A couple of strange looking rigs and a couple of well, nice looking rigs there Rocky.
I love a good Chinese feed so wonder if they come with a free feed voucher
Bas + Eve said
08:30 AM Jul 14, 2018
A good book to read The silent Invasion The Chinese influence in Australia by Clive Hamilton. Proof of what most of us suspected....only worse!
mezza56 said
09:09 AM Jul 14, 2018
I dont really think chinese or not comes into the picture , its whether or not the quality is in the product . From what I read on this and other forums theres a hell of a lot of Aust made lemons out there, made and sold by unscrupulous aussies . The only downside as I see it is loss of local jobs. But it is now a global economy ! Sink or swim .
dogbox said
10:13 AM Jul 14, 2018
mezza56 wrote:
I dont really think chinese or not comes into the picture , its whether or not the quality is in the product . From what I read on this and other forums theres a hell of a lot of Aust made lemons out there, made and sold by unscrupulous aussies . The only downside as I see it is loss of local jobs. But it is now a global economy ! Sink or swim .
the quality of the imported Chinese campers and caravans is improving all the time being fitted out with the same fixtures and appliances as the aussie built ones I suppose it is like the jap crap we use to get in the 50-60's it just kepts getting better
Cupie said
11:26 AM Jul 14, 2018
dogbox wrote:
mezza56 wrote:
I dont really think chinese or not comes into the picture , its whether or not the quality is in the product . From what I read on this and other forums theres a hell of a lot of Aust made lemons out there, made and sold by unscrupulous aussies . The only downside as I see it is loss of local jobs. But it is now a global economy ! Sink or swim .
the quality of the imported Chinese campers and caravans is improving all the time being fitted out with the same fixtures and appliances as the aussie built ones I suppose it is like the jap crap we use to get in the 50-60's it just kepts getting better
What started off as Jap crap, came under the post war guidance of quality gurus like Demming. 'Made in Japan' eventually became an indicator of quality. Will China eventually go that way?
I know several Au producers who design product & have it manufactured, sometimes in their co-owned China factories, under their strict supervision. Lots of pitfalls for those following that route though.
Warren-Pat_01 said
12:18 PM Jul 14, 2018
That XT12 is being offered in Townsville.
I did hear that "Chinese vans are built there & assembled, then disassembled for freight savings & reassembled in Australia". Does this mean they are worn out before they are sold (screw holes, etc)??
For any nomads who may be in Townsville & are concerned about the Chinese influence, there is an excellent letter to the editor of the Townsville Bulletin yesterday - written by Debra Gibson of the Pinnacles. A number of people would like to see Debra take up politics - but she's in her early 70s.
It was in response to one written & published the previous day by a "die-hard" Liberal supporter.
Bulariver said
12:43 PM Jul 14, 2018
More Chinese junk ready to add to our garbage tips in just a few years! I wouldn't dare take that XT 12 off the bitumen! But then you get what you pay for and I agree some of our local manufacturers need to improve their product and warranty service.
Desert Dweller said
01:18 PM Jul 14, 2018
They can't be any worse than the crap that's manufactured in Australia.
Cupie said
01:41 PM Jul 14, 2018
Warren-Pat_01 wrote:
That XT12 is being offered in Townsville. I did hear that "Chinese vans are built there & assembled, then disassembled for freight savings & reassembled in Australia". Does this mean they are worn out before they are sold (screw holes, etc)??
For any nomads who may be in Townsville & are concerned about the Chinese influence, there is an excellent letter to the editor of the Townsville Bulletin yesterday - written by Debra Gibson of the Pinnacles. A number of people would like to see Debra take up politics - but she's in her early 70s.
It was in response to one written & published the previous day by a "die-hard" Liberal supporter.
My Daughter purchased a China made Au assembled camper trailer. It certainly looks the goods & has the support of a long term Au CT manufacturer.
So far so good.
Ger08 said
06:43 PM Jul 14, 2018
We have a Chinese made camper and don5 have any problems with it. The so called Australian manufactures need to wake to themselves or they will go the way of Holden, Toyota and Ford
Phillipn said
06:53 PM Jul 14, 2018
Ger08 wrote:
We have a Chinese made camper and don5 have any problems with it. The so called Australian manufactures need to wake to themselves or they will go the way of Holden, Toyota and Ford
We have an Australian built van, if we were to get a new van it most certainly would NOT be a Chinese heap of sh!t.
Warren-Pat_01 said
07:09 PM Jul 14, 2018
Our first camper-trailer was bought from a bloke who ran an earthmoving business at Mareeba (he was later up on a murder charge but escaped - killed a bloke with a back hoe).
He got into the business of hiring camper trailers out to people wanting to do the Cape & was offering to sell "used units". He said he never had any returned that needed fixing.
We hired one for a weekend at Lake Tinaroo & were impressed with the ventilation (for the tropics) & size of the tent.
When I went back to buy a used one, he said he'd sold the business but would sell us a trailer, a new tent (was made in Ipswich & was good quality) & give me the plans.
