport.
How come as an aside, that all the Fiat Ducatos I've seen have the exhaust just to the rear of the driver's side door and in the majority of cases under an opening window. Now That is Illegal.
Your experience effectively "sums up" why we've put the whole motor home thing well and truly on the back burner.
We looked at a number of them. Definitely wanted to get one which was already engineered/registered in either WA or Vic (for obvious reasons). Turned out to be too hard, on any number of fronts.
1) We looked at/had inspected in WA showed a tare of 7760kgs, and a GVM of 12500kg. When weighed for "tare" as a motorhome (full water tank etc.) it went over at 11800kg. I discussed this situation on this very forum and was - rightly - advised to avoid buying it.
2) We looked at others also, including flying to S.A to look at what was a quite nice thing. But there were concerns, including the ability to transfer/establish rego in SA (given that we'll ultimately end up in QLD). We specifically wanted to avoid the hassle of trying to establish rego in places like QLD, knowing that we'd effectively have to get the thing completely re-engineered from scratch, even though it had already been, and ahd all the mod plates/certificates etc.
At the end of the day, we didn't feel that we could commit $ (in the $70K range) to a vehicle, only to then need to fork out thousands more for spurious "extra" engineering works...esp. given that we might struggle to actually sell an MR/HR vehicle down the track (as much as anything else because a prospective buyer would have the same re-engineering reservations if they were from another state.)
In the end, it all became a bit much.
We bought a boat instead, and will do some basic travelling later this year (April-August) in our 4WD (hence my thread elsewhere on the topic).
It has to be said, that the "system" is set up to add layer upon layer of (unnecessary) bureaucracy and cost at every turn. So much so, it becomes almost un-viable, unless you have very deep pockets. For us, the $ were in the main better off saved/invested for a return.
Peter_n_Margaret said
08:59 AM Jan 30, 2019
Yuglamron wrote:
True. Rear Overhang R.O.H. and that is 3.7m to the rearmost part. Including toolboxes, ladders, bike racks etc.
ROH is measured from (Single Axle) Middle of the axle to the rearmost part of the Van including additions. Double axle ( Middle point of the two axles) Three axles Middle of the centre axle.
Rear overhang is a maximum of 60% of the wheel base or 3.7M, whichever is less.
At 1.8M (including the spare wheels), the OKA is right on the limit.
Thanks fot all the responces.
I have some explaination of how motorhome has been legally licenced in other states.
The imported chassis has been extended to make the over hang meet the 60% rule and approved under Australian design rules. Under the "low volume Procedures" which is the regulation motorhomes are constructed there can be exemption granted for over hang. It is illegal to have the ends of chassis exposed, must have a bumper protection( to a required standard). Also as the emergency exit is the rear window the ladder is required for safe exit (as well as access to roof more important to me).
Bottom line the motor home would not be legal without a rear bumper and "emergency" ladder, and chassis can't be legally cut off shorter , therefore excess overhang is acceptable in all states except Qld.
Next step to see if Qld will now comply with national design rules. the exemption has been included in the national design rules for a reason.
thanks
Neil
Baz421 said
11:57 AM Feb 4, 2019
Yuglamron wrote:
Yes it's a bloody minefield registering and inspecting MotorHomes and Caravans in Australia.
I would suggest that you Google ADR's re Mirrors fitted to vehicles in Australia.
It would be an exercise in utter futility if you do look.
Not only technically complicated it does contravene it's own rules between different sections.
You would also need a Degree in Gobbledygook to make head nor tail of them.
The science quoted would need an optometrist to understand (Maybe)
I suggest you don't read ADR's as they are complicated and specific to dat of manufacture etc etc and for an in use vehicle situation,, must be validly called up in legislation. Can be a minefield for most.
I used to write Tech Bulletins based and legislation/ADRs
woolman said
05:41 PM Feb 4, 2019
Our motor home is now officially aproved by Qld Transport.
The trick is the special pupose compliance number on the compliance plate and go to "Engineering - Vehicle Team, Vehicle Safety Standards - Surface Transport Policy, Department of Infrasrtucture, Region Development and Cities". These people can provide to the licencing people in Qld all the exemptions approved on that motorhome from that number.
I believe there is only one person in Qld Department of Transport that now knows that these exemptions exist and she is in Nambour office.
Hope this helps someone else attempting to comply with Qld laws.
I would suggest you get a permit and take it South to NSW and register it there.
I gave up with mine in Qld and register it in NSW.
Inspectors told me in Qld I had to have a VIN number, No actually.(I have an exemption Certificate and a MOD Plate)
I would have had to modify the exhaust, (It Did not extend beyond the side of the vehicle). (Wrong) I wasn't allowed to have my tow hitch under the rear of the vehicle.(It does not protrude beyond the Rear Bumper.) Or Have permanent linkages for my tow chains. I was not allowed to retro fit anti spray brushes around the wheel arches, or have anti spray mudflaps. All incorrect by the inspectors. I was told my lightbar on top of the Nudge bar was illegal. Also wrong, it is centralised and not visible from the drivers position. Also legal. I should have two colour running lights on the side of my vehicle. amber on the front and red showing to the rear. Wrong. It is not a trailer. I had a slimline rego plate on the front and standard on the rear. Another wrong one. Both within the guidelines and placement rules for QLD.
