Firstly you may ask why I am posting about 5G phones.
In time when they are fully rolled out the speed for Data on your phone will be way faster than the NBN if that is ever finished. So 5G will benefit the grey nomad.
Main point I am raising, the Australian Govt in their wisdom preclude Huwei from being involved in the 5G network because of "Security" concerns. Huwei are one of the worlds top designer and builders of Telco products in the World. Only the USA and Australia won't use Huwei.
Telstra have gone with Ericson a Swedish Company.
If you dig about just a little it appears that lo and behold the majority of Ericson's products are manufactured by... Subsidiary companies of Huwei in China.
Source CNET.
Dougwe said
08:08 PM Oct 31, 2018
I think I might hang out for 5G to be up and running then replace my Galaxy 6, 4G.
-- Edited by Dougwe on Wednesday 31st of October 2018 08:09:29 PM
Cupie said
11:06 PM Oct 31, 2018
Dougwe wrote:
I think I might hang out for 5G to be up and running then replace my Galaxy 6, 4G.
-- Edited by Dougwe on Wednesday 31st of October 2018 08:09:29 PM
Take very good care of your Galaxy 6. It may have to last for a long time if you want 5G with reasonable coverage.
The issues that come with the high frequencies of 5G are already reportedly, forcing the 'first to market' providers to look lower down the frequency spectrum with the accompanying loss of speed & data capacity.
ie 5G has very low (distance) coverage.
I too don't trust the Chinese manufacturers .. but then I'm not a fan of Silicon Valley or the Russians either .. Am I paranoid or what?
palaceboy said
01:19 AM Nov 1, 2018
5G is essential for Autonomous vehicles. So a step closer to a driverless future. Makes me wonder if I'll be around to see the end of the driving Grey Nomad Culture... Circa 2040 I reckon... Ill be 86.
The Belmont Bear said
08:31 AM Nov 1, 2018
I have to admit that I am not that tech savy when it comes to mobile phones or their networks. I bought an iphone 6 and I chose to use Telstra prepaid to run it - when we are at home I probably use my phone a couple of times a week. When travelling we also have a Telstra prepaid modem that we use along with our ipad for the internet even to make the odd voice or video calls via Facebook Messenger. My question is how does moving to this new 5G technology really affect light users like me as it all seems to work quite well on 4G ? As far as Huwei and Erickson mobile phones are concerned I have never heard of one brand and never owned the other so that proves when it comes to phones just how much knowledge or interest I have in them
Cheers
BB
2-Smiths said
08:57 AM Nov 1, 2018
palaceboy wrote:
5G is essential for Autonomous vehicles. So a step closer to a driverless future. Makes me wonder if I'll be around to see the end of the driving Grey Nomad Culture... Circa 2040 I reckon... Ill be 86.
The so-called "Driverless future" raises all sorts of interesting points, leaving aside the increasing slide towards abrogation of (driver) responsibility.
Will people need Driver licenses?
insurance? Under a strict liability system, who is at fault in a collision involving autonomous vehicles?
Probably one of the biggest "issues" to come out of this concerns Fine revenue. I'm guessing that autonomous vehicles will use a system of GPS/geo-location services to understand where they are, and the speed limits etc. applicable to that zone. You'd imagine, then, that they would "self-limit" so as not to exceed the speed limit in the zone they were in...?
Sounds like quite a bit of foregone revenue to me. I wonder how Governments of the future will attempt to recoup that lost/foregone revenue?
Yuglamron said
10:05 AM Nov 1, 2018
I believe that 5G trial is happening right now on the Gold Coast although no reports seem to be around about how it's working.
I like Cupies post '"Not a fan of....
Personally I don't trust any of them.
First Apple designed updates that made your iPhone slower so you would upgrade. Windows 10 had software to track every keystroke so they could crack down on Piracy so they said. We find out that the NSA in the States, Australia at Pine Gap and the Brits at Fylingdales record every phone call. All because of 9/11.
Funny all those places existed long before 9/11.
Phone companies introduce fingerprint recognition to their phones, tablets and PC's. Now it's facial recognition. Track your phone so if you lose it?
Software from Russia that remembers all your passwords for you. Do you trust the Russians?
Now miniature GPS sensors that can track anything anywhere. I can see a use for that. Place them in your Van or Motor Home or tug and if your vehicle is stolen you can track it's every move.
Software on your phone that can be put in your kids phones to tell you where they are, if they are driving, if the are speeding. Next will be an App and hardware on your phone that won't allow the car to start if it senses alcohol, or is that already here?
This is the stuff George Orwell wrote about sixty years ago. 1984 Big Brother stuff of nightmares.
Conspiracy theorists Bonanaza. Lol
Glad I'm an oldie and won't see where we are going.
