I submit that this sub forum is now dead due to intervention and antagonism between two regular posters, and because of this should now be reformatted with very close supervision from the moderators to ensure future enquiries do not get swamped by EGO.
Alan
Tony Bev said
08:24 PM Dec 24, 2018
I actually found some of the arguments very interesting, up to my own mental capacity/electrical knowledge
When they went above my head, I just stopped reading that particular topic, not the complete sub forum
If I have a future solar problem, I shall certainly be asking on this sub forum, as I have recieved good advice in the past, and all things being equal, good advice in the future
Aus-Kiwi said
10:26 AM Dec 25, 2018
Not much moderation here . I moderate on a Ford forum and we delete or change heaps of posts . Often I just delete the personal BS , dont delete the whole post or thread . So reading by others is way Good reading .
Ron-D said
08:14 AM Dec 26, 2018
Do we really want to much moderation ,that would be boring,some people go overboard on subjects there passinable about so what its entertaining,its good to let things flow sometimes to A certain point I think the balance is moderated well here...
Jaahn said
03:43 PM Dec 26, 2018
Aus-Kiwi wrote:
Not much moderation here . I moderate on a Ford forum and we delete or change heaps of posts . Often I just delete the personal BS , dont delete the whole post or thread . So reading by others is way Good reading .
Hi
Did my previous reply get moderated away ??
Not enough moderation IMHO either. Posts should be kept short and not replies by the same persons over and over again full of tech BS to fight another doing the same. The persons who do this should moderate themselves but obviously have no self control ! So cut their posts to allow the answers to the original poster to be available to read easily.
Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Wednesday 26th of December 2018 03:46:09 PM
Ron-D said
08:51 AM Dec 27, 2018
Jaahn wrote:
Aus-Kiwi wrote:
Not much moderation here . I moderate on a Ford forum and we delete or change heaps of posts . Often I just delete the personal BS , dont delete the whole post or thread . So reading by others is way Good reading .
Hi
Did my previous reply get moderated away ??
Not enough moderation IMHO either. Posts should be kept short and not replies by the same persons over and over again full of tech BS to fight another doing the same. The persons who do this should moderate themselves but obviously have no self control ! So cut their posts to allow the answers to the original poster to be available to read easily.
Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Wednesday 26th of December 2018 03:46:09 PM
Agreed you certainly have a point in that one area,my comments concerned the forum generally..
Warren-Pat_01 said
03:16 PM Dec 27, 2018
I'm afraid but I just switch off when the arguments get too one sided - a bit like Tony-Bev.
Those with the egos should put their two bobs' worth in & then just pipe down. Two lots of fights from one-two people is enough as it does make getting the factual answers a bit difficult.
Alan, if I had a query on Solar, I'd look in the "Solar" section first.
Perhaps Cindy could let us know how much bandwidth she has & where the forum is as far as being full. After all there is an enormous amount of information stored here (just do a Search from day dot).
Brenda and Alan said
10:38 PM Dec 27, 2018
My post was simply because I enjoy good discussion about solar and battery problems ,but most posts now seem to be quickly hijacked by egomania with very little information that is in fact relevant to an OP's question. This seems to have prevented people with problems posting here recently which is shame.
rockylizard said
08:25 AM Dec 28, 2018
Gday...
Unfortunately, from my point of view, you are quite right Alan.
I would never consider asking a 'solar' question on this forum for all the reasons you suggest.
One asks for the time and one gets a complete set of instructions on how to build a clock - with detailed illustrations and technical drawings.
Often those full set of instructions are in conflict with the full set of instructions provided from other forum sources.
However, I do browse the sub-forum regularly, just in case some poor unsuspecting soul has wandered into it and asked a simple question.
Sometimes, rarely I admit, but sometimes I am able to offer some advice from my experience with my panels.
Cheers - but the contest of who has the biggest genitals can border on entertaining at times - John
T1 Terry said
04:01 PM Dec 28, 2018
I think there might be a few suffering with trodden toes who enjoyed being the "expert to go to about everything" but suffer with a lack of actual knowledge to argue fact with fact on a technological level, so rather argue at the "posts are too technical" level .
Simply "because I say so, therefore it should accepted as fact" died when our kids decided we actually didn't know everything, much like when we learnt the same thing when we grow up. Without technical back up to verify the theories so others can verify the findings or put forward weaknesses they see in the theory helps sort fact from fiction, something that has always been a problem on most forums.
