A while ago I saw, and reported a sign, in Rockingham Western Australia, put up by the police which said, report any suspicious activities, etc, or words to that effect. If I remember correctly, some people thought that I was implying that their town was full of thieves, etc
To balance everything up, today I was in the industrial area of Bunbury Western Australia, (no houses in that area, which I know of), and low and behold, the same type of sign was there. It is mobile sign on a trailer with flashing lights.
I therefore ask the question, is crime getting worse, or are the police just trying to keep ahead of the criminals with the flashing mobile signs, on a trailer
Santa said
06:26 PM Dec 22, 2018
Sadly its inevitable, as the population grows so will the proportion of criminal activity.
LLD said
09:24 PM Dec 22, 2018
Proportion of crime is reported as # per 100,000 population. Its the # that you have to watch and that is supposedly going down.
-- Edited by LLD on Saturday 22nd of December 2018 09:26:17 PM
Desert Dweller said
05:35 AM Dec 23, 2018
Our town must be crime free 'cause there's a flashing sign on a trailer in the main street.
It says MAIN ST CLOSED TO TRAFFIC ON 24TH DEC. FOR CHRISTMAS PARADE.
The Belmont Bear said
06:47 AM Dec 23, 2018
Silly question but are these signs referring to suspicious activity related to crime or are they referring more to potential acts of terror especially considering the time of year. One of our local radio stations this week was reporting that the crime figures in all catergories went down last year with the exception of shop lifting.
Cheers
BB
Yuglamron said
09:26 AM Dec 23, 2018
Crime figures are exactly the same as the Unemployment figures. They have changed the criteria that's all. Bunch a lot of crimes together so the figures drop.
The way that crimes are reported has changed the same way. It's all Spin.
The way they spin the figures is what has changed.
Take an average 50 man unit in a jail.
The Govt figures show 10% of those inmates are in for drug offences.
In reality some 80% are drug related crimes.
From breaking into a house to steal, to vehicle offences, Violence including sexual assaults. All related to Drugs despite what Goverments tell us.
Tony Bev said
09:46 AM Dec 23, 2018
Desert Dweller wrote:
Our town must be crime free 'cause there's a flashing sign on a trailer in the main street.
It says MAIN ST CLOSED TO TRAFFIC ON 24TH DEC. FOR CHRISTMAS PARADE.
It could be signs owned by different departments, Desert Dweller
I did read a report once Unconfirmed of course
That different departments, actually have inter department agreements
The police man/woman do not repair the roads, and the council employees, do not do the high speed pursuits
Tony Bev said
09:51 AM Dec 23, 2018
The Belmont Bear wrote:
Silly question but are these signs referring to suspicious activity related to crime or are they referring more to potential acts of terror especially considering the time of year. One of our local radio stations this week was reporting that the crime figures in all catergories went down last year with the exception of shop lifting.
Cheers BB
I do not recall the exact words, BB, but I am sure it was about crime, there was a mention of remembering to lock up, and keep keys safe, etc
I am usually away over the Christmas period, (so not sure what goes on), perhaps thieves target industrial areas, knowing that no one is the premises, at that time
Tony Bev said
09:54 AM Dec 23, 2018
LLD wrote:
Proportion of crime is reported as # per 100,000 population. Its the # that you have to watch and that is supposedly going down.
-- Edited by LLD on Saturday 22nd of December 2018 09:26:17 PM
That makes sense to me LLD, even when crime goes down as a percentage of so many 100,000 of the population, there are more population numbers, therefore crime has increased
Tony Bev said
10:00 AM Dec 23, 2018
Santa wrote:
Sadly its inevitable, as the population grows so will the proportion of criminal activity.
That was my initial gut feeling, Santa
I suppose that I am lucky
My suburb has the highest reported crime, in my town, but my area is crime free
We do have an unofficial neighourhood watch, in respect that we keep our eyes open, and collect mail etc, when a neighbour is away
Tony Bev said
10:09 AM Dec 23, 2018
Yuglamron wrote:
Crime figures are exactly the same as the Unemployment figures. They have changed the criteria that's all. Bunch a lot of crimes together so the figures drop.
The way that crimes are reported has changed the same way. It's all Spin.
The way they spin the figures is what has changed.
Take an average 50 man unit in a jail.
The Govt figures show 10% of those inmates are in for drug offences.
In reality some 80% are drug related crimes.
From breaking into a house to steal, to vehicle offences, Violence including sexual assaults. All related to Drugs despite what Goverments tell us.
