Yes, a great product Kooka, been using it in my water tanks for years.
Kooka said
02:29 PM Sep 18, 2018
Chlorine residual tastes terrible!!
And smells!
Did you read the info on the website?
Kooka
Mike Harding said
03:04 PM Sep 18, 2018
Kooka wrote:
Chlorine residual tastes terrible!!
And smells!
It's used to purify most of the drinking water on the planet and has been for many decades.
Peter_n_Margaret said
03:10 PM Sep 18, 2018
Kooka wrote:
Chlorine residual tastes terrible!!
And smells!
We add chlorine to all the water we put into our tanks from all sources.
Then we pass it through a 1um or 0.5ub active carbon filter before drinking.
That removes any residual chlorine (which in any case breaks down and disapears rapidly).
99% of drinking water in Australia is treated with chlorine. It is the most effective and most economical way to make water biologically safe.
Cheers,
Peter
Kooka said
03:28 PM Sep 18, 2018
Chlorine is a poison.
From Google:
Increased Risk of Cancer. ...
Hazardous for Your Children's Health. ...
Cell Damage. ...
Increases the Risk of Asthma. ...
Results in Heart Problems. ...
Bad Taste and Odor.
A small amount of poison is a better risk than Cryptosporum and Giardia in the water.
Same with fluoride.
If you don't like the idea of H2O2 after reading the blurb - don't buy it!
IMHO the water is sweet and fine compared with chlorine products. I know of a very
prominent bottled water supplier that uses H2O2 in huge quantities. No chlorine.
Kooka
elliemike said
04:03 PM Sep 18, 2018
Did any one see this War On Waste episode about water.
I worked in the food processing industry. I remember (20 years ago) one of our Micro Biologists being asked, Would not Bottled water be better than the Town Supply for our product. He answered that it did not come up to the standard required by the food industry.
This is just a 3 minute snippet.
Mike Harding said
04:39 PM Sep 18, 2018
Kooka wrote:
Chlorine is a poison.
Ah ha! You're a zealot. Now I understand :)
Peter_n_Margaret said
04:47 PM Sep 18, 2018
Mike Harding wrote:
Kooka wrote:
Chlorine is a poison.
Ah ha! You're a zealot. Now I understand :)
That makes two :)
Cheers,
Peter
aussie_paul said
04:51 PM Sep 18, 2018
Most medicines can be poisonous, and most poisons can be medicines. Just depends on dose doesn't it?
Aussie Paul.
-- Edited by aussie_paul on Tuesday 18th of September 2018 05:57:28 PM
Mike Harding said
05:29 PM Sep 18, 2018
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
Mike Harding wrote:
Kooka wrote:
Chlorine is a poison.
Ah ha! You're a zealot. Now I understand :)
That makes two :)
Cheers,
Peter
What, you too Peter?
And I thought you were a chlorine man.
Ger08 said
08:12 PM Sep 18, 2018
No way I would putting that stuff in my tanks
Kooka said
08:21 PM Sep 18, 2018
Everybody to his own.
No call for the abuse - just prefer the H2O2.
Measure of the man.
You do whatever you like - only offered the H2O2 as an alternative.
Thousands use it.
Kooka
kesa32 said
09:01 PM Sep 18, 2018
UV works well also , with sediment filtering prior , and fine carbon filtering after uv treatment , we've been using this type of system at home for years for our tank water
As a side note our son used a portable " camelbak" 1 litre uv unit when he did Kokoda and worked well , my daughter took same unit to Vietnam and no worries there too .... seems to do the trick :)
-- Edited by kesa32 on Tuesday 18th of September 2018 09:03:38 PM
The Travelling Dillberries said
09:04 PM Sep 18, 2018
kesa32 wrote:
UV works well also , with sediment filtering priort , and fine carbon filtering after uv treatment As a side note our son used a portable " camelbak" 1 litre uv unit when he did Kokoda and worked well , my daughter took same unit to Vietnam and no worries there too .... seems to do the trick
Wow Kesa, and they didn't add Chlorine, simply amazing situation, unbelievable in fact!!
Warren-Pat_01 said
10:31 PM Sep 18, 2018
There is another option if we don't use these "poisons" eg chlorine & fluoride in the way that we're instructed to for our continuing good health. It is not pleasant & this forum would be down one or more members!
I saw that Kooka's company recommends it for rain water tanks!
