I have a 2017 dmaxspacecab and needs a Gvm upgrade to carry 3.5 or more payload has anyone out there had one done on there vehicle or other makes of 4wd
Thanks
Peter_n_Margaret said
09:34 AM Jan 27, 2019
I think you are confused. The D Max can NEVER carry 3.5T. Do you mean that you want to tow 3.5T? In this case do you want an increase in GCM (Gross Combination Mass?
It already has a 3.5T tow capacity, but you need to ensure you do not exceed the GVM.
-- Edited by Peter_n_Margaret on Sunday 27th of January 2019 09:41:17 AM
travelyounger said
09:41 AM Jan 27, 2019
I need a gvm upgrade I have spoken to a 4wd suspension shop and he said pedders or Lovell's have a kit just wondering has anyone had one done as my weight over the weigh bridge is 3.5 ton fully loaded cheers
yobarr said
09:46 AM Jan 27, 2019
travelyounger wrote:
I have a 2017 dmaxspacecab and needs a Gvm upgrade to carry 3.5 or more payload has anyone out there had one done on there vehicle or other makes of 4wd Thanks
As Peter has stated,you have zero chance of carrying 3500kg on a DMax,and with axle ratings of 1350kg front and 1870kg rear you have even less chance of safely towing 3500kg.Like other vehicles in that lightweight group,the ONLY way you can safely tow a 3500kg is if that trailer is a DOG trailer.Seems you are quite confused but if you would like more help please PM me.Cheers.
Didn't mention towing in the question. Maybe his set-up is only on the ute.
yobarr said
09:56 AM Jan 27, 2019
travelyounger wrote:
I need a gvm upgrade I have spoken to a 4wd suspension shop and he said pedders or Lovell's have a kit just wondering has anyone had one done as my weight over the weigh bridge is 3.5 ton fully loaded cheers
Oh Dear...this is looking worse by the minute! If you really have 3500kg on a DMax Spacecab your rear axle will be so overloaded that it will take a lot of work to sort that. With some cars the GVM is well under their axle ratings,so easily upgraded,but your car has a GVM of only 2950kg and axle ratings of 3220kg,both way under your present weight.A few more details on your load may help us give advice.....
montie said
10:17 AM Jan 27, 2019
I think what travelyounger is saying is his caravan weighs 3.5 tonne on the weighbridge.
If so, he doesn't need a GVM upgrade he needs a bigger tug!
yobarr said
10:51 AM Jan 27, 2019
montie wrote:
I think what travelyounger is saying is his caravan weighs 3.5 tonne on the weighbridge. If so, he doesn't need a GVM upgrade he needs a bigger tug!
Absolutely correct Montie....there is no way known that you can tow a 3500kg van with a car that has a GCM of only 5850kg....no way.At 10% ball weight that would leave 2700kg GVM,with the van a massive 17% heavier than the car.Talk about an accident looking for a place to happen.As you say,if she (the profile says F) wants to tow 3500kg,she needs a bigger....much bigger, car.Cheers
Possum3 said
01:20 PM Jan 27, 2019
Travelyounger, As others have indicated I believe you are confused with all the tech - Contact Colin Young Chief Engineer at Caravan Council of Australia by Phone or email, I am certain he can get you to what you need to do to become compliant and safe. CARAVAN COUNCIL OF AUSTRALIA 3 Margaret Street, Parkdale VIC 3195 Tel: 0409 865 399 Fax: 03 9587 1828
-- Edited by Possum3 on Sunday 27th of January 2019 01:20:41 PM
travelyounger said
06:23 AM Jan 28, 2019
Thanks for the help guys we are living the road and a lot of extra weight csm full canopy eg boat motor fridges tools. Our van is 6.8 m gvm 2.8 Tb weight 280 kg .I could fit another axle but to much expense I already have upgraded suspension but no gvm upgrade I was talking to a mechanic and he said you can do a 400 kg upgrade with pedders cost approx 5500 in WA but maybe not on used cars I was recommended to see ultimate 4wd in perth .this upgrade will only give more payload on the car not over all g I will working in the mildura area until June if anyone knows a good suspension place cheers
JackoFJR said
12:09 PM Jan 28, 2019
Give Lovells in Melbourne a ring they will tell you what's available for the Dmax
I had a Dmax extra Cab with a ARB GVM upgrade before first rego that was a increase of 270KG to 3220GVM , it was the only one available at the time , Lovells hadn't developed theirs at that time .