-- Edited by Yuglamron on Thursday 1st of November 2018 10:10:25 AM
Bryan said
12:05 PM Nov 1, 2018
George Orwell saw that coming years ago. Gonna get worse too.
mixo said
06:36 PM Nov 1, 2018
5G is not the next big thing.Do not believe what you read or hear on the news.
Look up the internet on how 5G works.Good in town but it will be crap in the country.
Lots of people in USA already complaining about it.
Lets see what happens in the coming years.
mixo
PeterD said
11:43 PM Nov 2, 2018
The Belmont Bear wrote:
My question is how does moving to this new 5G technology really affect light users like me as it all seems to work quite well on 4G ?
It probably not be worth the expense of upgrading. Currently, you may find that 3G is all you need. 3G will carry all the video you watch without stuttering. Unless you are downloading mega size files (like downloading very large programmes) you only have to wait a few minutes to download on 3G. If you only have 3G now is it worth upgrading up to 4G? If you are using a computer with an older Wi-Fi adaptor then that may be the limiting factor and you will not get the full benefit of 4G. In the future you may need to update your computer to get any benefit from 5G, you will have to suss out the maximum transfer rate of your Wi-Fi to check if you will get any benefit from the newer wireless modem.
I will not be racing out to get a new modem. I will wait until the present one fails.
vince56 said
07:31 AM Nov 3, 2018
Weekend Australian Headline: "China used Huawei for hack attack"
Jaahn said
08:45 PM Nov 3, 2018
The Belmont Bear wrote:
I have to admit that I am not that tech savy when it comes to mobile phones or their networks. I bought an iphone 6 and I chose to use Telstra prepaid to run it - when we are at home I probably use my phone a couple of times a week. When travelling we also have a Telstra prepaid modem that we use along with our ipad for the internet even to make the odd voice or video calls via Facebook Messenger. My question is how does moving to this new 5G technology really affect light users like me as it all seems to work quite well on 4G ? As far as Huwei and Erickson mobile phones are concerned I have never heard of one brand and never owned the other so that proves when it comes to phones just how much knowledge or interest I have in them
Cheers
BB
Hi BB
My advice, after some discussion with persons who do know is do not worry about it as it is not happening here for quite a while. The current discussion is mostly BS and there are no hard plans to roll it out in the near future. The problems are not even solved yet let alone the hardware or even the standards for it.
The spin merchants are just softening up the gullibile punters to get them salivating like the Iphone buyers do for new stuff. The time frame for 5G out of the cities is forever.
Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Saturday 3rd of November 2018 08:47:04 PM
dogbox said
09:35 PM Nov 3, 2018
2-Smiths wrote:
palaceboy wrote:
5G is essential for Autonomous vehicles. So a step closer to a driverless future. Makes me wonder if I'll be around to see the end of the driving Grey Nomad Culture... Circa 2040 I reckon... Ill be 86.
The so-called "Driverless future" raises all sorts of interesting points, leaving aside the increasing slide towards abrogation of (driver) responsibility.
Will people need Driver licenses?
insurance? Under a strict liability system, who is at fault in a collision involving autonomous vehicles?
Probably one of the biggest "issues" to come out of this concerns Fine revenue. I'm guessing that autonomous vehicles will use a system of GPS/geo-location services to understand where they are, and the speed limits etc. applicable to that zone. You'd imagine, then, that they would "self-limit" so as not to exceed the speed limit in the zone they were in...?
Sounds like quite a bit of foregone revenue to me. I wonder how Governments of the future will attempt to recoup that lost/foregone revenue?
what will all those hyway patrol officer do they will be redundant
Blues Man said
07:53 AM Nov 4, 2018
dogbox wrote:
2-Smiths wrote:
palaceboy wrote:
5G is essential for Autonomous vehicles. So a step closer to a driverless future. Makes me wonder if I'll be around to see the end of the driving Grey Nomad Culture... Circa 2040 I reckon... Ill be 86.
The so-called "Driverless future" raises all sorts of interesting points, leaving aside the increasing slide towards abrogation of (driver) responsibility.
Will people need Driver licenses?
insurance? Under a strict liability system, who is at fault in a collision involving autonomous vehicles?
Probably one of the biggest "issues" to come out of this concerns Fine revenue. I'm guessing that autonomous vehicles will use a system of GPS/geo-location services to understand where they are, and the speed limits etc. applicable to that zone. You'd imagine, then, that they would "self-limit" so as not to exceed the speed limit in the zone they were in...?
Sounds like quite a bit of foregone revenue to me. I wonder how Governments of the future will attempt to recoup that lost/foregone revenue?
what will all those hyway patrol officer do they will be redundant
Firstly you may ask why I am posting about 5G phones.
In time when they are fully rolled out the speed for Data on your phone will be way faster than the NBN if that is ever finished. So 5G will benefit the grey nomad.
Main point I am raising, the Australian Govt in their wisdom preclude Huwei from being involved in the 5G network because of "Security" concerns. Huwei are one of the worlds top designer and builders of Telco products in the World. Only the USA and Australia won't use Huwei.