I lived in Adelaide for 21 years, Ceduna for 15 & only drank rain water - UNTREATED! The tap water was terrible! The biggest hazard we faced at Ceduna was mice (in the mice plagues) getting in the tanks, forcing us to empty the water. When I moved to Darwin in the late 60s, the tap water was not treated but someone with "brains" decided that birds could poop in the water & it had to be chlorinated. So they added chlorine (by the ton we thought) to clean out the pipes, etc - you could smell a running tap from 10m away!!
What happened to the old solution of adding raspberry cordial to the caravan tanks?
Kooka said
07:07 AM Sep 19, 2018
Just for the record, Kooka has absolutely no affiliation, association or financial involvement with
any Company whatsoever.
Calling me a zealot is over the top.
How detractors can be so critical of a post that was offered in good faith as an information for fellow travellers
for their consideration escapes me.
Like I said - if you don't like it, don't use it! But don't pass insinuations about the poster.
i have a lot of experience about 'vanning which I was anxious to impart - but I'm afraid that I can see that
it is a waste of time, you two.
Having been warned about these forums, I now see that the warnings were not misplaced so for peace
of mind, that's it for me. I will in future glean from you and give naught in return.
I will PM those to whom I think that I can contribute.
Kooka
-- Edited by Kooka on Wednesday 19th of September 2018 07:31:17 AM
rockylizard said
08:11 AM Sep 19, 2018
Gday...
Don't fret kooka (I don't know ya name coz you fail to provide it) but all interactions between folk will elicit other's opinions which, most often, will be as strongly rooted as your own.
Hang in there, give this mob some time and you will find the 95% of us are almost human and often respond with our own opinions from experience.
Ya'll git used to us.
I offer the following -
opinion
1. a belief or judgment based on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. 2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal. 3. the formal expression of a professional judgment. 4. the formal statement by a judge or court of the principles used in reaching a decision on a case. 5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.
opinionated
Holding stubbornly and often unreasonably to one's own opinions.
Cheers - OH and welcome to the forum - it's been an interesting week - John
kesa32 said
08:28 AM Sep 19, 2018
The Travelling Dillberries wrote:
kesa32 wrote:
UV works well also , with sediment filtering priort , and fine carbon filtering after uv treatment As a side note our son used a portable " camelbak" 1 litre uv unit when he did Kokoda and worked well , my daughter took same unit to Vietnam and no worries there too .... seems to do the trick
Wow Kesa, and they didn't add Chlorine, simply amazing situation, unbelievable in fact!!
Here's an example to help you understand https://ww2.health.wa.gov.au/Articles/U_Z/Ultraviolet-disinfection-of-drinking-water
Peter_n_Margaret said
08:40 AM Sep 19, 2018
Ultraviolet is a viable method of making water biologically safe, but the power consumption required is typically too much for most RV situations. Reverse osmosis has the same draw back.
Many other chemical biological controls work too.
Chlorine treatment is the most common method world wide and is very cheap and very effective.
Most methods benefit from final filtering using fine active carbon filtration.
Cheers,
Peter
kesa32 said
08:55 AM Sep 19, 2018
Cheers Peter , yes they have to be left on 24/7 for longevity of the globes in a home sized system , ours runs a 14w uv globe Agree chlorine is a cheap viable solution for killing the nasties and dissipates quickly , was just putting uv out there as another solution :)
Forgot to to add , our home system is an under sink triple filter job and serves just one standalone tap for drinking water
A full size complete home system is obviously much larger
-- Edited by kesa32 on Wednesday 19th of September 2018 09:56:16 AM
-- Edited by kesa32 on Wednesday 19th of September 2018 09:57:45 AM
Mike Harding said
09:25 AM Sep 19, 2018
Indeed UV is used in some areas for tap water purification a friend who works in the water industry informs me.
The major problem with UV for our application as I see it is:
1 - Power consumption, as Peter mentioned
2 - It really needs very well filtered water to give the UV a chance of getting to all the bugs. Given that e-coli is 0.5um long and viruses may be only 25nm they don't need much particulate in order to be hidden from the UV. I see UV as being really useful for things such as Asian tap water purifying.
Chlorine is still, by far, the best way to kill most bugs (NB. although not Cryptosporidium and Giardia) and both the scientific evidence and common sense experience over more than 100 years support this assertion.
