Travelling full time on the road, I can't believe the amount of rubbish and human excreta at the rest stops, surely people have some respect for their country, and I do not believe it is the RV'ers doing all this. Some crazy drivers on the road, don't know what the solid white lines mean. Speeding with caravans beggers belief, have seen on van or what's left of it as a result.
I think that loneliness is a problem for me, definitely feel snobbed at some parks, everyone keeping to themselves. Caravan parks should all have a happy hour.
Dougwe said
09:41 AM Dec 16, 2018
Yep, seen all that but for the snob bit Ian. Until now, as we speak.
I am currently in a CVP for a health service and there is a couple opposite me that have been here two days and even though they see me sitting outside facing them they have NOT ONCE said hi. I have to them but ignored. I have never had that experience anywhere. Not sure why people are like that, maybe just snobs as you say.
Blues Man said
10:19 AM Dec 16, 2018
Hey Dougwe they might be a little deef or maybe you might be and not know it.
Lily2018 said
10:24 AM Dec 16, 2018
The amount of rubbish everywhere is shameful although I've noticed lately I'm not picking up so many cans and plastic bottles since the refund business has started.
As for not saying hello, well that's beyond me. Not so much snobs as rude I say. Having a natter to the neighbours is one of the benefits of life, on the road or not. Luckily where I live we all get on well and meet up with each other often although not so much that we're in each others pockets.
rockylizard said
11:30 AM Dec 16, 2018
Gday...
Understand the observations Ian.
However, that rubbish etc has always been there along roads and at rest stops, and in most cities for that matter. Interestingly, I rarely find any such rubbish etc at actual camping grounds - out in the proper bush next to a creek or whatever where people actually camp ... not jest stay at a glorified rest area.
Human population problem ... I think because there are 'sanitary services' - eg paid cleaners etc - people have stopped caring.
Just take a look at any sporting venue after an event ... or an outdoor concert. No-one takes out what they carried in.
I have also encountered the snobs. I walk past, say Gday, they may look up or not, but rarely get more than a nod. On the other hand I have also experienced my fair share of bloody nuisances who lob up and begin chatting, and chatting, and chatting, and chatting .... even though I apply all my "rapport breaking" skills.
Only fair to also say I have met some worthwhile characters that a chat begins and ya suddenly realise ya been gabbing for three hours. Some have even developed in friendships and have met up at various places on our travels.
I think the secret is to jest get on wif ya life and roll with the variety you will experience in people, places and environments.
cheers - stay well and travel safely - John
Desert Dweller said
11:52 AM Dec 16, 2018
Dougwe wrote:
Yep, seen all that but for the snob bit Ian. Until now, as we speak.
I am currently in a CVP for a health service and there is a couple opposite me that have been here two days and even though they see me sitting outside facing them they have NOT ONCE said hi. I have to them but ignored. I have never had that experience anywhere. Not sure why people are like that, maybe just snobs as you say.
Unfortunately we've struck it many times. After a big day out in the bush we sometimes ''look a bit ordinary'' when we arrive back at camp.
Quite a few ''glampers'' see us getting out of our vehicle which can be pretty muddy or dusty & immediately avoid making eye contact.
It takes nothing to wave & say goodaye.
We've sometimes had whole happy hour groups look down their noses at us.
rockylizard said
12:02 PM Dec 16, 2018
Gday...
I avoid happy hours now. Unless I know that the majority of people there do not know, or are not travelling with, each other.
If I want to feel lonely, I would much rather feel lonely by myself.
cheers - John
STRETCH ARMSTRONG said
03:31 PM Dec 16, 2018
I love camping near a river or somewhere remote. I have noticed a large increase in the amount of rubbish at a few of my favorite sites.
In these cases its from motorbike groups.
Beer bottles smashed. Bog roll. Bike 2 stroke oil containers. Bags of rubbish. Its makes me sad to see this.
Desert Dweller said
04:58 PM Dec 16, 2018
rockylizard wrote:
Gday...
I avoid happy hours now. Unless I know that the majority of people there do not know, or are not travelling with, each other.
If I want to feel lonely, I would much rather feel lonely by myself.
cheers - John
We enjoy our own happy, just the two of us, but if invited we enjoy socializing with fellow campers.
