During my research into national parks and the "Big Trip" I have come across many comments that state that generators cannot be taken into National Parks. This seemed incorrect -- can't take generators into National Parks??? so I emailed all National Parks Head Offices except Tasmania and all stated, as at 11 and 12 December 2018, that generators can be taken in to their Parks. However... only some parks will allow generators to be used.
If you want to use a generator in a park I suggest you contact the National Park head office in your state and make your own inquiries.
Bushranger
Aus-Kiwi said
11:13 AM Dec 12, 2018
Its the noise level . Imagine if they all run them ? Some are very noisy and cheap 2 stroke are terrible!!
Mike Harding said
11:16 AM Dec 12, 2018
National Parks are a bit of a minefield.
My understanding is as follows:
Firearms may not be taken into any NP (minor exceptions in Alpine NP)
Chainsaws must be dismantled if taken into NPs in NSW
Dogs may not be taken into any NP but can be drived through if they remain in the car (Cross your legs Fido, yes all four)
"Dispersed camping" is only permitted in areas so declared
Fires not permitted except in firepits in designated camping areas or in dispersed camping areas
Firewood collection not permitted
Bringing firewood into a NP is prohibited (dunno how you're supposed to use those firepits!?)
A ranger can order you out of an NP if he's of a mind to so do - you may require his name and number
Generators may not be used (but may be carried) in NP - a very few exceptions, I think?
Basically you're not really encouraged to have any fun in NPs
National Parks Act 1975 and National Parks Regulations 2013 will advise further if you have masochistic tendencies :)
LLD said
12:58 PM Dec 12, 2018
Fires not permitted except in firepits in designated camping areas or in dispersed camping areas.Firewood collection not permitted.Bringing firewood into a NP is prohibited (dunno how you're supposed to use those firepits!?)
Struck that before. Firewood is often supplied or can be purchased. NPs are worried that wood bought in may contain (white) ants or other creepy crawlies that escape from the fire and cause issues. I believe Mildura had an issue with "imported" white ants many years ago. However I'd thought that collecting dead wood on the ground around a camp area would be a good idea. Greenies have an argument about this collection. Something about breaking the food-chain.
Kebbin said
01:54 PM Dec 12, 2018
LLD wrote:
Fires not permitted except in firepits in designated camping areas or in dispersed camping areas.Firewood collection not permitted.Bringing firewood into a NP is prohibited (dunno how you're supposed to use those firepits!?)
Struck that before. Firewood is often supplied or can be purchased. NPs are worried that wood bought in may contain (white) ants or other creepy crawlies that escape from the fire and cause issues. I believe Mildura had an issue with "imported" white ants many years ago. However I'd thought that collecting dead wood on the ground around a camp area would be a good idea. Greenies have an argument about this collection. Something about breaking the food-chain.
If that is what you think LLD especially after the previous sentence then maybe you shouldn't be going into National Parks.
Hetho said
01:54 PM Dec 12, 2018
Yes, my brand new 5kva will be on sale when I get home early Jan.
Been on the road all year and possibly used it half a dozen times.
Am selling the jennie and will by more solar and an inverter.
Regards.
Hetho
Aus-Kiwi said
02:11 PM Dec 12, 2018
Yea having said that . We would still be out in centre if we didnt have one ! ( sort of) Got us out of trouble a few times . Agree have nearly double the solar and battery you really need . Oh yes . Seperate house and motor battery also . Often as in our case back then . The relay didnt disconnect !!
Meredith said
02:25 PM Dec 12, 2018
It all depends on the National Park. National Parks are state run and different states have their own rules and often varying rules for each park. In WA for instance many of the more popular WA parks like Cape Range, Cape Le Grand, Karijini etc have sections of their campgrounds where generators are permitted but only through the day.
DMaxer said
02:33 PM Dec 12, 2018
Just imagine how much fun a national park would be with all the generators going, dogs all fighting and barking, chainsaws blasting into the trees, fires blazing all the while whilst some hoon discharges the 303 into the wild blue yonder.
How good would that be!
Plain Truth said
02:35 PM Dec 12, 2018
A lot of the popular National Parks such as Karajini in the Pilbara, have designated areas,
Non generator and generator sites.
In the Victorian High country we have never had a problem about using a generator or chainsaw. A lot of times the Rangers leave wood around for the campers to cut up and use.
