I don't know about you but I just don't seem to have the sameinterest in the game today.
What with all the rule changes and time wasted between plays, when the clock should be stopped.
But!!!! it is on again tonight.
May the best team win, except of course I still have my allegiance to the
MIGHTY MAROONS.
Of course if they lose, then I will MOURN at the MAROONS performance.
Any it is just,just a game.
Jay&Dee
Aus-Kiwi said
10:56 AM Jun 24, 2018
One good part about state of origin . An Aust team will win . Unlike Rugby and cricket .,
The Belmont Bear said
10:33 PM Jun 24, 2018
JayDee wrote:
I don't know about you but I just don't seem to have the sameinterest in the game today.
What with all the rule changes and time wasted between plays, when the clock should be stopped.
But!!!! it is on again tonight.
May the best team win, except of course I still have my allegiance to the
MIGHTY MAROONS.
Of course if they lose, then I will MOURN at the MAROONS performance.
Any it is just,just a game.
Jay&Dee
Jay&Dee like most of your cane toad supporter mates you left one reason out why you have lost interest i.e. there was a very good chance that the blues may actually win a series. The maroons lost but I wouldnt mourn their performance like every game they gave it everything they had right to the full time whistle - a welcome change for all of us die hard NSW supporters we actually got one over the line.
Cheers
BB
-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Sunday 24th of June 2018 10:34:54 PM
DMaxer said
08:00 AM Jun 25, 2018
Seeing that Queensland didn't have any luck with a NSW player leading them, I wonder which State they will look to next to provide a captain.
The Belmont Bear said
08:37 AM Jun 25, 2018
Dmaxer GI was born in Kempsey and played his first senior game at 16 years for my old school here in Newcastle i.e. Hunter Sports High before moving to Brisbane to continue his career. I'm not complaining though as one of our blues players interviewed after the match sent his greetings back to his family in New Zealand - state of origin is not always a 100% true reflection of where these players originated. Personally I wouldn't want players forced into playing for a state if they weren't passionate about it otherwise the series would become just like the NRL where the biggest cheque book wins the competition each year.
Cheers
BB
Bill B said
09:39 AM Jun 25, 2018
The NSW player who got the Penalty Try will be the first member picked in the diving team for the next Olympics
Cupie said
11:10 AM Jun 25, 2018
Bill B wrote:
The NSW player who got the Penalty Try will be the first member picked in the diving team for the next Olympics
An award is deserved for the diminutive Qld half back .. perhaps the smallest player on the field .. who sent the giant NSW forward sprawling and without loosing his balance .. Wow. Can't understand how you can suggest that he took a dive. Perhaps watching too much soccer. And of course he would have gathered the ball and scored, 100% certain hey. LOL LOL
I'd like to watch that incident again but I deleted the recording.
At least I can now feel what it's like to be a NSW supporter although in truth I'm rather ambivalent about the whole thing now that the Qld greats are gone (except for Billy & perhaps that great QUEENSLANDER Greg)
BTW it is a much better game when you turn of the commentary (no Gould) .. but I do admit to yelling out more than a few obscenities .. with all the doors & windows closed to protect the neighbours.
In fairness though, NSW played a better game in the second half & deserved a win. Got to admire that grub Maloney.
We need better 3/4 ers and far more mongrel in the pack. But is DCE the answer ... not for me.
(I always have a giggle when NSW supporters claim that this or that Qld hero is in fact a NSW player, when I recall all those years before SOO when NSW would stack their interstate side with Queenslanders & flog us. Our Wally held out & didn't the NSW crowd give him heaps. I remember that when as Au Captain they booed him as he ran out on the field. It all makes it so much sweeter. Keep it up.)
Bill B said
11:21 AM Jun 25, 2018
The Qld kickers were woeful, most times kicking the ball dead on 5th tackle when attacking NSW try line.
The Belmont Bear said
11:54 AM Jun 25, 2018
Regardless of what maroon supporters like to believe the penalty try was awarded, the blues won the game and the 2018 winner has already been etched on the trophy. Whats it feel like to think that you may have copped the wrong end of a refereeing decision costing you a game or even a series - get over it the same thing has happened to us many times over the origin years (at least from our perspective )
Thats exactly why the origin games were created Cupie because people lost interest in the one sided contests where our representative sides were often playing against their own home grown products. Why do you believe that this is some sort of justified vengence when half the players in both teams probably come from country areas where the same thing happened to them ? I dont know much about the history of Qld rugby league but over the last 100 years did Qld city ever beat Qld country using country born players because if its anything like NSW I bet they did.