Reducing the whole thread to personal attacks or trying to twist it to a different subject where they feel they are stronger and think they can win an argument that way is what wrecks these threads because the knowledge about the original topic stops flowing
Happy New yrs to all
T1 Terry
Izabarack said
11:31 AM Dec 29, 2018
A little lesson I learnt, fishing, years ago. When the vermin fish like Butter Bream or catfish or school sharks turn up, time to move on. Vermin fish won't go away while you keep feeding them so wasted effort putting up with them or waiting for them to go away.
Iza
T1 Terry said
01:30 PM Dec 29, 2018
Izabarack wrote:
A little lesson I learnt, fishing, years ago. When the vermin fish like Butter Bream or catfish or school sharks turn up, time to move on. Vermin fish won't go away while you keep feeding them so wasted effort putting up with them or waiting for them to go away.
Iza
Hi Iza, not quite sure who that was aimed at, but good advice all the same I remember reading an article referred to by a member of a bygone forum that was once a great source of information, the original CMCA forum and the link was placed by Cuppa. The article was titled "Swimming with sharks" and it was amazing just how relevant it was to posting on a forum or many other areas where interacting with social groups occurs. An interesting read and worth the effort
T1 Terry
rockylizard said
02:15 PM Dec 29, 2018
Gday...
Might this be the article, Terry?
Even if not, it certainly gives some assistance on how to survive life on an active forum.
............ not quite sure who that was aimed at, but good advice all the same
Pretty easy to work out when a post reveals a personal agenda and does not attend to the original question or comment.
Iza
Baz421 said
03:34 PM Dec 29, 2018
Brenda and Alan wrote:
My post was simply because I enjoy good discussion about solar and battery problems ,but most posts now seem to be quickly hijacked by egomania with very little information that is in fact relevant to an OP's question. This seems to have prevented people with problems posting here recently which is shame.
Agree Alan,,, the EGO's overtake the OP question(s) quite often,,, this ruined the ExploreOz website years ago IMHO.
Dickodownunder said
11:32 PM Dec 29, 2018
I am in total agreement with never asking a question on solar and electrical on this forum.
My observations over the last four years are that there are a couple of contributors that actually have reasonable, credible and valuable knowledge and they speak from current experience because they are applying this knowledge every day in their line of work.
Then unfortunately, we suffer the interjections of some others who disect the theory of the subject with off topic rants that achieve the distraction that these contributors so desire so as to APPEAR to prove that their knowledge is far superior to the members who are providing an accurate and concise answer to the ops question.
Anyone only has to read back through topics objectively to identify the culprits.
Well most of us would hope it ended there but it doesnt or at the very least, it hasnt, in posts gone by.
We (us collectively ) on here then get the odd long term member who needs to prop up his standing on the forum by blindly forging ahead with his support for the recalcitrant poster or posters just to ensure that he may get support in return should it be required in another situation of debate. ( Those know who they are )
Most of the time there is no adjudication so the topic then turns to undecipherable rubbish.
Sides are taken and there in lay the problem.
Once again, some poor unsuspecting soul posts a question or a statement and his topic is dragged into the abyss.
Might I suggest that we, collectively do not have to tolerate this rudeness and if another member is predictably going to drag the topic from where it started to accomodate their own malicious agenda then we all should SUPPORT THE QUESTION OFFERED BY THE ORIGINAL POSTER and maintain the on topic agenda. We collectively do not need to contribute to a post that is not ON TOPIC FOR THE QUESTION. By contributing to anything off topic then we become the problem...
In my observation, long term members should remain open flexible and approachable in their views in a topic as we all should know how circumstances situations and services change very rapidly in our modern world. The last two years of Telco posts are a good example.
These long term members should welcome enquiries from newbies.
Not by asking them to check out this and that sections and suggesting that they enjoy RV life but ensure that their original query is at least responded to in a polite and reasonable manner.
If we all adopt this response then maybe just a few more newbies may just hang around the Grey Nomads Forum to actually contribute and make it a better place.
T1 Terry said
11:43 AM Dec 30, 2018
rockylizard wrote:
Gday...
Might this be the article, Terry?
Even if not, it certainly gives some assistance on how to survive life on an active forum.
A very good interpretation and use of sections from the original "How to swim with sharks" but it might be a tad aggressive for forum use.