Either way we have fun.
We haven't noticed a lot of rubbish around but we find 50-60 fire scars around in popular spots pretty annoying along with ''degraded harvested'' bush surrounds.
On rare occasions we've found the contents (solids) of cassettes emptied at rest areas. We also saw a bloke with a 23ft Bush Tracker (en-suite) dig a shallow hole next to a picnic table & take a dump.
Older folk tend to blame young ones but from what we've seen it's the complete opposite.
blaze said
05:18 PM Dec 16, 2018
Desert Dweller wrote:
rockylizard wrote:
Gday...
I avoid happy hours now. Unless I know that the majority of people there do not know, or are not travelling with, each other.
If I want to feel lonely, I would much rather feel lonely by myself.
cheers - John
We enjoy our own happy, just the two of us, but if invited we enjoy socializing with fellow campers.
Either way we have fun.
We haven't noticed a lot of rubbish around but we find 50-60 fire scars around in popular spots pretty annoying along with ''degraded harvested'' bush surrounds.
On rare occasions we've found the contents (solids) of cassettes emptied at rest areas. We also saw a bloke with a 23ft Bush Tracker (en-suite) dig a shallow hole next to a picnic table & take a dump.
Older folk tend to blame young ones but from what we've seen it's the complete opposite.
I agree with your comments DD, I love my bush camps and find people in them to be of simular mind sets. I also love talking to the back packers in the wizbangs, give me a back packer over a sour faced grumpy old fart anyday
cheers
blaze
ps seen old farts in $100 000 plus van and setup take a drill into the dunny to get some paper towel or dunny roll
Desert Dweller said
07:20 PM Dec 16, 2018
blaze wrote:
I agree with your comments DD, I love my bush camps and find people in them to be of simular mind sets. I also love talking to the back packers in the wizbangs, give me a back packer over a sour faced grumpy old fart anyday
cheers
blaze
ps seen old farts in $100 000 plus van and setup take a drill into the dunny to get some paper towel or dunny roll
We've heard them bragging at happy hour about how many dunny rolls they've stolen from caravan parks. Also filling up their pump soap containers from CP amenities blocks.
Take a bow Australia's retired traveling community.
Thank GOD we spend around 70% of our time out by ourselves in the Aussie bush.
the rocket said
08:26 PM Dec 16, 2018
Have not noticed very much rubbish in our travels.
elliemike said
09:20 PM Dec 16, 2018
I have written this a couple of times about Australia and the Rubbish out in the Bush.
A book I read while on a voyage to Australia in 1968, about an Ornithological Survey in the early 60's carried out by an Oxford university group.
I was interested to read at that time, that when they were in the remote areas with ill defined bush tracks. They were amused to note the tracks were lined with empty Beer bottles and Broken Glass.
So much so they had photographs in the book of a couple of very remote Glass Lined bush roads. Explaining that Navigation along these remote roads was not that hard You just followed the Bottles and glint of Broken Glass.
This Rubbish thing is not new in the bush. And they could not blame "Backpackers them days for it.
Moose2 said
06:56 AM Dec 17, 2018
Dougwe wrote:
Yep, seen all that but for the snob bit Ian. Until now, as we speak.
I am currently in a CVP for a health service and there is a couple opposite me that have been here two days and even though they see me sitting outside facing them they have NOT ONCE said hi. I have to them but ignored. I have never had that experience anywhere. Not sure why people are like that, maybe just snobs as you say.
Hey Doug - probably worried you want to scalp them!
Seriously mate some people are just weird. Forget about them.
the rocket said
09:43 AM Dec 17, 2018
Dougwe wrote:
Yep, seen all that but for the snob bit Ian. Until now, as we speak.
I am currently in a CVP for a health service and there is a couple opposite me that have been here two days and even though they see me sitting outside facing them they have NOT ONCE said hi. I have to them but ignored. I have never had that experience anywhere. Not sure why people are like that, maybe just snobs as you say.
I always say hello but i do occasionally come across this. It used to annoy me but i have toughened up a bit now and think well f@#k you and i ignore them Back. Once chance only with me now.