I think Lovells Dmax upgrade is to 3500kg GVM , like I said ring Lovells then you will know for sure ,
You wont be able to increase GCM it will remain at manufacture spec .
I know you can do a Lovells GVM upgrade on a already registered vehicle , a mate has just done his HiLux .
Lovells probably have a agent in Mildura that could do the job but doing a upgrade on a WA registered vehicle in VIc , dunno about that , probably best to see if Lovells have a agent in WA .
yobarr said
04:37 PM Jan 28, 2019
travelyounger wrote:
Thanks for the help guys we are living the road and a lot of extra weight csm full canopy eg boat motor fridges tools. Our van is 6.8 m gvm 2.8 Tb weight 280 kg .I could fit another axle but to much expense I already have upgraded suspension but no gvm upgrade I was talking to a mechanic and he said you can do a 400 kg upgrade with pedders cost approx 5500 in WA but maybe not on used cars I was recommended to see ultimate 4wd in perth .this upgrade will only give more payload on the car not over all g I will working in the mildura area until June if anyone knows a good suspension place cheers
With a 2800kg GVM van and 10% ball weight,your GTM (weight on van wheels) is 2520kg.With a GCM of 5850kg,the MOST your car can weigh is 3330kg including the ball weight,but your 1870kg rear axle is where the problem is going to be.Cheers
travelyounger said
05:22 PM Jan 28, 2019
Thanks I will give them a call car is nsw reg
Dougwe said
05:28 PM Jan 28, 2019
Just to chuck a 6mm spanner into the mix. I thought I read somewhere and it might have even been a link on the forum somewhere that the 'powers to be' were going to stop "Upgrades" being done
Could be worth checking up on travelyounger
JackoFJR said
07:42 PM Jan 28, 2019
travelyounger wrote:
Thanks I will give them a call car is nsw reg
Yes mate that's the best , that's the only way you will get accurate information , you can get a GVM upgrade greater than the manufactures axel rating on some vehicles and I think the Dmax is one of them
from what you have said about the weights above , I think even with a upgrade you will have to look at lightening the load if you want to be legal .
Here ya go , I didn't read the full details but it looks like Lovells can increase the Dmax GVM to 3600kg
Thanks for the help guys we are living the road and a lot of extra weight csm full canopy eg boat motor fridges tools. Our van is 6.8 m gvm 2.8 Tb weight 280 kg .I could fit another axle but to much expense I already have upgraded suspension but no gvm upgrade I was talking to a mechanic and he said you can do a 400 kg upgrade with pedders cost approx 5500 in WA but maybe not on used cars I was recommended to see ultimate 4wd in perth .this upgrade will only give more payload on the car not over all g I will working in the mildura area until June if anyone knows a good suspension place cheers
Travelyounger,
Please put some thought into what you are proposing.
You might be advised to spend your money on a more suitable tug.
travelyounger said
08:04 AM Jan 29, 2019
Thanks for that information that is what I am after cheers
barrie said
03:14 PM Jan 29, 2019
Only on new vechicles Dougwe.
JackoFJR said
03:37 PM Jan 29, 2019
Dougwe wrote:
Just to chuck a 6mm spanner into the mix. I thought I read somewhere and it might have even been a link on the forum somewhere that the 'powers to be' were going to stop "Upgrades" being done
Could be worth checking up on travelyounger
It was the GCM upgrades that were the issues and were being looked at and I'm not sure how that's going , last time I talked to the local spring joint ( a few months ago ) it was still a grey area .
GVM upgrades are still ok on new and already registered vehicles
travelyounger said
04:12 PM Jan 29, 2019
Hi I called lovells today 3600 upgrade in most states WA only new vehicles under federal law same with nsw and Victoria. Nsw and Victoria can do vehicles already registered under state laws and only are certified in the state that the car is reg in .the vehicle is legal in all states as it has been certified By there state engineer and if the vehicle is sold out of the state it was certified in will have to be inspected by that states engineer to comply with that states Upgrade specification .THe cost is approx 5000 to 60000 this includes the new suspension labour engineer certificate and New gvm on registration .Some vehicles like 200 cruisers can have there towing up to 4 ton and there overall gvm increased just depends on make and model cheers.
