It is legal to record for time shifting purposes a Netflix video - despite what their terms and conditions may say - this was established as "fair use" under copyright law long ago when VCRs came of age and the film companies tried to kill them. Whether you are permitted to archive these recordings to watch again in a years time is less clear and you should not give the copies to others or sell them.
Netflix have released software for tablets and Windows 10 which permits you to download certain videos of their choice, I haven't looked at their list so don't know what's excluded.
However if you don't have an appropriate tablet or Windows 10 or your required video is not available via their software you can "capture" it using this software:
Open Broadcaster Software https://obsproject.com/
Instructions for using it are here: https://www.wikihow.com/Download-Shows-from-Netflix
Note: if "Step 19" produces sound but no video then set the source to "Window Capture" and point it to the appropriate browser window.
Also note this software simply "grabs" the audio and video playing on your monitor, you still have to let the video run its full length in order to record it. It's a little cumbersome but if you wish to record (say) a series to watch over a few weeks when you're in the bush this software will let you do it. I grabbed a couple of episodes of Black Mirror - a *scary* programme.
Edit: Typo, I loath HTML.
-- Edited by Mike Harding on Thursday 1st of November 2018 01:22:57 PM
palaceboy said
12:50 PM Nov 1, 2018
If someone offered you a complete black mirror series on a USB stick for a couple of those fish you just caught, or to replace a couple of belts on a tug, would you accept them? Or would the legality bother you?
Mike Harding said
12:56 PM Nov 1, 2018
palaceboy wrote:
If someone offered you a complete black mirror series on a USB stick for a couple of those fish you just caught, or to replace a couple of belts on a tug, would you accept them? Or would the legality bother you?
A fair question and I will provide an honest answer but, before I do, allow me to ask you how you feel about public libraries?
Yuglamron said
01:09 PM Nov 1, 2018
In this day and age it seems legality is he who has the deepest pockets.
A Certain Qld Govt Dept. has been renting Videos/DVD's for years and playing them where they shouldn't according to the Blurb on each DVD.
Personally if something is broadcast ,once it is out there it is fair game to save for personal use. Not for profit but for you and your family to watch or listen to.
Technically it's then public domain IMHO.
I realise it's fanciful but if you had the means to record stuff that has been broadcast over open airwaves it is in effect out there for one and all.
palaceboy said
01:19 PM Nov 1, 2018
Mike Harding wrote:
palaceboy wrote:
If someone offered you a complete black mirror series on a USB stick for a couple of those fish you just caught, or to replace a couple of belts on a tug, would you accept them? Or would the legality bother you?
A fair question and I will provide an honest answer but, before I do, allow me to ask you how you feel about public libraries?
Haven't been to one in decades, which is rather remiss of me.
So fairly ambivalent, in the sense I don't think they have much to offer for me personally. Especially when it comes to the physical presence one needs to use their services.
Mike Harding said
01:34 PM Nov 1, 2018
palaceboy wrote:
Mike Harding wrote:
palaceboy wrote:
If someone offered you a complete black mirror series on a USB stick for a couple of those fish you just caught, or to replace a couple of belts on a tug, would you accept them? Or would the legality bother you?
A fair question and I will provide an honest answer but, before I do, allow me to ask you how you feel about public libraries?
Haven't been to one in decades, which is rather remiss of me.
So fairly ambivalent, in the sense I don't think they have much to offer for me personally. Especially when it comes to the physical presence one needs to use their services.
I think you deliberately avoided dealing with the moral juxtaposition I posed regarding libraries. A little remiss if you are going to point fingers. Anyway....
I would accept the USB stick and the legality would not trouble me in the slightest.
Allow me to explore this moral maze a little further: Channel 4 and Netflix are massive companies with huge resources and my act of theft from them would not damage them in any quantifiable way.
To contrast: one of my favourite music bands is The Wallin' Jennys; a trio of young Canadian women who write most of their own stuff. They are not well known out of North America and little known even there. Very occasionally I'll copy one of their original CDs I have bought and give it to a friend but I make the stipulation that if he/she likes them then they should buy the CD I have given them and any future CDs they desire.
Forty years ago I bought, as a LP record, Fleetwood Mac's album Rumours (still one of the best rock albums ever). I paid the full price for it which included the costs of packaging, the LP pressing, distribution, retail margin and largest of all those costs the intellectual property.