Private personalised plates supplied by the Qld Govt and the transfer fees to put on the vehicle all paid, and the old Qld plates surrendered. Told my Draglink bar should have Gaiters like CV joints and Kingpins. No such thing made. Original and legal.
A few other things that they said were wrong. One was load and speed ratings for my tyres. Also wrong. Both speed and load ratings are higher than required.
All in all if I was a rich bugger I would have gone to town on them and taken them on in court. But not having the wherewithal I bit the bullet and got a permit in NSW to bring it over the border.
I wasn't going to give the sods the fee in Qld to bring it South. Only cost me $24 for the 24 hour permit from NSW Transport.
How come as an aside, that all the Fiat Ducatos I've seen have the exhaust just to the rear of the driver's side door and in the majority of cases under an opening window. Now That is Illegal.
Cheers,
Peter
True. Rear Overhang R.O.H. and that is 3.7m to the rearmost part. Including toolboxes, ladders, bike racks etc.
ROH is measured from (Single Axle) Middle of the axle to the rearmost part of the Van including additions. Double axle ( Middle point of the two axles) Three axles Middle of the centre axle.
Someone commented on an earlier thread, Re ROH,how come they are registered if they exceed dimensions?
Exactly.
My point the reason I brought my MH to NSW. The inspectors who examined mine in Qld were ignorant of the Laws. I expect and hope they pick up safety issues, but when they fail your vehicle because they don't know the rules themselves.
Your experience effectively "sums up" why we've put the whole motor home thing well and truly on the back burner.
We looked at a number of them. Definitely wanted to get one which was already engineered/registered in either WA or Vic (for obvious reasons). Turned out to be too hard, on any number of fronts.
1) We looked at/had inspected in WA showed a tare of 7760kgs, and a GVM of 12500kg. When weighed for "tare" as a motorhome (full water tank etc.) it went over at 11800kg. I discussed this situation on this very forum and was - rightly - advised to avoid buying it.
2) We looked at others also, including flying to S.A to look at what was a quite nice thing. But there were concerns, including the ability to transfer/establish rego in SA (given that we'll ultimately end up in QLD). We specifically wanted to avoid the hassle of trying to establish rego in places like QLD, knowing that we'd effectively have to get the thing completely re-engineered from scratch, even though it had already been, and ahd all the mod plates/certificates etc.
At the end of the day, we didn't feel that we could commit $ (in the $70K range) to a vehicle, only to then need to fork out thousands more for spurious "extra" engineering works...esp. given that we might struggle to actually sell an MR/HR vehicle down the track (as much as anything else because a prospective buyer would have the same re-engineering reservations if they were from another state.)
In the end, it all became a bit much.
We bought a boat instead, and will do some basic travelling later this year (April-August) in our 4WD (hence my thread elsewhere on the topic).
It has to be said, that the "system" is set up to add layer upon layer of (unnecessary) bureaucracy and cost at every turn. So much so, it becomes almost un-viable, unless you have very deep pockets. For us, the $ were in the main better off saved/invested for a return.
Rear overhang is a maximum of 60% of the wheel base or 3.7M, whichever is less.
At 1.8M (including the spare wheels), the OKA is right on the limit.
Cheers,
Peter
Yes it's a bloody minefield registering and inspecting MotorHomes and Caravans in Australia.
I would suggest that you Google ADR's re Mirrors fitted to vehicles in Australia.
It would be an exercise in utter futility if you do look.
Not only technically complicated it does contravene it's own rules between different sections.
You would also need a Degree in Gobbledygook to make head nor tail of them.
The science quoted would need an optometrist to understand (Maybe)
I did google just because, its a nightmare, you don't wanta be fitting mirrors any time
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2006L02663
cheers
blaze
I have some explaination of how motorhome has been legally licenced in other states.
The imported chassis has been extended to make the over hang meet the 60% rule and approved under Australian design rules. Under the "low volume Procedures" which is the regulation motorhomes are constructed there can be exemption granted for over hang. It is illegal to have the ends of chassis exposed, must have a bumper protection( to a required standard). Also as the emergency exit is the rear window the ladder is required for safe exit (as well as access to roof more important to me).
Bottom line the motor home would not be legal without a rear bumper and "emergency" ladder, and chassis can't be legally cut off shorter , therefore excess overhang is acceptable in all states except Qld.
Next step to see if Qld will now comply with national design rules. the exemption has been included in the national design rules for a reason.
thanks
Neil
I suggest you don't read ADR's as they are complicated and specific to dat of manufacture etc etc and for an in use vehicle situation,, must be validly called up in legislation. Can be a minefield for most.
I used to write Tech Bulletins based and legislation/ADRs
Our motor home is now officially aproved by Qld Transport.
The trick is the special pupose compliance number on the compliance plate and go to "Engineering - Vehicle Team, Vehicle Safety Standards - Surface Transport Policy, Department of Infrasrtucture, Region Development and Cities". These people can provide to the licencing people in Qld all the exemptions approved on that motorhome from that number.
I believe there is only one person in Qld Department of Transport that now knows that these exemptions exist and she is in Nambour office.
Hope this helps someone else attempting to comply with Qld laws.
thanks all
Neil