Hottuna said
10:11 AM Feb 5, 2019
My ranger was done with gvm and gcm upgrade prior to first registration 31/12/18 by lovells. They recommended a transmission cooler fitted as well, $5500 from memory total. Fitted by Allterrian 4x4 in Victoria.
Baz421 said
02:47 PM Feb 5, 2019
Hi all, some info
The current Federal Motor Vehicle Standards Act 1989 and Regulations (Regs) have been reviewed and a new Act - quote:
The Road Vehicle Standards Act 2018 (RVSA) will replace the Motor Vehicle Standards Act 1989 (MVSA) and deliver an updated and modernised system to regulate the first provision of road vehicles to the Australian market. - unquote.
A quick read indicates that the Act will take effect in parts between Dec18 and Dec19 and transition arrangements will be in place. I would guess that by Dec19 the Regs for the Act will be finalized.
Until then unless stated otherwise IMHO the status quo remains ie the 1989 Act & Regs are in force..
I use to work with the 1989 Act and Regs and whilst standardizing a lot of things there were exemptions for States/territories to maintain some of their own legislation - ie a compromise OR to allow transition period(s) before exchanging things ie rules for Modified Vehicles, 2nd Stage Compliance procedures and plates.
So until some one who has the time to read (takes hours and hours) AND understand it would pay to contact local Motor Vehicle authorities to ensure anything you want can be done at THIS TIME AND REMAIN VALID plus is it recognized in other states if you move.
Generally speaking vehicles registered in one state/territory can be driven Australia wide.
Just my opinion as I haven't got the time to follow through.
NOTE; THE FED GOVT WEBSITE SAYS ALL ARE CURRENT AS AT TODAY
Happy reading folks.
travelyounger said
06:21 AM Apr 20, 2019
Zero chance and confused are words used by people who think they know everything I suggest you keep your narrow minded thoughts to yourselves and only comment on these forums if you know the facts .
I think you are confused. The D Max can NEVER carry 3.5T.
Do you mean that you want to tow 3.5T? In this case do you want an increase in GCM (Gross Combination Mass?
It already has a 3.5T tow capacity, but you need to ensure you do not exceed the GVM.
https://isuzuute.com.au/media/documents/Isuzu_D-MAX_Specification_Sheet.pdf
Peter
-- Edited by Peter_n_Margaret on Sunday 27th of January 2019 09:41:17 AM
As Peter has stated,you have zero chance of carrying 3500kg on a DMax,and with axle ratings of 1350kg front and 1870kg rear you have even less chance of safely towing 3500kg.Like other vehicles in that lightweight group,the ONLY way you can safely tow a 3500kg is if that trailer is a DOG trailer.Seems you are quite confused but if you would like more help please PM me.Cheers.
Oh Dear...this is looking worse by the minute! If you really have 3500kg on a DMax Spacecab your rear axle will be so overloaded that it will take a lot of work to sort that. With some cars the GVM is well under their axle ratings,so easily upgraded,but your car has a GVM of only 2950kg and axle ratings of 3220kg,both way under your present weight.A few more details on your load may help us give advice.....
If so, he doesn't need a GVM upgrade he needs a bigger tug!
Absolutely correct Montie....there is no way known that you can tow a 3500kg van with a car that has a GCM of only 5850kg....no way.At 10% ball weight that would leave 2700kg GVM,with the van a massive 17% heavier than the car.Talk about an accident looking for a place to happen.As you say,if she (the profile says F) wants to tow 3500kg,she needs a bigger....much bigger, car.Cheers
Travelyounger, As others have indicated I believe you are confused with all the tech - Contact Colin Young Chief Engineer at Caravan Council of Australia by Phone or email, I am certain he can get you to what you need to do to become compliant and safe.
CARAVAN COUNCIL OF AUSTRALIA
3 Margaret Street,
Parkdale VIC 3195
Tel: 0409 865 399
Fax: 03 9587 1828
Email: caravancouncil@optusnet.com.au
-- Edited by Possum3 on Sunday 27th of January 2019 01:20:41 PM
Thanks for the help guys we are living the road and a lot of extra weight csm full canopy eg boat motor fridges tools. Our van is 6.8 m gvm 2.8 Tb weight 280 kg .I could fit another axle but to much expense I already have upgraded suspension but no gvm upgrade I was talking to a mechanic and he said you can do a 400 kg upgrade with pedders cost approx 5500 in WA but maybe not on used cars I was recommended to see ultimate 4wd in perth .this upgrade will only give more payload on the car not over all g I will working in the mildura area until June if anyone knows a good suspension place cheers
I had a Dmax extra Cab with a ARB GVM upgrade before first rego that was a increase of 270KG to 3220GVM , it was the only one available at the time , Lovells hadn't developed theirs at that time .