About 10 years ago my turntable broke and I went to JB Hi Fi to buy a CD copy of the album, it was selling at full retail of $30. I contacted Warner Brothers and told them I had already paid for the IP and didn't wish to pay a second time - they said "Tough", so I downloaded it via torrent and that didn't trouble me in the slightest either.
I am a comparative and relative thief.
I may steal a pencil from work but I would not steal one from a disabled person selling pencils. I think most people operate on a similar moral base.
Crumbs from the rich man's table? Isn't that biblical?
Good question though and thanks for it.
palaceboy said
01:48 PM Nov 1, 2018
Mike Harding wrote:
palaceboy wrote:
Mike Harding wrote:
palaceboy wrote:
If someone offered you a complete black mirror series on a USB stick for a couple of those fish you just caught, or to replace a couple of belts on a tug, would you accept them? Or would the legality bother you?
A fair question and I will provide an honest answer but, before I do, allow me to ask you how you feel about public libraries?
Haven't been to one in decades, which is rather remiss of me.
So fairly ambivalent, in the sense I don't think they have much to offer for me personally. Especially when it comes to the physical presence one needs to use their services.
I think you deliberately avoided dealing with the moral juxtaposition I posed regarding libraries. A little remiss if you are going to point fingers. Anyway....
I would accept the USB stick and the legality would not trouble me in the slightest.
Allow me to explore this moral maze a little further: Channel 4 and Netflix are massive companies with huge resources and my act of theft from them would not damage them in any quantifiable way.
To contrast: one of my favourite music bands is The Wallin' Jennys; a trio of young Canadian women who write most of their own stuff. They are not well known out of North America and little known even there. Very occasionally I'll copy one of their original CDs I have bought and give it to a friend but I make the stipulation that if he/she likes them then they should buy the CD I have given them and any future CDs they desire.
Forty years ago I bought, as a LP record, Fleetwood Mac's album Rumours (still one of the best rock albums ever). I paid the full price for it which included the costs of packaging, the LP pressing, distribution, retail margin and largest of all those costs the intellectual property.
About 10 years ago my turntable broke and I went to JB Hi Fi to buy a CD copy of the album, it was selling at full retail of $30. I contacted Warner Brothers and told them I had already paid for the IP and didn't wish to pay a second time - they said "Tough", so I downloaded it via torrent and that didn't trouble me in the slightest either.
I am a comparative and relative thief.
I may steal a pencil from work but I would not steal one from a disabled person selling pencils. I think most people operate on a similar moral base.
Crumbs from the rich man's table? Isn't that biblical?
Good question though and thanks for it.
Ahh I see you were coming at it from a personal morality angle. With a touch of philosophy thrown in, I'm probably not that deep personally. Although I do enjoy these kind of conversations as opposed to say AFL chat.
When I saw your OP I figured that this fellow has mentioned the legalities first and foremost, so its definitely on your mind and well worth the enquiry..
I've been collecting media since pre napster days, back then it was via FTP sharing and then it evolved and then some. Streaming has nipped it in the bud in the last 30 months or so, I will say, and will probably cause more and more questions to be asked.
I've got "quite" a collection, so much so, it could well be useful on the road, my MO so to speak, that and hopefully helping people with software tech on the road. So definitely not pointing a stick in your direction in any way shape or form. Just testing the water at what seemed a good opportunity.
Cheers Mike :)
Mike Harding said
02:09 PM Nov 1, 2018
Hi PB
All noted :)
The Napster thing was out of control: one rich company trying to steal from other rich companies. People *must* be able to make a profit from their art et al otherwise they can't put bread on the table. Having said that... the Warner Bros of this world usually take the lions share....
I run a torrent server for spoken word audio, mainly pre broadcast BBC audio. I consider this to be a public service as I'm torrenting stuff it's impossible to buy but much of which *really should* remain available. I'm up around 500GB! However I love to listen to this stuff when I'm in the bush.
palaceboy said
02:17 PM Nov 1, 2018
Mike Harding wrote:
Hi PB
All noted :)
The Napster thing was out of control: one rich company trying to steal from other rich companies. People *must* be able to make a profit from their art et al otherwise they can't put bread on the table. Having said that... the Warner Bros of this world usually take the lions share....
I run a torrent server for spoken word audio, mainly pre broadcast BBC audio. I consider this to be a public service as I'm torrenting stuff it's impossible to buy but much of which *really should* remain available. I'm up around 500GB! However I love to listen to this stuff when I'm in the bush.