Have even stood around talking to the Ranger with the generator going,all depends on the Park,whose around and the circumstances.I wouldn't use the generator if anyone was close by.If I really needed to run it I would ask first and keep it to a minimum.
This photo is in a NP.,free camp,free wood and the generator out,but just us there.
Just imagine how much fun a national park would be with all the generators going, dogs all fighting and barking, chainsaws blasting into the trees, fires blazing all the while whilst some hoon discharges the 303 into the wild blue yonder.
How good would that be!
All the above activities are legal in State Forests in Victoria and we don't have an issue.
Whenarewethere said
03:08 PM Dec 12, 2018
We have everything running off 12 volt from the car's auxiliary battery. We also have Braun 2 x AA electric toothbrushes (not quite as good as 240 toothbrush, but not too bad). Bought a 12 volt charger for the camera's batteries etc. With good solar these days l wonder why so many need generators.
LLD said
03:08 PM Dec 12, 2018
Kebbin wrote:
LLD wrote:
Fires not permitted except in firepits in designated camping areas or in dispersed camping areas.Firewood collection not permitted.Bringing firewood into a NP is prohibited (dunno how you're supposed to use those firepits!?)
Struck that before. Firewood is often supplied or can be purchased. NPs are worried that wood bought in may contain (white) ants or other creepy crawlies that escape from the fire and cause issues. I believe Mildura had an issue with "imported" white ants many years ago. However I'd thought that collecting dead wood on the ground around a camp area would be a good idea. Greenies have an argument about this collection. Something about breaking the food-chain.
If that is what you think LLD especially after the previous sentence then maybe you shouldn't be going into National Parks.
Kebbin. Not sure what you mean?
Whenarewethere said
03:27 PM Dec 12, 2018
Not to forget that you can't take chainsaws into all National Parks! A bow saw with new blade, plus some spare new blades, are very efficient, a lot less weight, quiet, less likely to break down & not as dangerous!
Plain Truth said
03:29 PM Dec 12, 2018
DMaxer wrote:
Just imagine how much fun a national park would be with all the generators going, dogs all fighting and barking, chainsaws blasting into the trees, fires blazing all the while whilst some hoon discharges the 303 into the wild blue yonder.
How good would that be!
Looks like you don't go to N.Parks.No dogs and no guns.
Desert Dweller said
04:39 PM Dec 12, 2018
If you research the issue of taking generators into NP's in detail, you'll find that only a small percentage of parks would be ''generators allowed''. Probably the larger more remote ones.
Granty said
04:59 PM Dec 12, 2018
We camp in NPs for their beauty and to listen to the bird life etc. I don't care how quiet you may think your genes are they are an annoying drone and ruin the tranquility. Keep them out of NPs.
fwdoz said
05:01 PM Dec 12, 2018
Taken from WA Parks website:
Guidelines for generator use at camp sites Peaceful camping The noise that generators make can impact on the amenity of a place for other visitors and can disturb the local wildlife, particularly in remote areas where sound travels greater distances. Visitors should use a commonsense approach and minimise their generator use and exercise consideration for other visitors and campers at all times. Safety first Wildfires in protected areas can threaten local plants and animals and put lives and property at risk. To reduce the risk of starting a bushfire from your generator, please ensure: the generator is located in an area clear of fuels, dry grass or other combustible objects extension cords do not cross access tracks and are rated for external use the generator is only refuelled when the engine is cold the generator is not used on days of total fire ban. When and where are generators permitted? Generators can generally be used at camp sites in Western Australias national parks, conservation parks and state forests between 8am and 9pm. However, this may differ in some areas as shown in the tables below. Generator-free camp sites: Park Camp site
Leeuwin-Naturaliste National Park
Conto, Point Road and Boranup camp sites
St John Brook Conservation Park
Workers Pool and Barrabup Pool camp sites
Rapids Conservation Park
Canebreak Pool camp site
Blackwood River National Park