Cheers
BB
bill12 said
12:39 PM Jun 25, 2018
It refereeing was fair, the why wasnt Qld given a penalty try in the second half? The play up to it looked VERY similar the The NSW penalty try.....Very fair, theses games......
-- Edited by bill12 on Monday 25th of June 2018 12:40:01 PM
Dougwe said
12:46 PM Jun 25, 2018
Mmm, well done NSW.
I reckon ya's only won cos I woz not up in the tropics to help QLD on the path to victory NEXT YEAR.
DMaxer said
01:53 PM Jun 25, 2018
That is totally wrong about" NSW stacking their sides with Queenslanders and flogging Queensland", Cupie.
In 1979 Kerry Boustead played for NSW and scored 3 or 4 tries against Queensland. That was the catalyst for the State of Origin series to be suggested. In that year of 1979 there were 4 Queensland players in the NSW squad of 18 players.
Name a year when NSW had their side stacked with Queenslanders. It just did not happen. If you want to have a look at what stacking really is, take a look at the Queensland cricket sides and the players they brought from interstate and overseas as their own lot were too hopeless to win a Sheffield Shield.
The Belmont Bear said
05:57 PM Jun 25, 2018
bill12 wrote:
It refereeing was fair, the why wasnt Qld given a penalty try in the second half? The play up to it looked VERY similar the The NSW penalty try.....Very fair, theses games......
-- Edited by bill12 on Monday 25th of June 2018 12:40:01 PM
Bill12 to ask that question means that you are not familar with the rules for awarding penalty tries there was a big difference between both of these incidents. In the first case it was pretty clear that the blues player was the closest man to the ball and and without the contact with the Qld player would have got to it first. In the second incident the Qld player was also impeded but whether he could have got to the ball first even without the interference was doubtful. What I am not clear on is if both incidents were considered to be professional fouls why didnt the Qld player also have to spend 10 minutes in the sin bin even if a penalty try was given. When this happens and a penalty kick is awarded for a professional foul near the line the offending player is sent to the bin even though the other team will also get the 2 points for the conversion. As soon as you make contact with a player without the ball you are leaving yourself open to a refereeing decision and everyone knows that can go either way.
Maybe you guys need to bring back the grasshopper then you would be sure to win just like you did whenever he refereed back in the early years of origin..
BB
Cupie said
09:05 PM Jun 25, 2018
The Belmont Bear wrote:
Regardless of what maroon supporters like to believe the penalty try was awarded, the blues won the game and the 2018 winner has already been etched on the trophy. Whats it feel like to think that you may have copped the wrong end of a refereeing decision costing you a game or even a series - get over it the same thing has happened to us many times over the origin years (at least from our perspective )
Thats exactly why the origin games were created Cupie because people lost interest in the one sided contests where our representative sides were often playing against their own home grown products. Why do you believe that this is some sort of justified vengence when half the players in both teams probably come from country areas where the same thing happened to them ? I dont know much about the history of Qld rugby league but over the last 100 years did Qld city ever beat Qld country using country born players because if its anything like NSW I bet they did.
Cheers
BB
BB ...... Qld doesn't have City v Country contests. So the answer is no.
NSW City v Country games started in 1928 with the infamous Sydney centric NSW RL RESIDENTS focus. It was changed in 1987 to embrace the fairer area of Origin rules.
Results ... 1928 - 1986 City 53 Country 11, 1987 - 2017 City 16 Country 11 (appx)
Re Greg the QUEENSLANDER this is an extract from the Murdoch owned Courier Mail (2008)
The Blues' nemesis in Game II, Kempsey-born Inglis is considered the most controversial defector in State of Origin history after he pledged his allegiance to the Maroons three years ago.
That decision came despite Inglis having played his first senior game at 16 for Newcastle's Hunter Sports High.
Under Origin eligibility rules, Inglis should have declared himself a Blue, but Wade Blair insists his son did not dupe officials as part of his childhood ambition to play for the Maroons.
According to Blair, Inglis believed playing in the Arrive Alive Cup ? Australia's premier schoolboy league competition ? did not constitute a senior-level fixture.
"He was asked where he played his first senior football and to his mind he didn't think senior football meant a schoolboys game for Hunter Sports High.