Wow! Is it that server with all the old radio shows on it like "The Navy Lark" and "Marriage Lines" etc? Actually I'm thinking of a live streamer, which I've lost the address to. I listen to that kind program occasionally to pass the time away on my night shift duties.
That's something I don't have, radio shows, nice one.
Do you have those mentioned comedies and their ilk available?
Dickodownunder said
02:49 PM Nov 1, 2018
Without delving into the moral dilemma of movie piracy, Netflix actually permits you to download movies and episodes of series onto your device for watching later. This function is ideal when camping in areas where the internet may not be available or for watching on the bus on the way to work. ( sorry about that word ) The download goes into a file on your Netflix app and you can watch it at any time but....the download expires after approx 3 to 4 weeks so is not a permanent file. DVDs are really yesterdays technology. We have many movies stored on USB drives which are a lot more practical when travelling.
Anyway carry on with the discussion, it is strangely interesting
-- Edited by Dickodownunder on Thursday 1st of November 2018 02:50:58 PM
Mike Harding said
03:22 PM Nov 1, 2018
>Do you have those mentioned comedies and their ilk available?
You missed mentioning "The Men from the Ministry" :)
I do, or some of them at least and if you haven't heard some of the more modern ones such as "Old Harry's Game" and "Cabin Pressure" to name but two then you have a huge treat in store. British comedy at its best. However you cannot access my server directly you will have to go through the site I PMed you. Their rules are onerous and you *will* be required to seed but it is a wealth of content so much of which is simply unavailable elsewhere - bought or torrented.
Are you aware it's possible to "Podcast" a heap of radio stuff from the BBC Radio website. Much great stuff on there and this is a good podcast client:
http://juicereceiver.sourceforge.net/
DeBe said
07:02 PM Nov 1, 2018
Any pictures Ive posted here & on other forums in relation to fridges & electronic stuff is certainly out there, Even if it is my work. All you have to do is Google it, so as far as I can see Google has it all. Not that it realy worries me.
2-Smiths said
01:38 PM Nov 2, 2018
Interesting discussion.
We were planning to go an live overseas for a while, and had started downsizing our stuff. Noting that the country we were planning to go to would have charged us duty on our DVDs and CDs, we digitised them on to a (large) Server I run at home. Having changed our minds to travel in our own back yard, that digitisation might come in handy...although I suspect the Server full of "spinning rust" might need to be stored or sold, in favour of a box populated only with SSDs...
I use a variety of tools to "scrape" web-based videos, depending on media type. On a paid-subscription sports site, I can ostensibly watch games "live", but given the limits of streaming speeds, it's less than ideal, and is only streamed in SD. However, I can also replay those same games later (in HD), and I will then usuall use one of the tools to download the file to the Server. Makes watching them on a laptop (or even the large TV we have), a snap.
On the subject of IP/copyright etc. As I understand it, one is allowed to make an "archival/backup copy of the paid for media" (or something similar to that).
A few years back, we needed some DVD cloning software - to be able to make such backups. We bought and paid for the software required. Some years later, it downloaded an upgrade, and then when it was next used, told us our (purchased) key was invalid, and invited us to purchase another.
We have that software installed and running happily on my machine now.
Any guesses as to whether we took them up on their offer to purchase a second key, or whether we obtained it via other means???
palaceboy said
02:55 PM Nov 2, 2018
2-Smiths wrote:
Interesting discussion.
We were planning to go an live overseas for a while, and had started downsizing our stuff. Noting that the country we were planning to go to would have charged us duty on our DVDs and CDs, we digitised them on to a (large) Server I run at home. Having changed our minds to travel in our own back yard, that digitisation might come in handy...although I suspect the Server full of "spinning rust" might need to be stored or sold, in favour of a box populated only with SSDs...
I use a variety of tools to "scrape" web-based videos, depending on media type. On a paid-subscription sports site, I can ostensibly watch games "live", but given the limits of streaming speeds, it's less than ideal, and is only streamed in SD. However, I can also replay those same games later (in HD), and I will then usuall use one of the tools to download the file to the Server. Makes watching them on a laptop (or even the large TV we have), a snap.
On the subject of IP/copyright etc. As I understand it, one is allowed to make an "archival/backup copy of the paid for media" (or something similar to that).
A few years back, we needed some DVD cloning software - to be able to make such backups. We bought and paid for the software required. Some years later, it downloaded an upgrade, and then when it was next used, told us our (purchased) key was invalid, and invited us to purchase another.