Grandad5 said
09:30 AM Sep 19, 2018
Thank you Kooka, I've bookmarked the site for further reading.
I'm always interested in alternatives to Chlorine.
This one sounds promising.
Thank you for posting
Jim
Peter_n_Margaret said
10:21 AM Sep 19, 2018
kesa32 wrote:
Agree chlorine is a cheap viable solution for killing the nasties and dissipates quickly , was just putting uv out there as another solution :)
Yes, chlorine breaks down and disappears quite quickly, that is a plus, but also a down side because after it has broken down, the protection ceases.
The rate of break down is increased with poorer quality water and with higher temperatures. The water in RV water tanks can become quite warm in many situations and that provides a great breeding ground for nasties, especially when there is any contamination in the water and even in complete darkness.
We always re dose our water with a full compliment of new chlorine any time we pick up water and use extra chlorine if the water is at all suspect. Essentially, if you can not detect any chlorine by smell, there is probably not enough left, because it has all gone.
For those that think bugs will not grow in water in the dark, on at least 2 occasions the mid north of SA and the Peninsulas have had contaminated water emergencies with their piped drinking water in the summer when bugs have grown in the pipes between the Morgan chlorination and pumping station on the river Murray and the towns that use that water along the way. The authorities increase the chlorination concentration in summer to prevent this.
A good active carbon filter will remove any remaining chlorine (and lots of other stuff) after the pump and before the taps. They provide good tasting, safe water.
Cheers,
Peter
Kisha said
05:02 PM Sep 19, 2018
Hi Kooka thank you for your original post which I am sure many enjoyed just as I did. I am very much into the health scene, and like to be aware of what I consume, I also believe how we live and what we consume on the inside shows on the outside. I agree with what you said in your last Post, its been going on for as long as I have been a member. Thanks again, and I would be happy to see future posts from you should you be prepared to submit. Take care and enjoy what life has to offer, and avoid like the plague the other lol . Always with a smile.....Kisha
Cyclops said
07:14 PM Sep 19, 2018
Hi Kooka, thanks for the post. Hydrogen peroxide is also great for cleaning your ears. 2 mils in an eye dropper or in this case ear dropper, dissolves wax and is safer than digging into your head with foreign objects. It crackles and bubbles as it dissolves gunk.
Pete
oldbloke said
07:59 AM Sep 20, 2018
Chlorine is a poison.
So is salt if you consume too much, but you can't live without it.
Santa said
10:25 AM Sep 20, 2018
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
kesa32 wrote:
Agree chlorine is a cheap viable solution for killing the nasties and dissipates quickly , was just putting uv out there as another solution :)
For those that think bugs will not grow in water in the dark, on at least 2 occasions the mid north of SA and the Peninsulas have had contaminated water emergencies with their piped drinking water in the summer when bugs have grown in the pipes between the Morgan chlorination and pumping station on the river Murray and the towns that use that water along the way. Peter
Can you provide some fact to back this up Peter, I do have a recollection of something in the very distant past, however can find nothing of relevance online.
As a matter of interest York Peninsula is provided with water via a pipe line from Swan Reach to Stockwell, not Morgan, completed around 1970.
It does get a little tiring hearing horror stories re SA water related by visitors, that for some reason South Australian residents don't seem to experience.
Peter_n_Margaret said
11:24 AM Sep 20, 2018
Santa wrote:
.. I do have a recollection of something in the very distant past, however can find nothing of relevance online.
Maybe my memory is better than yours?
It was definitely the Morgan-Whyalla line that had the problem and on at least 2 occasions.
My best find in years!
Being a nomad in every sense of the word, I have to fill up from some very ordinary (and sometimes questionable)
water sources, I have tried just about every type of water purifier on the market. Sometimes with less than
desirable results!
This stuff is water with an additional oxygen molecule that "eats up" any organic material in or dissolved in your water.
My bride is a tea critic and taster
and demands her tea from bottled water.
Since discovering this stuff, we not only don't need bottled for tea but we now fill empty purchased water bottles
direct from our tanks to the fridge for drinking. Never could do that before. even removes the "swampy" smell
of some outback supplies.
I squirt about 10mls into the filler hole then follow with the water. If a really bad smelly area or out of a river
about 20mls.