-- Edited by the rocket on Monday 17th of December 2018 09:44:56 AM
Dougwe said
10:12 AM Dec 17, 2018
Who me scalp 'm, Enzo, not me no way. not even ever. I'm retired now so leave all that stuff to the young braves. Yes, I have no problem with forgetting them or any others.
G'day Rocket and Strop, hope you are both well? I feel the same as you so won't be losing sleep over it and I tell you that for free.
Sorry Ian, I think I am
Moorey said
10:15 AM Dec 17, 2018
If you are wearing that head dress I wouldn't want to talk to you either, just joking. I am at Lowood Showgrounds and it is too wet for happy hour so I wine myself.
iana said
10:16 AM Dec 17, 2018
Our rig is clean of extras on the outside, I think I'll add things to make talking points. I do think our rig is part of the problem, I have had people ask if I've just sold the farm, but our rig would have cost 25,000 less than others present. Another thing is putting everyone in a single row in the park (when not full), then all the caravans face away from each other, like turning your back on the neigbour.
Tony Bev said
12:44 AM Dec 18, 2018
Unfortunately, as far as rubbish goes, we are all tarred with the same brush
I pick up the rubbish in any free camp I am staying in
I find that the use of the picking tools I use, is good exercise for my hands
I am not sure if (overall), the rubbish is decreasing, or if I am getting use to picking it up
I have been pleasantly surprised in a few free camps, and realise that someone was there before me, picking up rubbish
I can not comment on caravan parks, as I very seldom use them
I will say (looking at things from the "snob" angle), about people not talking
Although I am sometimes a talkative chappie, I only talk to those camped near me, and not everyone in the camp
As I walk around the camp, I may only give a wave to some people, this I suppose could be interpreted, as I will not talk to them
RosieW said
05:36 PM Dec 23, 2018
We are like Rocky, avoid the happy hours; he worked security for many years and I worked behind bars/security for almost as long, so we are over social drinkers. And yes, not everyone is painful when they drink, but after 20+ years of forced chat with drinkers, I prefer not to. Also, I don't drink and find people can be a bit put-off by that.
As for snobbery, I always say G'day; I am never INTENTIONALLY rude, although some days I am cold/sore/hot/tired/on a schedule, and then I may abbreviate a chat.
Cloak said
07:10 AM Dec 25, 2018
I like to let people have their space. A nod and short eye contact with a smile gives the open invitation if they want a chat.
Travelling full time on the road, I can't believe the amount of rubbish and human excreta at the rest stops, surely people have some respect for their country, and I do not believe it is the RV'ers doing all this. Some crazy drivers on the road, don't know what the solid white lines mean. Speeding with caravans beggers belief, have seen on van or what's left of it as a result.
I think that loneliness is a problem for me, definitely feel snobbed at some parks, everyone keeping to themselves. Caravan parks should all have a happy hour.
I am currently in a CVP for a health service and there is a couple opposite me that have been here two days and even though they see me sitting outside facing them they have NOT ONCE said hi. I have to them but ignored. I have never had that experience anywhere. Not sure why people are like that, maybe just snobs as you say.
Hey Dougwe they might be a little deef or maybe you might be and not know it.
As for not saying hello, well that's beyond me. Not so much snobs as rude I say. Having a natter to the neighbours is one of the benefits of life, on the road or not. Luckily where I live we all get on well and meet up with each other often although not so much that we're in each others pockets.
Gday...
Understand the observations Ian.
However, that rubbish etc has always been there along roads and at rest stops, and in most cities for that matter. Interestingly, I rarely find any such rubbish etc at actual camping grounds - out in the proper bush next to a creek or whatever where people actually camp ... not jest stay at a glorified rest area.
Human population problem ... I think because there are 'sanitary services' - eg paid cleaners etc - people have stopped caring.
Just take a look at any sporting venue after an event ... or an outdoor concert. No-one takes out what they carried in.
I have also encountered the snobs. I walk past, say Gday, they may look up or not, but rarely get more than a nod. On the other hand I have also experienced my fair share of bloody nuisances who lob up and begin chatting, and chatting, and chatting, and chatting .... even though I apply all my "rapport breaking" skills.