You may have hit the nail on the head, Yuglamron
I have just looked up the crime figures for my town
Everything is down, but the drug crime is up, perhaps they are placing robberies, and burglaries, committed by people anxious to get money for drugs, as a drug related crime
Santa said
10:30 AM Dec 23, 2018
Tony Bev wrote:
Santa wrote:
Sadly its inevitable, as the population grows so will the proportion of criminal activity.
That was my initial gut feeling, Santa
I suppose that I am lucky
My suburb has the highest reported crime, in my town, but my area is crime free
We do have an unofficial neighourhood watch, in respect that we keep our eyes open, and collect mail etc, when a neighbour is away
Morning Tony,
We're fortunate in that we live outside of town in a semi rural setting that has a relatively low crime rate, doesn't make us immune, however life in the area is pretty relaxed.
Tony Bev said
11:16 AM Dec 23, 2018
Santa wrote:
Tony Bev wrote:
Santa wrote:
Sadly its inevitable, as the population grows so will the proportion of criminal activity.
That was my initial gut feeling, Santa
I suppose that I am lucky
My suburb has the highest reported crime, in my town, but my area is crime free
We do have an unofficial neighourhood watch, in respect that we keep our eyes open, and collect mail etc, when a neighbour is away
Morning Tony,
We're fortunate in that we live outside of town in a semi rural setting that has a relatively low crime rate, doesn't make us immune, however life in the area is pretty relaxed.
And a good morning to yourself, Santa
I know the feeling of living in a crime free area
For whatever reason, all the places I have lived in, have been crime free in my immediate local area
I grew up in an English Village, until I was a teenager, where the local policeman would accidentally kick you up the backside, while escorting you home, to your father
The first 11 years of my marriage life was spent in a small West Australian town of less than 100 houses, which was off the beaten track, so no passing traffic
The area of Kalgoorlie, where I lived was crime free
The local area of my home town Bunbury, (lived here about 23 years), is also crime free
The Belmont Bear said
11:23 AM Dec 23, 2018
Yeah Tony I was just wondering because the action you quoted on the sign is pretty much what the authorities tell us we need to do after every random act of terrorism. As far as the crime statistics are concerned i have no idea whether they are playing with the numbers or not. What I do know is that when we were kids we could go out without bothering to lock the doors nowadays I would be reluctant to leave the doors unlocked even when we are in the house....
Just a warning a friend of ours went xmas shopping the other day at a very large and well populated local mall, she took a load of things out and put them into her car when she realised that she had forgotten something. When she returned the second time some feral had broken into the car and stolen all of her shopping. Xmas is a time that petty crime skyrockets in large shopping malls because the offenders are opportunists who know that they only have to watch and wait for someon to drop their guard..
Cheers BB
-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Sunday 23rd of December 2018 11:24:44 AM
Tony Bev said
11:36 AM Dec 23, 2018
The Belmont Bear wrote:
Yeah Tony I was just wondering because the action you quoted on the sign is pretty much what the authorities tell us we need to do after every random act of terrorism. As far as the crime statistics are concerned i have no idea whether they are playing with the numbers or not. What I do know is that when we were kids we could go out without bothering to lock the doors nowadays I would be reluctant to leave the doors unlocked even when we are in the house....
Just a warning a friend of ours went xmas shopping the other day at a very large and well populated local mall, she took a load of things out and put them into her car when she realised that she had forgotten something. When she returned the second time some feral had broken into the car and stolen all of her shopping. Xmas is a time that petty crime skyrockets in large shopping malls because the offenders are opportunists who know that they only have to watch and wait for someon to drop their guard..
Cheers BB
-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Sunday 23rd of December 2018 11:24:44 AM
I must be one of the lucky ones, BB Living in a good area
I am packing the motorhome for a trip, to see the wise men of the East
Twice this week I have left the motorhome unlocked overnight, and once we went out shopping, while leaving the keys in the motorhome main entry door
Sorry to hear about your friend, loosing her shopping
The Belmont Bear said
09:08 PM Dec 23, 2018
You are lucky Tony to live in a quiet area I hope that it stays that way for you. Im pretty sure our friend wasnt the first to have things stolen from her car in that particular mall Ive heard a few stories about car breaks ins reguarly happening there even with all the security that they have in place. Anyhow enjoy your trip east xmas is not really a time that Id choose to be on the road but plenty of people do.