Sues Bridge and Warner Glen camp sites
Cape Range National Park
North Mandu, Kurrajong, North T Bone, Bungarra, Neds Camp (northern section only) and Osprey Bay (sites 1-4) camp sites
Millstream Chichester National Park
Crossing Pool
Windjana Gorge National Park
Quiet camping designated areas
King Leopold Range Conservation Park
Quiet camping designated areas
CAMPING INFORMATION
Generator-permitted camp sites: GENERATORS MAY BE OPERATED in all other DEC camp sites between 8am and 9pm, except at the camp sites below where different operating times apply: Region Park Camp site Hours
Kimberley
Mitchell River NP
Designated camp sites only
8am7pm
Purnululu NP
Walardi, Kurrajong - designated camp sites only
7:30am9pm
Windjana Gorge NP
designated camp sites only
7am9pm
King Leopold Range CP
Silent Grove - designated camp sites only
7am9pm
Pilbara
Millstream Chichester NP
Miliyanna Campground Stargazers Campground
7am-9pm 7am9pm
Midwest
Kennedy Range NP
Temple Gorge
8am1pm and 5pm8pm
Coalseam CP
All designated camp sites
9am11am and 3pm-5pm
Swan
Yalgorup NP
Matins Tank camp site
9am9pm
Warren
DEntrecasteaux NP
Banksia Camp
8am1pm and 5pm9pm
South Coast
Cape Le Grand NP
All designated camp sites
8am1pm and 5pm9pm
Stirling Range, Fitzgerald River, Waychinicup and West Cape Howe NPs
All designated camp sites
10am8pm
Key: NP - national park and CP - conservation park Please note that permits to use generators outside specified hours and parks as outlined above may be granted if a person has a genuine medical reason for its use. Please send a request for a permit, supported by a medical certificate, to the Park Pass Coordinator, Department of Environment and Conservation, Locked Bag 104, Bentley DC WA 6983 or fax (08) 9334 0221. For more information on where generators are permitted within particular parks, please contact the DEC district office of the area you intend to visit. DEC district offices
Albany
(08) 9842 4500
Karratha
(08) 9182 2000
Broome
(08) 9195 5500
Kununurra
(08) 9168 4200
Bunbury
(08) 9725 4300
Merredin
(08) 9041 2488
Busselton
(08) 9752 5555
Mundaring
(08) 9295 1955
Collie
(08) 9734 1988
Narrogin
(08) 9881 9200
Esperance
(08) 9083 2100
Pemberton
(08) 9776 1207
Exmouth
(08) 9947 8000
Shark Bay
(08) 9948 1208
Geraldton
(08) 9921 5955
Wanneroo
(08) 9405 0700
Jurien Bay
(08) 9652 1911
Walpole
(08) 9840 0400
Kalgoorlie
(08) 9080 5555
Visit DECs website at www.dec.wa.gov.au for more information. 2
Whenarewethere said
05:09 PM Dec 12, 2018
We were in Purnululu NP for three nights. Where campers were not allowed to run a generator they ran their car engines. It was an enclosed area with no wind and we were fumigated with diesel exhaust. The last night because we sleep in the car we stayed in a car park for OHS!
Plain Truth said
06:18 PM Dec 12, 2018
One of our favourite Nat.Parks no hassles,just peace and quiet.
Just imagine how much fun a national park would be with all the generators going, dogs all fighting and barking, chainsaws blasting into the trees, fires blazing all the while whilst some hoon discharges the 303 into the wild blue yonder.
How good would that be!
There is a fair bit of hyperbole here but I wholly agree with the sentiments. If you think that the national parks are over governed then stick to your state forests. that way we all have places we are comfortable in.
Mike Harding said
12:13 PM Dec 21, 2018
PeterD wrote:
DMaxer wrote:
Just imagine how much fun a national park would be with all the generators going, dogs all fighting and barking, chainsaws blasting into the trees, fires blazing all the while whilst some hoon discharges the 303 into the wild blue yonder.
How good would that be!
There is a fair bit of hyperbole here but I wholly agree with the sentiments. If you think that the national parks are over governed then stick to your state forests. that way we all have places we are comfortable in.
The problem is the greenies keep wanting to turn State Forests into National Parks:
https://www.austdeer.com.au/gfnp/
But then they really don't want anyone except "approved" people ideally on "approved" and supervised tours going into the bush, do they....
Jaahn said
01:47 PM Dec 21, 2018
Mike Harding wrote:
PeterD wrote:
DMaxer wrote:
Just imagine how much fun a national park would be with all the generators going, dogs all fighting and barking, chainsaws blasting into the trees, fires blazing all the while whilst some hoon discharges the 303 into the wild blue yonder.