Only fair to also say I have met some worthwhile characters that a chat begins and ya suddenly realise ya been gabbing for three hours.
Some have even developed in friendships and have met up at various places on our travels.
I think the secret is to jest get on wif ya life and roll with the variety you will experience in people, places and environments.
cheers - stay well and travel safely - John
Unfortunately we've struck it many times. After a big day out in the bush we sometimes ''look a bit ordinary'' when we arrive back at camp.
Quite a few ''glampers'' see us getting out of our vehicle which can be pretty muddy or dusty & immediately avoid making eye contact.
It takes nothing to wave & say goodaye.
We've sometimes had whole happy hour groups look down their noses at us.
Gday...
I avoid happy hours now. Unless I know that the majority of people there do not know, or are not travelling with, each other.
If I want to feel lonely, I would much rather feel lonely by myself.
cheers - John
We enjoy our own happy, just the two of us, but if invited we enjoy socializing with fellow campers.
Either way we have fun.
We haven't noticed a lot of rubbish around but we find 50-60 fire scars around in popular spots pretty annoying along with ''degraded harvested'' bush surrounds.
On rare occasions we've found the contents (solids) of cassettes emptied at rest areas. We also saw a bloke with a 23ft Bush Tracker (en-suite) dig a shallow hole next to a picnic table & take a dump.
Older folk tend to blame young ones but from what we've seen it's the complete opposite.
I agree with your comments DD, I love my bush camps and find people in them to be of simular mind sets. I also love talking to the back packers in the wizbangs, give me a back packer over a sour faced grumpy old fart anyday
cheers
blaze
ps seen old farts in $100 000 plus van and setup take a drill into the dunny to get some paper towel or dunny roll
We've heard them bragging at happy hour about how many dunny rolls they've stolen from caravan parks. Also filling up their pump soap containers from CP amenities blocks.
Take a bow Australia's retired traveling community.
Thank GOD we spend around 70% of our time out by ourselves in the Aussie bush.
Have not noticed very much rubbish in our travels.
I have written this a couple of times about Australia and the Rubbish out in the Bush.
A book I read while on a voyage to Australia in 1968, about an Ornithological Survey in the early 60's carried out by an Oxford university group.
I was interested to read at that time, that when they were in the remote areas with ill defined bush tracks. They were amused to note the tracks were lined with empty Beer bottles and Broken Glass.
So much so they had photographs in the book of a couple of very remote Glass Lined bush roads. Explaining that Navigation along these remote roads was not that hard You just followed the Bottles and glint of Broken Glass.
This Rubbish thing is not new in the bush. And they could not blame "Backpackers them days for it.
Hey Doug - probably worried you want to scalp them!
Seriously mate some people are just weird. Forget about them.
I always say hello but i do occasionally come across this. It used to annoy me but i have toughened up a bit now and think well f@#k you and i ignore them Back. Once chance only with me now.
-- Edited by the rocket on Monday 17th of December 2018 09:44:56 AM
Who me scalp 'm, Enzo, not me no way. not even ever. I'm retired now so leave all that stuff to the young braves. Yes, I have no problem with forgetting them or any others.
G'day Rocket and Strop, hope you are both well? I feel the same as you so won't be losing sleep over it and I tell you that for free.
Sorry Ian, I think I am
If you are wearing that head dress I wouldn't want to talk to you either, just joking. I am at Lowood Showgrounds and it is too wet for happy hour so I wine myself.
I pick up the rubbish in any free camp I am staying in
I find that the use of the picking tools I use, is good exercise for my hands
I am not sure if (overall), the rubbish is decreasing, or if I am getting use to picking it up
I have been pleasantly surprised in a few free camps, and realise that someone was there before me, picking up rubbish
I can not comment on caravan parks, as I very seldom use them
I will say (looking at things from the "snob" angle), about people not talking
Although I am sometimes a talkative chappie, I only talk to those camped near me, and not everyone in the camp
As I walk around the camp, I may only give a wave to some people, this I suppose could be interpreted, as I will not talk to them
As for snobbery, I always say G'day; I am never INTENTIONALLY rude, although some days I am cold/sore/hot/tired/on a schedule, and then I may abbreviate a chat.