Stay safe
BB
Recoup said
03:43 PM Dec 24, 2018
Is crime getting worse ? Yes ! Remember years ago when you could leave your car doors unlocked ? Windows down , at home ,front door was never locked , we had respeckt for the police , ( today they are called cops on the lying Media),cheers
-- Edited by Recoup on Monday 24th of December 2018 03:44:52 PM
LLD said
06:04 PM Dec 25, 2018
Recoup wrote:
Is crime getting worse ? Yes ! Remember years ago when you could leave your car doors unlocked ? Windows down , at home ,front door was never locked , we had respeckt for the police , ( today they are called cops on the lying Media),cheers
-- Edited by Recoup on Monday 24th of December 2018 03:44:52 PM
Agree. We never locked up either. All cars were manual and 14 year-olds couldn't drive them. Our house never had anything worth stealing. A piano, fridge and TV were way too heavy to nick. We had a built in copper in the laundry. Hub caps, the wood pile and garden gnomes were knocked off but there was a limited market.
oldbloke said
08:33 AM Dec 26, 2018
Santa wrote:
Sadly its inevitable, as the population grows so will the proportion of criminal activity.
No, the number may rise as population rises but the "proportion", or ratio can still go down.
One of the problems is the talk back radio liars that keep talking it up for their own financial ends. Disgraceful in my view.
I have never felt safer.
Mike Harding said
09:04 AM Dec 26, 2018
I don't think a simple count or comparison of the numbers alone tells the true story.
What has changed over my lifetime is the propensity of criminals to commit violence in the the course of "ordinary" crimes. Most often this violence is either not reported in the media or receives insignificant coverage because it's so common and therefore not news worthy. However being hit in the face and then kicked in the body and head whilst on the floor in one's own home is the sort of thing which has a life changing psychological impact even if the physical impact is short term.
Recoup said
02:39 PM Dec 26, 2018
Mike Harding wrote: However being hit in the face and then kicked in the body and head whilst on the floor in one's own home is the sort of thing which has a life changing psychological impact even if the physical impact is short term.
I can not remember ever heard that 40 -50 years ago ,cheers
Big Gorilla said
02:47 PM Dec 26, 2018
I hope we never get like USA. At least the general population can't own or have a gun here....Supposedly !! I put the crime statistics down to unemployment and drugs..
Mike Harding said
06:48 PM Dec 26, 2018
Big Gorilla wrote:
I hope we never get like USA. At least the general population can't own or have a gun here....Supposedly !!
"Supposedly" is right. It's only criminals who have firearms in order to protect themselves in their own homes - law abiding people are not permitted to own or use firearms for such a purpose. We just have to put up with being beaten up, knifed or raped.
rockylizard said
11:09 PM Dec 26, 2018
Gday...
It is not just USA that has a high 'crime' rate.
Murder. In 2014, the Philippines has a murder rate of 9.84 per 100,000 people, with a number of 9,784 recorded cases. The country also has the highest rate of murder cases in Southeast Asia in 2013, with a rate of 8.8, followed by Thailand.
There were 487 homicide incidents in Australia between 1 July 2012 and 30 June 2014. The homicide incident rate of 1 per 100,000 in 201314 is the lowest recorded since 198990.
Homicide. According to a 2013 report by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), between 2005 and 2012, the average homicide rate in the U.S. was 4.9 per 100,000 inhabitants compared to the average rate globally, which was 6.2.
Gun ownership in Philippines is at least at the same level, or higher, than USA.
cheers - John
Mike Harding said
07:11 AM Dec 27, 2018
It's a bit more complicated than that John.
Switzerland has the highest per capita rate of firearms ownership on the planet including common possession of semi automatic weapons.
However Switzerland also has one of the lowest murder rates at 0.49/100k well below that of Australia.
Correlation is not causation.
Most murders in the USA are drug/crime related - anyone who has travelled widely in that country will tell you that outside the obvious "bad" areas it is a very safe place to live.
2-Smiths said
02:57 PM Jan 7, 2019
Mike Harding wrote:
It's a bit more complicated than that John.
Switzerland has the highest per capita rate of firearms ownership on the planet including common possession of semi automatic weapons.
However Switzerland also has one of the lowest murder rates at 0.49/100k well below that of Australia.
Correlation is not causation.
Most murders in the USA are drug/crime related - anyone who has travelled widely in that country will tell you that outside the obvious "bad" areas it is a very safe place to live.
It's an interesting one, isn't it?
On the one hand, you hear lots of people "thanking their lucky stars that we aren't like the U.S, as regards legal gun ownership".
On the other, I read somewhere recently that there were more guns in the community now, than there were prior to the gun buy back. (Or it may have been more than at any time since the buy back). Suffice to say, there're plenty of guns around...just not in the hands of law-abiding people.
So...guess who has 'em?
2-Smiths said
02:59 PM Jan 7, 2019
rockylizard wrote:
Gday...