Pat bought me a welder for my birthday & both it & a battery drill paid for themselves. All worked well & we had a fairly cheap trailer (about $5000 complete).
The trailer was made in China & had a few short comings -
1. the tray was narrow & not quite as high as Aussie ones but it still had a full QS bed (the sides had wings to make it the full 5' wide).
2. the suspension had heavy slipper springs
3. changing the wheel bearings (if ever they failed - heavy parallel rollers) was difficult without an internal cutter (some imported hubs bought from suppliers are similar now).
4. there was no Aussie wheel that could match the Chinese ones - went to a wrecker & found an odd ball one that I could use as a spare.
The trailer's pros -
1. it was almost impossible to break with a single drawbar & bolted connections instead of welds that could crack.
2. it had a full sized table that slid out on Teflon runners - enabling everything to be accessed easily.
3. it was cheap & interesting to build up myself.
4. it went everywhere my car could go.
5. when my Patrol's brakes failed at White Cliffs through no known reason, I was able to use the trailer's brakes to get us "safely" to Emerald - where they after finding no fault, just changed the master cylinder - all ok after!
I use my first bonus from work when I sold my soul to going on a contract (no RDOs, no overtime) to the "Big T" to replace the wheels & axle & add electric brakes (after an interesting trip down Clyde Mountain).
Umpie1 said
07:16 AM Jul 15, 2018
Remember the time when the Japanese cars started appearing with "extras" asd standard equipment, electric wipers, car radio, heaters just to mention a few. It took the Aussie car manufacturers some time to catch up. Perhaps the Aussie RV manufacturers may get a kick up the rear.
The Belmont Bear said
10:58 AM Jul 15, 2018
Dont kid yourselves that the Chinese products are inferior to our own they have been manufacturing and exporting technology to other parts of the world for thousands of years. Like the Japanese did after WW2 (with the help of people like Dr Demming) they are in the process of modernising their industry and the quality is going to continually get better. I can also remember the jokes about things coming out of Japan in the 60s - I dont hear too many people making those sort of negative comments now. It was only a short time ago that the Koreans were also copping it about quality yet KIA were the only manufacturers offering a 7 year unlimited warranty on all their vehicles. You are right if our Aussie manufactures dont get their act together and ensure that the quality of a locally built van is spot on then we will lose another of our industries to someone who will.
Cheers
BB
-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Sunday 15th of July 2018 10:59:19 AM
Bulariver said
05:16 PM Jul 15, 2018
Desert Dweller wrote:
They can't be any worse than the crap that's manufactured in Australia.
Well I think they certainly can be worse that the good vans - there are still plenty of good caravan manufacturers in Aus - we are very happy with our 4 year old River with control rider suspension. The Chinese imports may look good but what will they be like in 4 years? Would you travel in a Chinese airliner (If they made them!).
laurieoz said
07:01 PM Jul 15, 2018
They have made the C919
The Belmont Bear said
09:12 PM Jul 15, 2018
I hate to break it to you bulariver but not only do they build and sell planes they were the 3rd country to put a man into space back in 2003. If we were ever silly enough to get into a war with them I wouldnt be putting all my hopes on the belief that their equipment is going to fail
Cheers
BB
-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Sunday 15th of July 2018 09:13:32 PM
dogbox said
09:16 PM Jul 15, 2018
laurieoz wrote:
They have made the C919
can't recall hearing of any of them crashing
Bulariver said
08:29 AM Jul 17, 2018
The Belmont Bear wrote:
I hate to break it to you bulariver but not only do they build and sell planes they were the 3rd country to put a man into space back in 2003. If we were ever silly enough to get into a war with them I wouldnt be putting all my hopes on the belief that their equipment is going to fail
Cheers
BB
-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Sunday 15th of July 2018 09:13:32 PM
BB were that to be the case, you would have to ask why they are buying hundreds of Airbus aircraft. You wouldn't see me on a C919! Ego requiem mean causa. Bula
The Belmont Bear said
12:58 PM Jul 17, 2018
Bula why didnt you just write I rest my case I dont know too many people that can actually speak Latin ? To answer your question - because the C919s dont come into service until 2020 - all the Chinese operators have ordered them to replace their current Boeing and Airbus medium haul fleets. I have a strong suspicion that they have probably borrowed at least some of the technology from the likes of Boeing or Airbus anyhow.
BB
Cupie said
01:30 PM Jul 17, 2018
The Belmont Bear wrote:
Bula why didn't you just write I rest my case I don't know too many people that can actually speak Latin? To answer your question - because the C919s don't come into service until 2020 - all the Chinese operators have ordered them to replace their current Boeing and Airbus medium haul fleets. I have a strong suspicion that they have probably borrowed at least some of the technology from the likes of Boeing or Airbus anyhow.
BB
And that is one of the reasons that 'Chump' is off on his trade wars tirade. He should be using gun boats. That worked last time.
Stealing trade secrets is the modern Chinese way, abandoning their glorious history of invention and discovery.
Gday...
Read about it here
Cheers - John
A couple of strange looking rigs and a couple of well, nice looking rigs there Rocky.