Telstra have gone with Ericson a Swedish Company.
If you dig about just a little it appears that lo and behold the majority of Ericson's products are manufactured by... Subsidiary companies of Huwei in China.
Source CNET.
I think I might hang out for 5G to be up and running then replace my Galaxy 6, 4G.
-- Edited by Dougwe on Wednesday 31st of October 2018 08:09:29 PM
Take very good care of your Galaxy 6. It may have to last for a long time if you want 5G with reasonable coverage.
The issues that come with the high frequencies of 5G are already reportedly, forcing the 'first to market' providers to look lower down the frequency spectrum with the accompanying loss of speed & data capacity.
ie 5G has very low (distance) coverage.
I too don't trust the Chinese manufacturers .. but then I'm not a fan of Silicon Valley or the Russians either .. Am I paranoid or what?
I have to admit that I am not that tech savy when it comes to mobile phones or their networks. I bought an iphone 6 and I chose to use Telstra prepaid to run it - when we are at home I probably use my phone a couple of times a week. When travelling we also have a Telstra prepaid modem that we use along with our ipad for the internet even to make the odd voice or video calls via Facebook Messenger. My question is how does moving to this new 5G technology really affect light users like me as it all seems to work quite well on 4G ? As far as Huwei and Erickson mobile phones are concerned I have never heard of one brand and never owned the other so that proves when it comes to phones just how much knowledge or interest I have in them
Cheers
BB
The so-called "Driverless future" raises all sorts of interesting points, leaving aside the increasing slide towards abrogation of (driver) responsibility.
Will people need Driver licenses?
insurance? Under a strict liability system, who is at fault in a collision involving autonomous vehicles?
Probably one of the biggest "issues" to come out of this concerns Fine revenue. I'm guessing that autonomous vehicles will use a system of GPS/geo-location services to understand where they are, and the speed limits etc. applicable to that zone. You'd imagine, then, that they would "self-limit" so as not to exceed the speed limit in the zone they were in...?
Sounds like quite a bit of foregone revenue to me. I wonder how Governments of the future will attempt to recoup that lost/foregone revenue?
I believe that 5G trial is happening right now on the Gold Coast although no reports seem to be around about how it's working.
I like Cupies post '"Not a fan of....
Personally I don't trust any of them.
First Apple designed updates that made your iPhone slower so you would upgrade. Windows 10 had software to track every keystroke so they could crack down on Piracy so they said. We find out that the NSA in the States, Australia at Pine Gap and the Brits at Fylingdales record every phone call. All because of 9/11.
Funny all those places existed long before 9/11.
Phone companies introduce fingerprint recognition to their phones, tablets and PC's. Now it's facial recognition. Track your phone so if you lose it?
Software from Russia that remembers all your passwords for you. Do you trust the Russians?
Now miniature GPS sensors that can track anything anywhere. I can see a use for that. Place them in your Van or Motor Home or tug and if your vehicle is stolen you can track it's every move.
Software on your phone that can be put in your kids phones to tell you where they are, if they are driving, if the are speeding. Next will be an App and hardware on your phone that won't allow the car to start if it senses alcohol, or is that already here?
This is the stuff George Orwell wrote about sixty years ago. 1984 Big Brother stuff of nightmares.
Conspiracy theorists Bonanaza. Lol
Glad I'm an oldie and won't see where we are going.
-- Edited by Yuglamron on Thursday 1st of November 2018 10:10:25 AM
George Orwell saw that coming years ago. Gonna get worse too.
Look up the internet on how 5G works.Good in town but it will be crap in the country.
Lots of people in USA already complaining about it.
Lets see what happens in the coming years.
mixo
It probably not be worth the expense of upgrading. Currently, you may find that 3G is all you need. 3G will carry all the video you watch without stuttering. Unless you are downloading mega size files (like downloading very large programmes) you only have to wait a few minutes to download on 3G. If you only have 3G now is it worth upgrading up to 4G? If you are using a computer with an older Wi-Fi adaptor then that may be the limiting factor and you will not get the full benefit of 4G. In the future you may need to update your computer to get any benefit from 5G, you will have to suss out the maximum transfer rate of your Wi-Fi to check if you will get any benefit from the newer wireless modem.
I will not be racing out to get a new modem. I will wait until the present one fails.
Hi BB
My advice, after some discussion with persons who do know is do not worry about it as it is not happening here for quite a while. The current discussion is mostly BS and there are no hard plans to roll it out in the near future. The problems are not even solved yet let alone the hardware or even the standards for it.
The spin merchants are just softening up the gullibile punters to get them salivating like the Iphone buyers do for new stuff. The time frame for 5G out of the cities is forever.
Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Saturday 3rd of November 2018 08:47:04 PM
what will all those hyway patrol officer do they will be redundant
Hopefully they will all be out catching baddies .