I think Dickodownunder my be suggesting the better approach, ignore the sharks by keeping in mind you are still inside a shark proof cage, they can't actually reach out of computer screen to physically attack you. Maybe just ignoring them and not even recognising they are there will result in the sharks looking for some where else to feed.
T1 Terry
rockylizard said
11:56 AM Dec 30, 2018
T1 Terry wrote:
SNIP~~~ Maybe just ignoring them and not even recognising they are there will result in the sharks looking for some where else to feed.
T1 Terry
Gday...
I've tried that over the years, but those goddamned sharks seem to just persist.
Cindy has got rid of some of them ... but their cousins seem to raise their heads regularly.
Cheers - John
Baz421 said
11:55 AM Jan 1, 2019
rockylizard wrote:
T1 Terry wrote:
SNIP~~~ Maybe just ignoring them and not even recognising they are there will result in the sharks looking for some where else to feed.
T1 Terry
Gday...
I've tried that over the years, but those goddamned sharks seem to just persist.
Cindy has got rid of some of them ... but their cousins seem to raise their heads regularly.
Cheers - John
Too true John,,,, I often wonder why,,, or what they are like in real life OR BETTER STILL face to face conversation,,,,,,
fwdoz said
07:33 PM Jan 1, 2019
rockylizard wrote:Cindy has got rid of some of them ... but their cousins seem to raise their heads regularly.
Sounds like a scene from Deliverance. Come to think of it, some of them seem to fit that category!
T1 Terry said
11:49 AM Jan 2, 2019
fwdoz wrote:
rockylizard wrote:Cindy has got rid of some of them ... but their cousins seem to raise their heads regularly.
Sounds like a scene from Deliverance. Come to think of it, some of them seem to fit that category!
Such brilliance so early in the yr :lol: You have set a high bar from the rest of the yr that's for sure
T1 Terry
RoamerAllWaze said
06:50 PM Jan 5, 2019
I am a newbie if you call someone 65 years of age with a small van and a single LiFePO4 battery installed.
But the nonsense between a few has undoubtedly tainted the sub-forum.
Who is game enough to moderate because EGOs wont subside any other way..
swamp said
09:03 PM Jan 11, 2019
HI
The forum has been screwed by peoples egos . U could not possibly work with these people as there priority is themselves and not to genuinely assist others . There poor attitude is like a flashing beacon .
Solar for vanning/ camping is not complicated . Explained simply almost all new to solar people understand .
Then present with options .
Ron-D said
09:12 AM Jan 12, 2019
The real shark here is the one that is promoting his own business.
The Travelling Dillberries said
09:16 AM Jan 12, 2019
Ron-D wrote:
The real shark here is the one that is promoting his own business.
Try opening your other eye Ron.....maybe you will learn something.
Time to end this crap you are all going on about.
Ron-D said
09:20 AM Jan 12, 2019
My eyes are open Dillberry if you cant see the the obvious its your problem..
Ron-D said
11:45 AM Jan 12, 2019
If Your in business and you make it hnow to the forum what your business is ,and then dominate a section of a forum with your so called expert hnowledge ,and you dont pay for the advertising, that the forum needs to survive ,to me thats not fair on those that are supporting the forum by paying for there adds ...
-- Edited by Ron-D on Saturday 12th of January 2019 03:33:50 PM
T1 Terry said
12:44 PM Jan 12, 2019
Ron-D wrote:
The real shark here is the one that is promoting his own business.
If you are taking a backhanded slap at me Ron, just where have I promoted my wife's business on this forum? A link to the post where my wife's business name is put forward by me will do.
Iif not, is this just another tact taken by someone who has their knickers in a knot because their "wisdom" is being accepted as the be all and end all of knowledge being made available for free to fellow forum members.
The more of these attacks that are made, the more the attacker standout in a way they may not have intended
T1 Terry
Ron-D said
03:25 PM Jan 12, 2019
We have both had our says Terry your wifes business is your business as well obviously,my business when I had it was my wifes as well,no backhand slap Terry just stating the obviouse,no one in there right mind would think my knowledge was better than anyone elses ,as far as solar thats what you do Terry or shall I say your wife does according to you,your knowledge there would be better then most here,just let others have a say regarding solar without coming over the top ,these things can be described without monstrous pages of text surely I think it puts others off contributing look at happened with your old Mate you wore him down ,Terry you have established you are in business or your wife is,on the forum anyone that wants your wifes work just simply has to p,m you,if you have a good enough following here theres work in it for your business obviousely...