I think Lovells Dmax upgrade is to 3500kg GVM , like I said ring Lovells then you will know for sure ,
You wont be able to increase GCM it will remain at manufacture spec .
I know you can do a Lovells GVM upgrade on a already registered vehicle , a mate has just done his HiLux .
Lovells probably have a agent in Mildura that could do the job but doing a upgrade on a WA registered vehicle in VIc , dunno about that , probably best to see if Lovells have a agent in WA .
With a 2800kg GVM van and 10% ball weight,your GTM (weight on van wheels) is 2520kg.With a GCM of 5850kg,the MOST your car can weigh is 3330kg including the ball weight,but your 1870kg rear axle is where the problem is going to be.Cheers
Thanks I will give them a call car is nsw reg
Just to chuck a 6mm spanner into the mix. I thought I read somewhere and it might have even been a link on the forum somewhere that the 'powers to be' were going to stop "Upgrades" being done
Could be worth checking up on travelyounger
Yes mate that's the best , that's the only way you will get accurate information , you can get a GVM upgrade greater than the manufactures axel rating on some vehicles and I think the Dmax is one of them
from what you have said about the weights above , I think even with a upgrade you will have to look at lightening the load if you want to be legal .
Here ya go , I didn't read the full details but it looks like Lovells can increase the Dmax GVM to 3600kg
https://www.lovellsauto.com.au/product12j.php
Travelyounger,
Please put some thought into what you are proposing.
You might be advised to spend your money on a more suitable tug.
Thanks for that information that is what I am after cheers
Only on new vechicles Dougwe.
It was the GCM upgrades that were the issues and were being looked at and I'm not sure how that's going , last time I talked to the local spring joint ( a few months ago ) it was still a grey area .
GVM upgrades are still ok on new and already registered vehicles
Hi I called lovells today 3600 upgrade in most states WA only new vehicles under federal law same with nsw and Victoria. Nsw and Victoria can do vehicles already registered under state laws and only are certified in the state that the car is reg in .the vehicle is legal in all states as it has been certified By there state engineer and if the vehicle is sold out of the state it was certified in will have to be inspected by that states engineer to comply with that states Upgrade specification .THe cost is approx 5000 to 60000 this includes the new suspension labour engineer certificate and New gvm on registration .Some vehicles like 200 cruisers can have there towing up to 4 ton and there overall gvm increased just depends on make and model cheers.
Hi all, some info
The current Federal Motor Vehicle Standards Act 1989 and Regulations (Regs) have been reviewed and a new Act - quote:
The Road Vehicle Standards Act 2018 (RVSA) will replace the Motor Vehicle Standards Act 1989 (MVSA) and deliver an updated and modernised system to regulate the first provision of road vehicles to the Australian market. - unquote.
A quick read indicates that the Act will take effect in parts between Dec18 and Dec19 and transition arrangements will be in place. I would guess that by Dec19 the Regs for the Act will be finalized.
Until then unless stated otherwise IMHO the status quo remains ie the 1989 Act & Regs are in force..
I use to work with the 1989 Act and Regs and whilst standardizing a lot of things there were exemptions for States/territories to maintain some of their own legislation - ie a compromise OR to allow transition period(s) before exchanging things ie rules for Modified Vehicles, 2nd Stage Compliance procedures and plates.
So until some one who has the time to read (takes hours and hours) AND understand it would pay to contact local Motor Vehicle authorities to ensure anything you want can be done at THIS TIME AND REMAIN VALID plus is it recognized in other states if you move.
Generally speaking vehicles registered in one state/territory can be driven Australia wide.
Just my opinion as I haven't got the time to follow through.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2018A00163 New Act
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2016C00857 Old Act 1989
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2016C00857 1989 Regulations
NOTE; THE FED GOVT WEBSITE SAYS ALL ARE CURRENT AS AT TODAY
Happy reading folks.