We have that software installed and running happily on my machine now.
Any guesses as to whether we took them up on their offer to purchase a second key, or whether we obtained it via other means???
It's almost like the system goads one into unscrupulous means. I really need to collate my collections. My Music Library was warped into a totally anarchic mess by Itunes way back and I still haven't reordered the damn thing properly. As for my TV and Movie Library well, Kodi makes good order out of that yet Media Monkey comes up with something equally good but completely different. I need to reconcile this soon before I go on the road. I'm thinking of whacking the whole lot on the cloud, so as to not have more than a terabyte or so in my physical hands at any given time.
I'm thinking that 199 buck a month unlimited Telstra sim could be a boon for me.
It is legal to record for time shifting purposes a Netflix video - despite what their terms and conditions may say - this was established as "fair use" under copyright law long ago when VCRs came of age and the film companies tried to kill them. Whether you are permitted to archive these recordings to watch again in a years time is less clear and you should not give the copies to others or sell them.
Netflix have released software for tablets and Windows 10 which permits you to download certain videos of their choice, I haven't looked at their list so don't know what's excluded.
However if you don't have an appropriate tablet or Windows 10 or your required video is not available via their software you can "capture" it using this software:
Open Broadcaster Software
https://obsproject.com/
Instructions for using it are here:
https://www.wikihow.com/Download-Shows-from-Netflix
Note: if "Step 19" produces sound but no video then set the source to "Window Capture" and point it to the appropriate browser window.
Also note this software simply "grabs" the audio and video playing on your monitor, you still have to let the video run its full length in order to record it. It's a little cumbersome but if you wish to record (say) a series to watch over a few weeks when you're in the bush this software will let you do it. I grabbed a couple of episodes of Black Mirror - a *scary* programme.
Edit: Typo, I loath HTML.
-- Edited by Mike Harding on Thursday 1st of November 2018 01:22:57 PM
A fair question and I will provide an honest answer but, before I do, allow me to ask you how you feel about public libraries?
In this day and age it seems legality is he who has the deepest pockets.
A Certain Qld Govt Dept. has been renting Videos/DVD's for years and playing them where they shouldn't according to the Blurb on each DVD.
Personally if something is broadcast ,once it is out there it is fair game to save for personal use. Not for profit but for you and your family to watch or listen to.
Technically it's then public domain IMHO.
I realise it's fanciful but if you had the means to record stuff that has been broadcast over open airwaves it is in effect out there for one and all.
Haven't been to one in decades, which is rather remiss of me.
So fairly ambivalent, in the sense I don't think they have much to offer for me personally. Especially when it comes to the physical presence one needs to use their services.
I think you deliberately avoided dealing with the moral juxtaposition
I posed regarding libraries. A little remiss if you are going to
point fingers. Anyway....
I would accept the USB stick and the legality would not trouble me in
the slightest.
Allow me to explore this moral maze a little further:
Channel 4 and Netflix are massive companies with huge resources and
my act of theft from them would not damage them in any quantifiable
way.
To contrast: one of my favourite music bands is The Wallin' Jennys; a
trio of young Canadian women who write most of their own stuff. They
are not well known out of North America and little known even there.
Very occasionally I'll copy one of their original CDs I have bought
and give it to a friend but I make the stipulation that if he/she
likes them then they should buy the CD I have given them and any
future CDs they desire.
Forty years ago I bought, as a LP record, Fleetwood Mac's album
Rumours (still one of the best rock albums ever). I paid the full
price for it which included the costs of packaging, the LP pressing,
distribution, retail margin and largest of all those costs the
intellectual property.
About 10 years ago my turntable broke and I went to JB Hi Fi to buy a
CD copy of the album, it was selling at full retail of $30. I
contacted Warner Brothers and told them I had already paid for the IP
and didn't wish to pay a second time - they said "Tough", so I
downloaded it via torrent and that didn't trouble me in the slightest
either.
I am a comparative and relative thief.
I may steal a pencil from work but I would not steal one from a
disabled person selling pencils. I think most people operate on a
similar moral base.
Crumbs from the rich man's table? Isn't that biblical?
Good question though and thanks for it.
Ahh I see you were coming at it from a personal morality angle. With a touch of philosophy thrown in, I'm probably not that deep personally. Although I do enjoy these kind of conversations as opposed to say AFL chat.