-- Edited by Ron-D on Saturday 12th of January 2019 03:46:51 PM
I submit that this sub forum is now dead due to intervention and antagonism between two regular posters, and because of this should now be reformatted with very close supervision from the moderators to ensure future enquiries do not get swamped by EGO.
Alan
When they went above my head, I just stopped reading that particular topic, not the complete sub forum
If I have a future solar problem, I shall certainly be asking on this sub forum, as I have recieved good advice in the past, and all things being equal, good advice in the future
Do we really want to much moderation ,that would be boring,some people go overboard on subjects there passinable about so what its entertaining,its good to let things flow sometimes to A certain point I think the balance is moderated well here...
Hi
Did my previous reply get moderated away ??
Not enough moderation IMHO either. Posts should be kept short and not replies by the same persons over and over again full of tech BS to fight another doing the same. The persons who do this should moderate themselves but obviously have no self control !
So cut their posts 
to allow the answers to the original poster to be available to read easily.
Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Wednesday 26th of December 2018 03:46:09 PM
Agreed you certainly have a point in that one area,my comments concerned the forum generally..
Those with the egos should put their two bobs' worth in & then just pipe down. Two lots of fights from one-two people is enough as it does make getting the factual answers a bit difficult.
Alan, if I had a query on Solar, I'd look in the "Solar" section first.
Perhaps Cindy could let us know how much bandwidth she has & where the forum is as far as being full. After all there is an enormous amount of information stored here (just do a Search from day dot).
My post was simply because I enjoy good discussion about solar and battery problems ,but most posts now seem to be quickly hijacked by egomania with very little information that is in fact relevant to an OP's question. This seems to have prevented people with problems posting here recently which is shame.
Gday...
Unfortunately, from my point of view, you are quite right Alan.
I would never consider asking a 'solar' question on this forum for all the reasons you suggest.
One asks for the time and one gets a complete set of instructions on how to build a clock - with detailed illustrations and technical drawings.
Often those full set of instructions are in conflict with the full set of instructions provided from other forum sources.
However, I do browse the sub-forum regularly, just in case some poor unsuspecting soul has wandered into it and asked a simple question.
Sometimes, rarely I admit, but sometimes I am able to offer some advice from my experience with my panels.
Cheers - but the contest of who has the biggest genitals can border on entertaining at times - John
I think there might be a few suffering with trodden toes who enjoyed being the "expert to go to about everything" but suffer with a lack of actual knowledge to argue fact with fact on a technological level, so rather argue at the "posts are too technical" level
.
Simply "because I say so, therefore it should accepted as fact" died when our kids decided we actually didn't know everything, much like when we learnt the same thing when we grow up. Without technical back up to verify the theories so others can verify the findings or put forward weaknesses they see in the theory helps sort fact from fiction, something that has always been a problem on most forums.
Reducing the whole thread to personal attacks or trying to twist it to a different subject where they feel they are stronger and think they can win an argument that way is what wrecks these threads because the knowledge about the original topic stops flowing
Happy New yrs to all
T1 Terry
Iza
Hi Iza, not quite sure who that was aimed at, but good advice all the same
I remember reading an article referred to by a member of a bygone forum that was once a great source of information, the original CMCA forum and the link was placed by Cuppa. The article was titled "Swimming with sharks" and it was amazing just how relevant it was to posting on a forum or many other areas where interacting with social groups occurs. An interesting read and worth the effort
T1 Terry
Gday...
Might this be the article, Terry?
Even if not, it certainly gives some assistance on how to survive life on an active forum.
https://www.lechnyr.com/assertiveness/how-to-swim-with-the-sharks/
cheers - John
Pretty easy to work out when a post reveals a personal agenda and does not attend to the original question or comment.
Iza
Agree Alan,,, the EGO's overtake the OP question(s) quite often,,, this ruined the ExploreOz website years ago IMHO.
My observations over the last four years are that there are a couple of contributors that actually have reasonable, credible and valuable knowledge and they speak from current experience because they are applying this knowledge every day in their line of work.
Then unfortunately, we suffer the interjections of some others who disect the theory of the subject with off topic rants that achieve the distraction that these contributors so desire so as to APPEAR to prove that their knowledge is far superior to the members who are providing an accurate and concise answer to the ops question.