"At the time (he was asked to state his allegiance), Greg was playing senior football for Norths Devils, so he put himself down for Queensland.
"He didn't think schoolboy football counted as senior football.
"It used to get to Greg a bit but he loves playing for Queensland. He's happy where he is and he's staying there."
Fresh speculation in the wake of his scintillating display in Origin II claimed the 21-year-old played his first senior game at 16 for Queensland's Wavell High, which would make him a bona fide Maroon.
But Hunter coach Steve Dunn confirmed Inglis played for the Newcastle school at 16 before being transferred to Wavell at the Storm's behest the following year.
Re the Penalty try .. I had a look at the 1981 game but had to wait till 3min from full time. Qld were ahead when Steve Rogers tackled Mal Maninger as he was about to dive on the ball over the line. Clearly a penalty try (NZ ref).
It was an interesting game to watch with things like ..
5 meters at play the ball,
contested scrums, I think that the front rowers won more ball than hookers though.
striking at the ball in play the ball,
tap forward if no marker, three point tries,
crowd ran on the field at half time & at the end.
There were three punch ups in the first 6 min & then two got sent off for 10min that sort of quietened things down a bit.
Lewis in his first Captain's game got man of the match but was throwing punches with gay abandon, would have made Gallen proud but was far less skilled at punching.
All in all a great spectacle between two teams of very hard men.
I was rather taken with Choppy Close giving Growth a backhander to get him out of the way in a play the ball before diving over at the posts for a try. Growth left the field a bit later with concussion.
Cupie said
09:11 PM Jun 25, 2018
DMaxer wrote:
That is totally wrong about" NSW stacking their sides with Queenslanders and flogging Queensland", Cupie.
In 1979 Kerry Boustead played for NSW and scored 3 or 4 tries against Queensland. That was the catalyst for the State of Origin series to be suggested. In that year of 1979 there were 4 Queensland players in the NSW squad of 18 players.
Name a year when NSW had their side stacked with Queenslanders. It just did not happen. If you want to have a look at what stacking really is, take a look at the Queensland cricket sides and the players they brought from interstate and overseas as their own lot were too hopeless to win a Sheffield Shield.
It's not so much the number but the quality ... eg. Beetson Bousted & before that people like Stirling (Toowoomba lad), Aus Winger Flannery ... need I go on & on. BTW 4 in for NSW that could have played for Qld represents an effective advantage of 8 key players.
It certainly did happen.
If I had the inclination I would produce a list of "NSW" cricketers that were imported from interstate. The fact is that Sheffield Shield rules had no SOO et al rules. I suppose all your cricket coaches were NSW too.
Edit ... Sorry forget to mention that the hopeless teams that I recall (your term not mine .. I don't think that it is an appropriate way to describe any team) were the NSW RL teams over the last decade or so.
-- Edited by Cupie on Monday 25th of June 2018 09:17:54 PM
FINAL EDIT ... That's it for me ... no more posts on this topic ..... From this point you will just be pi##ing in the wind because I won't be reading any more posts ........ Remember, It's just a game.
-- Edited by Cupie on Monday 25th of June 2018 09:21:18 PM
The Belmont Bear said
10:30 PM Jun 25, 2018
Heres one for you Cupie one of the greatest players to ever play the game i.e. Clive Churchill was born in Newcastle won five premierships with Marist Brothers Hamilton, was playing grade for Central Newcastle when he was selected for country seconds and spotted by a South Sydney talent scout. Won five premierships while playing and coaching the rabitohs, represented Australia during that era many times. Ended his career as captain coach of the Queensland team so do you want to claim him as a local product as well ?
You can have GI as he played more schoolboy games up that way than he did for us besides thats where he wanted to play. Sterlos family was tied up with the RAAF thats why he was born in Toowoomba but then he spent most of his early years growing up here in Raymond Terrace before his family was transferred to Wagga. He started his football career down there aged 14.
Years ago I went to a NSW/Qld Sheffield Shield match at the Newcastle No1 Sportsground and I was thrilled to see that famous Qld all rounder Ian Bothom belt some of the biggest 6s I have ever off bowlers like Jeff Lawson and Lenny Pascoe.