It is not just USA that has a high 'crime' rate.
Murder. In 2014, the Philippines has a murder rate of 9.84 per 100,000 people, with a number of 9,784 recorded cases. The country also has the highest rate of murder cases in Southeast Asia in 2013, with a rate of 8.8, followed by Thailand.
There were 487 homicide incidents in Australia between 1 July 2012 and 30 June 2014. The homicide incident rate of 1 per 100,000 in 201314 is the lowest recorded since 198990.
Homicide. According to a 2013 report by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), between 2005 and 2012, the average homicide rate in the U.S. was 4.9 per 100,000 inhabitants compared to the average rate globally, which was 6.2.
Gun ownership in Philippines is at least at the same level, or higher, than USA.
cheers - John
Regarding the Philippines, the figures you cite would be before the current President was elected. Since he came to power, there have been something like 4500 extra-judicial killings in the country...ironically, as part of a "war on drugs". I wonder what their figures on homicides would be today if these (State-sponsored) killings were included?
Sign of the times for thieves
A while ago I saw, and reported a sign, in Rockingham Western Australia, put up by the police which said, report any suspicious activities, etc, or words to that effect.
If I remember correctly, some people thought that I was implying that their town was full of thieves, etc
To balance everything up, today I was in the industrial area of Bunbury Western Australia, (no houses in that area, which I know of), and low and behold, the same type of sign was there.
It is mobile sign on a trailer with flashing lights.
I therefore ask the question, is crime getting worse, or are the police just trying to keep ahead of the criminals with the flashing mobile signs, on a trailer
Sadly its inevitable, as the population grows so will the proportion of criminal activity.
Proportion of crime is reported as # per 100,000 population. Its the # that you have to watch and that is supposedly going down.
https://www.9news.com.au/2018/12/11/12/14/crime-getting-worse-myth-australia-tough-on-crime-rates-falling
-- Edited by LLD on Saturday 22nd of December 2018 09:26:17 PM
Our town must be crime free 'cause there's a flashing sign on a trailer in the main street.
It says MAIN ST CLOSED TO TRAFFIC ON 24TH DEC. FOR CHRISTMAS PARADE.
Cheers
BB
Crime figures are exactly the same as the Unemployment figures. They have changed the criteria that's all. Bunch a lot of crimes together so the figures drop.
The way that crimes are reported has changed the same way. It's all Spin.
The way they spin the figures is what has changed.
Take an average 50 man unit in a jail.
The Govt figures show 10% of those inmates are in for drug offences.
In reality some 80% are drug related crimes.
From breaking into a house to steal, to vehicle offences, Violence including sexual assaults. All related to Drugs despite what Goverments tell us.
It could be signs owned by different departments, Desert Dweller
I did read a report once
Unconfirmed of course 
That different departments, actually have inter department agreements
The police man/woman do not repair the roads, and the council employees, do not do the high speed pursuits
I do not recall the exact words, BB, but I am sure it was about crime, there was a mention of remembering to lock up, and keep keys safe, etc
I am usually away over the Christmas period, (so not sure what goes on), perhaps thieves target industrial areas, knowing that no one is the premises, at that time
That makes sense to me LLD, even when crime goes down as a percentage of so many 100,000 of the population, there are more population numbers, therefore crime has increased
That was my initial gut feeling, Santa
I suppose that I am lucky
My suburb has the highest reported crime, in my town, but my area is crime free
We do have an unofficial neighourhood watch, in respect that we keep our eyes open, and collect mail etc, when a neighbour is away
You may have hit the nail on the head, Yuglamron
I have just looked up the crime figures for my town
Everything is down, but the drug crime is up, perhaps they are placing robberies, and burglaries, committed by people anxious to get money for drugs, as a drug related crime
Morning Tony,
We're fortunate in that we live outside of town in a semi rural setting that has a relatively low crime rate, doesn't make us immune, however life in the area is pretty relaxed.
And a good morning to yourself, Santa
I know the feeling of living in a crime free area
For whatever reason, all the places I have lived in, have been crime free in my immediate local area
I grew up in an English Village, until I was a teenager, where the local policeman would accidentally kick you up the backside, while escorting you home, to your father
The first 11 years of my marriage life was spent in a small West Australian town of less than 100 houses, which was off the beaten track, so no passing traffic
The area of Kalgoorlie, where I lived was crime free
The local area of my home town Bunbury, (lived here about 23 years), is also crime free
Yeah Tony I was just wondering because the action you quoted on the sign is pretty much what the authorities tell us we need to do after every random act of terrorism. As far as the crime statistics are concerned i have no idea whether they are playing with the numbers or not. What I do know is that when we were kids we could go out without bothering to lock the doors nowadays I would be reluctant to leave the doors unlocked even when we are in the house....