When I saw your OP I figured that this fellow has mentioned the legalities first and foremost, so its definitely on your mind and well worth the enquiry..
I've been collecting media since pre napster days, back then it was via FTP sharing and then it evolved and then some. Streaming has nipped it in the bud in the last 30 months or so, I will say, and will probably cause more and more questions to be asked.
I've got "quite" a collection, so much so, it could well be useful on the road, my MO so to speak, that and hopefully helping people with software tech on the road. So definitely not pointing a stick in your direction in any way shape or form. Just testing the water at what seemed a good opportunity.
Cheers Mike :)
Hi PB
All noted :)
The Napster thing was out of control: one rich company trying to steal from other rich companies. People *must* be able to make a profit from their art et al otherwise they can't put bread on the table. Having said that... the Warner Bros of this world usually take the lions share....
I run a torrent server for spoken word audio, mainly pre broadcast BBC audio. I consider this to be a public service as I'm torrenting stuff it's impossible to buy but much of which *really should* remain available. I'm up around 500GB! However I love to listen to this stuff when I'm in the bush.
Wow! Is it that server with all the old radio shows on it like "The Navy Lark" and "Marriage Lines" etc? Actually I'm thinking of a live streamer, which I've lost the address to. I listen to that kind program occasionally to pass the time away on my night shift duties.
That's something I don't have, radio shows, nice one.
Do you have those mentioned comedies and their ilk available?
Without delving into the moral dilemma of movie piracy, Netflix actually permits you to download movies and episodes of series onto your device for watching later.
This function is ideal when camping in areas where the internet may not be available or for watching on the bus on the way to work. ( sorry about that word )
The download goes into a file on your Netflix app and you can watch it at any time but....the download expires after approx 3 to 4 weeks so is not a permanent file.
DVDs are really yesterdays technology. We have many movies stored on USB drives which are a lot more practical when travelling.
Anyway carry on with the discussion, it is strangely interesting
-- Edited by Dickodownunder on Thursday 1st of November 2018 02:50:58 PM
>Do you have those mentioned comedies and their ilk available?
You missed mentioning "The Men from the Ministry" :)
I do, or some of them at least and if you haven't heard some of the
more modern ones such as "Old Harry's Game" and "Cabin Pressure" to
name but two then you have a huge treat in store. British comedy at
its best. However you cannot access my server directly you will have
to go through the site I PMed you. Their rules are onerous and you
*will* be required to seed but it is a wealth of content so much of
which is simply unavailable elsewhere - bought or torrented.
Are you aware it's possible to "Podcast" a heap of radio stuff from
the BBC Radio website. Much great stuff on there and this is a good
podcast client:
http://juicereceiver.sourceforge.net/
We were planning to go an live overseas for a while, and had started downsizing our stuff. Noting that the country we were planning to go to would have charged us duty on our DVDs and CDs, we digitised them on to a (large) Server I run at home. Having changed our minds to travel in our own back yard, that digitisation might come in handy...although I suspect the Server full of "spinning rust" might need to be stored or sold, in favour of a box populated only with SSDs...
I use a variety of tools to "scrape" web-based videos, depending on media type. On a paid-subscription sports site, I can ostensibly watch games "live", but given the limits of streaming speeds, it's less than ideal, and is only streamed in SD. However, I can also replay those same games later (in HD), and I will then usuall use one of the tools to download the file to the Server. Makes watching them on a laptop (or even the large TV we have), a snap.
On the subject of IP/copyright etc. As I understand it, one is allowed to make an "archival/backup copy of the paid for media" (or something similar to that).
A few years back, we needed some DVD cloning software - to be able to make such backups. We bought and paid for the software required. Some years later, it downloaded an upgrade, and then when it was next used, told us our (purchased) key was invalid, and invited us to purchase another.
We have that software installed and running happily on my machine now.
Any guesses as to whether we took them up on their offer to purchase a second key, or whether we obtained it via other means???
It's almost like the system goads one into unscrupulous means. I really need to collate my collections. My Music Library was warped into a totally anarchic mess by Itunes way back and I still haven't reordered the damn thing properly. As for my TV and Movie Library well, Kodi makes good order out of that yet Media Monkey comes up with something equally good but completely different. I need to reconcile this soon before I go on the road. I'm thinking of whacking the whole lot on the cloud, so as to not have more than a terabyte or so in my physical hands at any given time.
I'm thinking that 199 buck a month unlimited Telstra sim could be a boon for me.