BB
-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Monday 25th of June 2018 10:31:30 PM
DMaxer said
08:02 AM Jun 26, 2018
I remember quite a few of those famous Queenslanders, BB. There was Majid Khan, Greg Chappell, Wesley Hall, Ian Botham, Sam Trimble, Jeff Thomson, Peter Clifford, Kepler Wessells, Usman Kwaija and Allan Border, just to mention a few.
I was always amazed at all their home grown talent. Must be something in the water.
Craig1 said
09:25 PM Jun 26, 2018
Didnt Sir Wes Hall play in the tied test in Brissie?, must at least make him an honorary cane toad
JayDee said
08:41 AM Jun 29, 2018
I am glad I started this thread.
Very interesting read. Whilst all football codes these days are driven by the mighty $$$$$,
I much preferred to watch the games of yesterday year where the crowd were able to enter the field and virtually carry their heroes off to the sheds. And sheds they were.
The boys had their day jobs and as such very rarely got themselves into any sort of off field wrong doings.
I would like to see Fox replay the games of yester year.
Jay&Dee
P.S.
Wes Hall did play in that test and he took
4 wickets for 140 off 29.3 overs in 1st innings ... and
5 for 63 off 17.7 overs
Back then they had a 8 ball over.
-- Edited by JayDee on Friday 29th of June 2018 08:47:33 AM
Cyclops said
04:43 PM Jun 30, 2018
Gee l miss Gorden Tallis and Sam Thaiday. I used to love to hate them in state of origin. If I met either of them in the street I would throw my arms around them and weep for the loss. There just arent any cane toads I can yell at with real enthusiasm today. Never yelled at the Slater though he is just so good. Funny, that even though I am true blue, the most memorable players in state of Origin, at least to me, are these three blokes. It is almost sad that the cane toad run ended - almost..
Pete
Ron-D said
10:34 PM Jun 30, 2018
Iam glad there run of winning looks like its over ,they slater smith Cronk Thurston no matter who they played for ,were unbeatable and spoiled the series,to a certain extent,now theres real competition....
I don't know about you but I just don't seem to have the sameinterest in the game today.
What with all the rule changes and time wasted between plays, when the clock should be stopped.
But!!!! it is on again tonight.
May the best team win, except of course I still have my allegiance to the
MIGHTY MAROONS.
Of course if they lose, then I will MOURN at the MAROONS performance.
Any it is just,just a game.
Jay&Dee
Jay&Dee like most of your cane toad supporter mates you left one reason out why you have lost interest i.e. there was a very good chance that the blues may actually win a series. The maroons lost but I wouldnt mourn their performance like every game they gave it everything they had right to the full time whistle - a welcome change for all of us die hard NSW supporters we actually got one over the line.
Cheers
BB
-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Sunday 24th of June 2018 10:34:54 PM
Seeing that Queensland didn't have any luck with a NSW player leading them, I wonder which State they will look to next to provide a captain.
Dmaxer GI was born in Kempsey and played his first senior game at 16 years for my old school here in Newcastle i.e. Hunter Sports High before moving to Brisbane to continue his career. I'm not complaining though as one of our blues players interviewed after the match sent his greetings back to his family in New Zealand - state of origin is not always a 100% true reflection of where these players originated. Personally I wouldn't want players forced into playing for a state if they weren't passionate about it otherwise the series would become just like the NRL where the biggest cheque book wins the competition each year.
Cheers
BB
An award is deserved for the diminutive Qld half back .. perhaps the smallest player on the field .. who sent the giant NSW forward sprawling and without loosing his balance .. Wow. Can't understand how you can suggest that he took a dive. Perhaps watching too much soccer. And of course he would have gathered the ball and scored, 100% certain hey. LOL LOL
I'd like to watch that incident again but I deleted the recording.
At least I can now feel what it's like to be a NSW supporter although in truth I'm rather ambivalent about the whole thing now that the Qld greats are gone (except for Billy & perhaps that great QUEENSLANDER Greg)
BTW it is a much better game when you turn of the commentary (no Gould) .. but I do admit to yelling out more than a few obscenities .. with all the doors & windows closed to protect the neighbours.
In fairness though, NSW played a better game in the second half & deserved a win. Got to admire that grub Maloney.
We need better 3/4 ers and far more mongrel in the pack. But is DCE the answer ... not for me.
(I always have a giggle when NSW supporters claim that this or that Qld hero is in fact a NSW player, when I recall all those years before SOO when NSW would stack their interstate side with Queenslanders & flog us. Our Wally held out & didn't the NSW crowd give him heaps. I remember that when as Au Captain they booed him as he ran out on the field. It all makes it so much sweeter. Keep it up.)