I love a good Chinese feed so wonder if they come with a free feed voucher
the quality of the imported Chinese campers and caravans is improving all the time being fitted out with the same fixtures and appliances as the aussie built ones I suppose it is like the jap crap we use to get in the 50-60's it just kepts getting better
What started off as Jap crap, came under the post war guidance of quality gurus like Demming. 'Made in Japan' eventually became an indicator of quality. Will China eventually go that way?
I know several Au producers who design product & have it manufactured, sometimes in their co-owned China factories, under their strict supervision. Lots of pitfalls for those following that route though.
I did hear that "Chinese vans are built there & assembled, then disassembled for freight savings & reassembled in Australia". Does this mean they are worn out before they are sold (screw holes, etc)??
For any nomads who may be in Townsville & are concerned about the Chinese influence, there is an excellent letter to the editor of the Townsville Bulletin yesterday - written by Debra Gibson of the Pinnacles. A number of people would like to see Debra take up politics - but she's in her early 70s.
It was in response to one written & published the previous day by a "die-hard" Liberal supporter.
My Daughter purchased a China made Au assembled camper trailer. It certainly looks the goods & has the support of a long term Au CT manufacturer.
So far so good.
We have an Australian built van, if we were to get a new van it most certainly would NOT be a Chinese heap of sh!t.
He got into the business of hiring camper trailers out to people wanting to do the Cape & was offering to sell "used units". He said he never had any returned that needed fixing.
We hired one for a weekend at Lake Tinaroo & were impressed with the ventilation (for the tropics) & size of the tent.
When I went back to buy a used one, he said he'd sold the business but would sell us a trailer, a new tent (was made in Ipswich & was good quality) & give me the plans.
Pat bought me a welder for my birthday & both it & a battery drill paid for themselves. All worked well & we had a fairly cheap trailer (about $5000 complete).
The trailer was made in China & had a few short comings -
1. the tray was narrow & not quite as high as Aussie ones but it still had a full QS bed (the sides had wings to make it the full 5' wide).
2. the suspension had heavy slipper springs
3. changing the wheel bearings (if ever they failed - heavy parallel rollers) was difficult without an internal cutter (some imported hubs bought from suppliers are similar now).
4. there was no Aussie wheel that could match the Chinese ones - went to a wrecker & found an odd ball one that I could use as a spare.
The trailer's pros -
1. it was almost impossible to break with a single drawbar & bolted connections instead of welds that could crack.
2. it had a full sized table that slid out on Teflon runners - enabling everything to be accessed easily.
3. it was cheap & interesting to build up myself.
4. it went everywhere my car could go.
5. when my Patrol's brakes failed at White Cliffs through no known reason, I was able to use the trailer's brakes to get us "safely" to Emerald - where they after finding no fault, just changed the master cylinder - all ok after!
I use my first bonus from work when I sold my soul to going on a contract (no RDOs, no overtime) to the "Big T" to replace the wheels & axle & add electric brakes (after an interesting trip down Clyde Mountain).
Dont kid yourselves that the Chinese products are inferior to our own they have been manufacturing and exporting technology to other parts of the world for thousands of years. Like the Japanese did after WW2 (with the help of people like Dr Demming) they are in the process of modernising their industry and the quality is going to continually get better. I can also remember the jokes about things coming out of Japan in the 60s - I dont hear too many people making those sort of negative comments now. It was only a short time ago that the Koreans were also copping it about quality yet KIA were the only manufacturers offering a 7 year unlimited warranty on all their vehicles. You are right if our Aussie manufactures dont get their act together and ensure that the quality of a locally built van is spot on then we will lose another of our industries to someone who will.
Cheers
BB
-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Sunday 15th of July 2018 10:59:19 AM
Well I think they certainly can be worse that the good vans - there are still plenty of good caravan manufacturers in Aus - we are very happy with our 4 year old River with control rider suspension. The Chinese imports may look good but what will they be like in 4 years? Would you travel in a Chinese airliner (If they made them!).
I hate to break it to you bulariver but not only do they build and sell planes they were the 3rd country to put a man into space back in 2003. If we were ever silly enough to get into a war with them I wouldnt be putting all my hopes on the belief that their equipment is going to fail
Cheers
BB
-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Sunday 15th of July 2018 09:13:32 PM
can't recall hearing of any of them crashing
BB were that to be the case, you would have to ask why they are buying hundreds of Airbus aircraft. You wouldn't see me on a C919! Ego requiem mean causa. Bula
Bula why didnt you just write I rest my case I dont know too many people that can actually speak Latin ? To answer your question - because the C919s dont come into service until 2020 - all the Chinese operators have ordered them to replace their current Boeing and Airbus medium haul fleets. I have a strong suspicion that they have probably borrowed at least some of the technology from the likes of Boeing or Airbus anyhow.
BB
And that is one of the reasons that 'Chump' is off on his trade wars tirade. He should be using gun boats. That worked last time.
Stealing trade secrets is the modern Chinese way, abandoning their glorious history of invention and discovery.