Makes sweet, odour free water in a few minutes. And is positively harmless. And has silver in it to keep your
filter sanitised. Never bothered with test strips - buy a 5 L bottle and share with your friends. 5000 ml in
10 ml treatments will see us all out!!!
Keep the big bottle in the fridge at home and just take a small
amount on each trip. you can get a cheap syringe for measuring or just give it a good squirt from a squeeze
bottle like the ones that have Tomato sauce and has a screw down lid. It's harmless even in much larger
concentrations than anything you are likely to use.
https://www.mywaterfilter.com.au/hydrosil-ultra-silver-stabilised-hydrogen-peroxide-water-purification-78.html
Kooka
May I suggest more research?
Chlorine has been used for water purification for many years and appears to do the job.
A brief Google reveals the following:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AWater_purification#Hydrogen_peroxide_as_a_drinking_water_disinfectant
https://iaspub.epa.gov/tdb/pages/treatment/treatmentOverview.do?treatmentProcessId=-1234021623
Yes, a great product Kooka, been using it in my water tanks for years.
Chlorine residual tastes terrible!!
And smells!
Did you read the info on the website?
Kooka
It's used to purify most of the drinking water on the planet and has been for many decades.
We add chlorine to all the water we put into our tanks from all sources.
Then we pass it through a 1um or 0.5ub active carbon filter before drinking.
That removes any residual chlorine (which in any case breaks down and disapears rapidly).
99% of drinking water in Australia is treated with chlorine. It is the most effective and most economical way to make water biologically safe.
Cheers,
Peter
A small amount of poison is a better risk than Cryptosporum and Giardia in the water.
Same with fluoride.
If you don't like the idea of H2O2 after reading the blurb - don't buy it!
IMHO the water is sweet and fine compared with chlorine products. I know of a very
prominent bottled water supplier that uses H2O2 in huge quantities. No chlorine.
Kooka
Did any one see this War On Waste episode about water.
I worked in the food processing industry. I remember (20 years ago) one of our Micro Biologists being asked, Would not Bottled water be better than the Town Supply for our product. He answered that it did not come up to the standard required by the food industry.
This is just a 3 minute snippet.
Ah ha! You're a zealot. Now I understand :)
That makes two :)
Cheers,
Peter
Most medicines can be poisonous, and most poisons can be medicines. Just depends on dose doesn't it?
Aussie Paul.
-- Edited by aussie_paul on Tuesday 18th of September 2018 05:57:28 PM
What, you too Peter?
And I thought you were a chlorine man.
Everybody to his own.
No call for the abuse - just prefer the H2O2.
Measure of the man.
You do whatever you like - only offered the H2O2 as an alternative.
Thousands use it.
Kooka
UV works well also , with sediment filtering prior , and fine carbon filtering after uv treatment , we've been using this type of system at home for years for our tank water
As a side note our son used a portable " camelbak" 1 litre uv unit when he did Kokoda and worked well , my daughter took same unit to Vietnam and no worries there too .... seems to do the trick :)
-- Edited by kesa32 on Tuesday 18th of September 2018 09:03:38 PM
Wow Kesa, and they didn't add Chlorine, simply amazing situation, unbelievable in fact!!
I saw that Kooka's company recommends it for rain water tanks!
I lived in Adelaide for 21 years, Ceduna for 15 & only drank rain water - UNTREATED! The tap water was terrible! The biggest hazard we faced at Ceduna was mice (in the mice plagues) getting in the tanks, forcing us to empty the water. When I moved to Darwin in the late 60s, the tap water was not treated but someone with "brains" decided that birds could poop in the water & it had to be chlorinated. So they added chlorine (by the ton we thought) to clean out the pipes, etc - you could smell a running tap from 10m away!!
What happened to the old solution of adding raspberry cordial to the caravan tanks?
Just for the record, Kooka has absolutely no affiliation, association or financial involvement with
any Company whatsoever.
Calling me a zealot is over the top.
How detractors can be so critical of a post that was offered in good faith as an information for fellow travellers
for their consideration escapes me.
Like I said - if you don't like it, don't use it! But don't pass insinuations about the poster.
i have a lot of experience about 'vanning which I was anxious to impart - but I'm afraid that I can see that
it is a waste of time, you two.
Having been warned about these forums, I now see that the warnings were not misplaced so for peace
of mind, that's it for me. I will in future glean from you and give naught in return.