How good would that be!
There is a fair bit of hyperbole here but I wholly agree with the sentiments. If you think that the national parks are over governed then stick to your state forests. that way we all have places we are comfortable in.
The problem is the greenies keep wanting to turn State Forests into National Parks:
https://www.austdeer.com.au/gfnp/
But then they really don't want anyone except "approved" people ideally on "approved" and supervised tours going into the bush, do they....
Hi Mike
Seems like I might fit your definition of a 'greenie'. I have been going into the bush since ---- forever. The state forests and national parks and some unclassified areas too probably. I try to tread lightly, do not leave stuff behind, do not shoot animals, do not cut down trees, large or small, do not drive through unmade roads and some other things too.
Does that make me a greenie or just a sensible ordinary person who wants to leave something for the future. And does not believe everything must be given or sold to the highest bidder group, for money or votes.
Jaahn
Mike Harding said
05:45 PM Dec 21, 2018
Jaahn wrote:
Seems like I might fit your definition of a 'greenie'.
It sounds, very much, as if you're posting just to be argumentative.
Why do you not shoot feral animals? I must assume you're perfectly comfortable with them destroying our native species?
Cutting down trees, leaving rubbish in the bush and driving through living vegetation? That's just talk to try and get a rise.
Yeah, you do sound like my definition of a greenie - someone who thinks only they and their mates should be allowed into the bush and all others - who do not follow the party line - locked out.
During my research into national parks and the "Big Trip" I have come across many comments that state that generators cannot be taken into National Parks. This seemed incorrect -- can't take generators into National Parks??? so I emailed all National Parks Head Offices except Tasmania and all stated, as at 11 and 12 December 2018, that generators can be taken in to their Parks. However... only some parks will allow generators to be used.
If you want to use a generator in a park I suggest you contact the National Park head office in your state and make your own inquiries.
Bushranger
National Parks are a bit of a minefield.
My understanding is as follows:
Firearms may not be taken into any NP (minor exceptions in Alpine NP)
Chainsaws must be dismantled if taken into NPs in NSW
Dogs may not be taken into any NP but can be drived through if they remain in the car (Cross your legs Fido, yes all four)
"Dispersed camping" is only permitted in areas so declared
Fires not permitted except in firepits in designated camping areas or in dispersed camping areas
Firewood collection not permitted
Bringing firewood into a NP is prohibited (dunno how you're supposed to use those firepits!?)
A ranger can order you out of an NP if he's of a mind to so do - you may require his name and number
Generators may not be used (but may be carried) in NP - a very few exceptions, I think?
Basically you're not really encouraged to have any fun in NPs
National Parks Act 1975 and National Parks Regulations 2013 will advise further if you have masochistic tendencies :)
Fires not permitted except in firepits in designated camping areas or in dispersed camping areas.Firewood collection not permitted.Bringing firewood into a NP is prohibited (dunno how you're supposed to use those firepits!?)
Struck that before. Firewood is often supplied or can be purchased. NPs are worried that wood bought in may contain (white) ants or other creepy crawlies that escape from the fire and cause issues. I believe Mildura had an issue with "imported" white ants many years ago. However I'd thought that collecting dead wood on the ground around a camp area would be a good idea. Greenies have an argument about this collection. Something about breaking the food-chain.
If that is what you think LLD especially after the previous sentence then maybe you shouldn't be going into National Parks.
Yes, my brand new 5kva will be on sale when I get home early Jan.
Been on the road all year and possibly used it half a dozen times.
Am selling the jennie and will by more solar and an inverter.
Regards.
Hetho
Just imagine how much fun a national park would be with all the generators going, dogs all fighting and barking, chainsaws blasting into the trees, fires blazing all the while whilst some hoon discharges the 303 into the wild blue yonder.
How good would that be!
A lot of the popular National Parks such as Karajini in the Pilbara, have designated areas,
Non generator and generator sites.
In the Victorian High country we have never had a problem about using a generator or chainsaw. A lot of times the Rangers leave wood around for the campers to cut up and use.
Have even stood around talking to the Ranger with the generator going,all depends on the Park,whose around and the circumstances.I wouldn't use the generator if anyone was close by.If I really needed to run it I would ask first and keep it to a minimum.