Just a warning a friend of ours went xmas shopping the other day at a very large and well populated local mall, she took a load of things out and put them into her car when she realised that she had forgotten something. When she returned the second time some feral had broken into the car and stolen all of her shopping. Xmas is a time that petty crime skyrockets in large shopping malls because the offenders are opportunists who know that they only have to watch and wait for someon to drop their guard..
Cheers
BB
-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Sunday 23rd of December 2018 11:24:44 AM
I must be one of the lucky ones, BB
Living in a good area
I am packing the motorhome for a trip, to see the wise men of the East
Twice this week I have left the motorhome unlocked overnight, and once we went out shopping, while leaving the keys in the motorhome main entry door
Sorry to hear about your friend, loosing her shopping
You are lucky Tony to live in a quiet area I hope that it stays that way for you. Im pretty sure our friend wasnt the first to have things stolen from her car in that particular mall Ive heard a few stories about car breaks ins reguarly happening there even with all the security that they have in place. Anyhow enjoy your trip east xmas is not really a time that Id choose to be on the road but plenty of people do.
Stay safe
BB
Is crime getting worse ? Yes !
Remember years ago when you could leave your car doors unlocked ? Windows down , at home ,front door was never locked , we had respeckt for the police , ( today they are called cops on the lying Media),cheers
-- Edited by Recoup on Monday 24th of December 2018 03:44:52 PM
Agree. We never locked up either. All cars were manual and 14 year-olds couldn't drive them. Our house never had anything worth stealing. A piano, fridge and TV were way too heavy to nick. We had a built in copper in the laundry. Hub caps, the wood pile and garden gnomes were knocked off but there was a limited market.
No, the number may rise as population rises but the "proportion", or ratio can still go down.
One of the problems is the talk back radio liars that keep talking it up for their own financial ends. Disgraceful in my view.
I have never felt safer.
I don't think a simple count or comparison of the numbers alone tells the true story.
What has changed over my lifetime is the propensity of criminals to commit violence in the the course of "ordinary" crimes. Most often this violence is either not reported in the media or receives insignificant coverage because it's so common and therefore not news worthy. However being hit in the face and then kicked in the body and head whilst on the floor in one's own home is the sort of thing which has a life changing psychological impact even if the physical impact is short term.
I can not remember ever heard that 40 -50 years ago ,cheers
I hope we never get like USA. At least the general population can't own or have a gun here....Supposedly !! I put the crime statistics down to unemployment and drugs..
"Supposedly" is right. It's only criminals who have firearms in order to protect themselves in their own homes - law abiding people are not permitted to own or use firearms for such a purpose. We just have to put up with being beaten up, knifed or raped.
Gday...
It is not just USA that has a high 'crime' rate.
Murder. In 2014, the Philippines has a murder rate of 9.84 per 100,000 people, with a number of 9,784 recorded cases. The country also has the highest rate of murder cases in Southeast Asia in 2013, with a rate of 8.8, followed by Thailand.
There were 487 homicide incidents in Australia between 1 July 2012 and 30 June 2014. The homicide incident rate of 1 per 100,000 in 201314 is the lowest recorded since 198990.
Homicide. According to a 2013 report by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), between 2005 and 2012, the average homicide rate in the U.S. was 4.9 per 100,000 inhabitants compared to the average rate globally, which was 6.2.
Gun ownership in Philippines is at least at the same level, or higher, than USA.
cheers - John
It's a bit more complicated than that John.
Switzerland has the highest per capita rate of firearms ownership on the planet including common possession of semi automatic weapons.
However Switzerland also has one of the lowest murder rates at 0.49/100k well below that of Australia.
Correlation is not causation.
Most murders in the USA are drug/crime related - anyone who has travelled widely in that country will tell you that outside the obvious "bad" areas it is a very safe place to live.
It's an interesting one, isn't it?
On the one hand, you hear lots of people "thanking their lucky stars that we aren't like the U.S, as regards legal gun ownership".
On the other, I read somewhere recently that there were more guns in the community now, than there were prior to the gun buy back. (Or it may have been more than at any time since the buy back). Suffice to say, there're plenty of guns around...just not in the hands of law-abiding people.
So...guess who has 'em?
Regarding the Philippines, the figures you cite would be before the current President was elected. Since he came to power, there have been something like 4500 extra-judicial killings in the country...ironically, as part of a "war on drugs". I wonder what their figures on homicides would be today if these (State-sponsored) killings were included?