I will PM those to whom I think that I can contribute.
Kooka
-- Edited by Kooka on Wednesday 19th of September 2018 07:31:17 AM
Gday...
Don't fret kooka (I don't know ya name coz you fail to provide it) but all interactions between folk will elicit other's opinions which, most often, will be as strongly rooted as your own.
Hang in there, give this mob some time and you will find the 95% of us are almost human and often respond with our own opinions from experience.
Ya'll git used to us.
I offer the following -
opinion
1. a belief or judgment based on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment.
4. the formal statement by a judge or court of the principles used in reaching a decision on a case.
5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.
opinionated
Holding stubbornly and often unreasonably to one's own opinions.
Cheers - OH and welcome to the forum - it's been an interesting week - John
Here's an example to help you understand https://ww2.health.wa.gov.au/Articles/U_Z/Ultraviolet-disinfection-of-drinking-water
Many other chemical biological controls work too.
Chlorine treatment is the most common method world wide and is very cheap and very effective.
Most methods benefit from final filtering using fine active carbon filtration.
Cheers,
Peter
Cheers Peter , yes they have to be left on 24/7 for longevity of the globes in a home sized system , ours runs a 14w uv globe
Agree chlorine is a cheap viable solution for killing the nasties and dissipates quickly , was just putting uv out there as another solution :)
Forgot to to add , our home system is an under sink triple filter job and serves just one standalone tap for drinking water
A full size complete home system is obviously much larger
-- Edited by kesa32 on Wednesday 19th of September 2018 09:56:16 AM
-- Edited by kesa32 on Wednesday 19th of September 2018 09:57:45 AM
Indeed UV is used in some areas for tap water purification a friend who works in the water industry informs me.
The major problem with UV for our application as I see it is:
1 - Power consumption, as Peter mentioned
2 - It really needs very well filtered water to give the UV a chance of getting to all the bugs. Given that e-coli is 0.5um long and viruses may be only 25nm they don't need much particulate in order to be hidden from the UV. I see UV as being really useful for things such as Asian tap water purifying.
Chlorine is still, by far, the best way to kill most bugs (NB. although not Cryptosporidium and Giardia) and both the scientific evidence and common sense experience over more than 100 years support this assertion.
I'm always interested in alternatives to Chlorine.
This one sounds promising.
Thank you for posting
Jim
Yes, chlorine breaks down and disappears quite quickly, that is a plus, but also a down side because after it has broken down, the protection ceases.
The rate of break down is increased with poorer quality water and with higher temperatures. The water in RV water tanks can become quite warm in many situations and that provides a great breeding ground for nasties, especially when there is any contamination in the water and even in complete darkness.
We always re dose our water with a full compliment of new chlorine any time we pick up water and use extra chlorine if the water is at all suspect. Essentially, if you can not detect any chlorine by smell, there is probably not enough left, because it has all gone.
For those that think bugs will not grow in water in the dark, on at least 2 occasions the mid north of SA and the Peninsulas have had contaminated water emergencies with their piped drinking water in the summer when bugs have grown in the pipes between the Morgan chlorination and pumping station on the river Murray and the towns that use that water along the way. The authorities increase the chlorination concentration in summer to prevent this.
A good active carbon filter will remove any remaining chlorine (and lots of other stuff) after the pump and before the taps. They provide good tasting, safe water.
Cheers,
Peter
Hi Kooka thank you for your original post which I am sure many enjoyed just as I did. I am very much into the health scene, and like to be aware of what I consume, I also believe how we live and what we consume on the inside shows on the outside. I agree with what you said in your last Post, its been going on for as long as I have been a member. Thanks again, and I would be happy to see future posts from you should you be prepared to submit. Take care and enjoy what life has to offer, and avoid like the plague the other lol
. Always with a smile.....Kisha
Pete
So is salt if you consume too much, but you can't live without it.
Can you provide some fact to back this up Peter, I do have a recollection of something in the very distant past, however can find nothing of relevance online.
As a matter of interest York Peninsula is provided with water via a pipe line from Swan Reach to Stockwell, not Morgan, completed around 1970.
It does get a little tiring hearing horror stories re SA water related by visitors, that for some reason South Australian residents don't seem to experience.
Maybe my memory is better than yours?
It was definitely the Morgan-Whyalla line that had the problem and on at least 2 occasions.
Cheers,
Peter