This photo is in a NP.,free camp,free wood and the generator out,but just us there.
All the above activities are legal in State Forests in Victoria and we don't have an issue.
We have everything running off 12 volt from the car's auxiliary battery. We also have Braun 2 x AA electric toothbrushes (not quite as good as 240 toothbrush, but not too bad). Bought a 12 volt charger for the camera's batteries etc. With good solar these days l wonder why so many need generators.
Kebbin. Not sure what you mean?
Not to forget that you can't take chainsaws into all National Parks! A bow saw with new blade, plus some spare new blades, are very efficient, a lot less weight, quiet, less likely to break down & not as dangerous!
Looks like you don't go to N.Parks.No dogs and no guns.
Taken from WA Parks website:
Guidelines for generator use at camp sites
Peaceful camping
The noise that generators make can impact on the amenity of a place for other visitors and can disturb the local wildlife,
particularly in remote areas where sound travels greater distances. Visitors should use a commonsense approach and minimise
their generator use and exercise consideration for other visitors and campers at all times.
Safety first
Wildfires in protected areas can threaten local plants and animals and put lives and property at risk. To reduce the risk of
starting a bushfire from your generator, please ensure:
the generator is located in an area clear of fuels, dry grass or other combustible objects
extension cords do not cross access tracks and are rated for external use
the generator is only refuelled when the engine is cold
the generator is not used on days of total fire ban.
When and where are generators permitted?
Generators can generally be used at camp sites in Western Australias national parks, conservation parks and state forests
between 8am and 9pm. However, this may differ in some areas as shown in the tables below.
Generator-free camp sites:
Park Camp site
(northern section only) and Osprey Bay (sites 1-4) camp sites
CAMPING INFORMATION
Generator-permitted camp sites:
GENERATORS MAY BE OPERATED in all other DEC camp sites between 8am and 9pm, except at the camp sites below where
different operating times apply:
Region Park Camp site Hours
camp sites only
camp sites only
Stargazers Campground
7am9pm
Waychinicup and West Cape
Howe NPs
Key: NP - national park and CP - conservation park
Please note that permits to use generators outside specified hours and parks as outlined above may be granted if a
person has a genuine medical reason for its use. Please send a request for a permit, supported by a medical certificate,
to the Park Pass Coordinator, Department of Environment and Conservation, Locked Bag 104, Bentley DC WA 6983 or
fax (08) 9334 0221.
For more information on where generators are permitted within particular parks, please contact the DEC district office of the
area you intend to visit.
DEC district offices
Visit DECs website at www.dec.wa.gov.au for more information.
2
We were in Purnululu NP for three nights. Where campers were not allowed to run a generator they ran their car engines. It was an enclosed area with no wind and we were fumigated with diesel exhaust. The last night because we sleep in the car we stayed in a car park for OHS!
One of our favourite Nat.Parks no hassles,just peace and quiet.
*thumbs up*!
There is a fair bit of hyperbole here but I wholly agree with the sentiments. If you think that the national parks are over governed then stick to your state forests. that way we all have places we are comfortable in.
The problem is the greenies keep wanting to turn State Forests into National Parks:
https://www.austdeer.com.au/gfnp/
But then they really don't want anyone except "approved" people ideally on "approved" and supervised tours going into the bush, do they....
Hi Mike
Seems like I might fit your definition of a 'greenie'. I have been going into the bush since ---- forever. The state forests and national parks and some unclassified areas too probably. I try to tread lightly, do not leave stuff behind, do not shoot animals, do not cut down trees, large or small, do not drive through unmade roads and some other things too.
Does that make me a greenie or just a sensible ordinary person who wants to leave something for the future. And does not believe everything must be given or sold to the highest bidder group, for money or votes.
Jaahn
Seems like I might fit your definition of a 'greenie'.
It sounds, very much, as if you're posting just to be argumentative.
Why do you not shoot feral animals? I must assume you're perfectly comfortable with them destroying our native species?
Cutting down trees, leaving rubbish in the bush and driving through living vegetation? That's just talk to try and get a rise.
Yeah, you do sound like my definition of a greenie - someone who thinks only they and their mates should be allowed into the bush and all others - who do not follow the party line - locked out.