Anyone only has to read back through topics objectively to identify the culprits.
Well most of us would hope it ended there but it doesnt or at the very least, it hasnt, in posts gone by.
We (us collectively ) on here then get the odd long term member who needs to prop up his standing on the forum by blindly forging ahead with his support for the recalcitrant poster or posters just to ensure that he may get support in return should it be required in another situation of debate. ( Those know who they are )
Most of the time there is no adjudication so the topic then turns to undecipherable rubbish.
Sides are taken and there in lay the problem.
Once again, some poor unsuspecting soul posts a question or a statement and his topic is dragged into the abyss.
Might I suggest that we, collectively do not have to tolerate this rudeness and if another member is predictably going to drag the topic from where it started to accomodate their own malicious agenda then we all should SUPPORT THE QUESTION OFFERED BY THE ORIGINAL POSTER and maintain the on topic agenda. We collectively do not need to contribute to a post that is not ON TOPIC FOR THE QUESTION. By contributing to anything off topic then we become the problem...
In my observation, long term members should remain open flexible and approachable in their views in a topic as we all should know how circumstances situations and services change very rapidly in our modern world. The last two years of Telco posts are a good example.
These long term members should welcome enquiries from newbies.
Not by asking them to check out this and that sections and suggesting that they enjoy RV life but ensure that their original query is at least responded to in a polite and reasonable manner.
If we all adopt this response then maybe just a few more newbies may just hang around the Grey Nomads Forum to actually contribute and make it a better place.
A very good interpretation and use of sections from the original "How to swim with sharks" but it might be a tad aggressive for forum use.
I think Dickodownunder my be suggesting the better approach, ignore the sharks by keeping in mind you are still inside a shark proof cage, they can't actually reach out of computer screen to physically attack you. Maybe just ignoring them and not even recognising they are there will result in the sharks looking for some where else to feed.
T1 Terry
Gday...
I've tried that over the years, but those goddamned sharks seem to just persist.
Cindy has got rid of some of them ... but their cousins seem to raise their heads regularly.
Cheers - John
Too true John,,,, I often wonder why,,, or what they are like in real life OR BETTER STILL face to face conversation,,,,,,
Sounds like a scene from Deliverance. Come to think of it, some of them seem to fit that category!
Such brilliance so early in the yr :lol: You have set a high bar from the rest of the yr that's for sure
T1 Terry
But the nonsense between a few has undoubtedly tainted the sub-forum.
Who is game enough to moderate because EGOs wont subside any other way..
The forum has been screwed by peoples egos . U could not possibly work with these people as there priority is themselves and not to genuinely assist others . There poor attitude is like a flashing beacon .
Solar for vanning/ camping is not complicated . Explained simply almost all new to solar people understand .
Then present with options .
The real shark here is the one that is promoting his own business.
Try opening your other eye Ron.....maybe you will learn something.
Time to end this crap you are all going on about.
My eyes are open Dillberry if you cant see the the obvious its your problem..
If Your in business and you make it hnow to the forum what your business is ,and then dominate a section of a forum with your so called expert hnowledge ,and you dont pay for the advertising, that the forum needs to survive ,to me thats not fair on those that are supporting the forum by paying for there adds ...
-- Edited by Ron-D on Saturday 12th of January 2019 03:33:50 PM
If you are taking a backhanded slap at me Ron, just where have I promoted my wife's business on this forum? A link to the post where my wife's business name is put forward by me will do.
Iif not, is this just another tact taken by someone who has their knickers in a knot because their "wisdom" is being accepted as the be all and end all of knowledge being made available for free to fellow forum members.
The more of these attacks that are made, the more the attacker standout in a way they may not have intended
T1 Terry
We have both had our says Terry your wifes business is your business as well obviously,my business when I had it was my wifes as well,no backhand slap Terry just stating the obviouse,no one in there right mind would think my knowledge was better than anyone elses ,as far as solar thats what you do Terry or shall I say your wife does according to you,your knowledge there would be better then most here,just let others have a say regarding solar without coming over the top ,these things can be described without monstrous pages of text surely I think it puts others off contributing look at happened with your old Mate you wore him down ,Terry you have established you are in business or your wife is,on the forum anyone that wants your wifes work just simply has to p,m you,if you have a good enough following here theres work in it for your business obviousely...
-- Edited by Ron-D on Saturday 12th of January 2019 03:46:51 PM
Gday...
Cheers - John