Regardless of what maroon supporters like to believe the penalty try was awarded, the blues won the game and the 2018 winner has already been etched on the trophy. Whats it feel like to think that you may have copped the wrong end of a refereeing decision costing you a game or even a series - get over it the same thing has happened to us many times over the origin years (at least from our perspective
)
Thats exactly why the origin games were created Cupie because people lost interest in the one sided contests where our representative sides were often playing against their own home grown products. Why do you believe that this is some sort of justified vengence when half the players in both teams probably come from country areas where the same thing happened to them ? I dont know much about the history of Qld rugby league but over the last 100 years did Qld city ever beat Qld country using country born players because if its anything like NSW I bet they did.
Cheers
BB
It refereeing was fair, the why wasnt Qld given a penalty try in the second half? The play up to it looked VERY similar the The NSW penalty try.....Very fair, theses games......
-- Edited by bill12 on Monday 25th of June 2018 12:40:01 PM
Mmm, well done NSW.
I reckon ya's only won cos I woz not up in the tropics to help QLD on the path to victory
NEXT YEAR.
That is totally wrong about" NSW stacking their sides with Queenslanders and flogging Queensland", Cupie.
In 1979 Kerry Boustead played for NSW and scored 3 or 4 tries against Queensland. That was the catalyst for the State of Origin series to be suggested. In that year of 1979 there were 4 Queensland players in the NSW squad of 18 players.
Name a year when NSW had their side stacked with Queenslanders. It just did not happen. If you want to have a look at what stacking really is, take a look at the Queensland cricket sides and the players they brought from interstate and overseas as their own lot were too hopeless to win a Sheffield Shield.
Bill12 to ask that question means that you are not familar with the rules for awarding penalty tries there was a big difference between both of these incidents. In the first case it was pretty clear that the blues player was the closest man to the ball and and without the contact with the Qld player would have got to it first. In the second incident the Qld player was also impeded but whether he could have got to the ball first even without the interference was doubtful. What I am not clear on is if both incidents were considered to be professional fouls why didnt the Qld player also have to spend 10 minutes in the sin bin even if a penalty try was given. When this happens and a penalty kick is awarded for a professional foul near the line the offending player is sent to the bin even though the other team will also get the 2 points for the conversion. As soon as you make contact with a player without the ball you are leaving yourself open to a refereeing decision and everyone knows that can go either way.
Maybe you guys need to bring back the grasshopper then you would be sure to win just like you did whenever he refereed back in the early years of origin..
BB
BB ...... Qld doesn't have City v Country contests. So the answer is no.
NSW City v Country games started in 1928 with the infamous Sydney centric NSW RL RESIDENTS focus. It was changed in 1987 to embrace the fairer area of Origin rules.
Results ... 1928 - 1986 City 53 Country 11, 1987 - 2017 City 16 Country 11 (appx)
Re Greg the QUEENSLANDER this is an extract from the Murdoch owned Courier Mail (2008)
The Blues' nemesis in Game II, Kempsey-born Inglis is considered the most controversial defector in State of Origin history after he pledged his allegiance to the Maroons three years ago.
That decision came despite Inglis having played his first senior game at 16 for Newcastle's Hunter Sports High.
Under Origin eligibility rules, Inglis should have declared himself a Blue, but Wade Blair insists his son did not dupe officials as part of his childhood ambition to play for the Maroons.
According to Blair, Inglis believed playing in the Arrive Alive Cup ? Australia's premier schoolboy league competition ? did not constitute a senior-level fixture.
"He was asked where he played his first senior football and to his mind he didn't think senior football meant a schoolboys game for Hunter Sports High.
"At the time (he was asked to state his allegiance), Greg was playing senior football for Norths Devils, so he put himself down for Queensland.
"He didn't think schoolboy football counted as senior football.
"It used to get to Greg a bit but he loves playing for Queensland. He's happy where he is and he's staying there."
Fresh speculation in the wake of his scintillating display in Origin II claimed the 21-year-old played his first senior game at 16 for Queensland's Wavell High, which would make him a bona fide Maroon.
But Hunter coach Steve Dunn confirmed Inglis played for the Newcastle school at 16 before being transferred to Wavell at the Storm's behest the following year.
Re the Penalty try .. I had a look at the 1981 game but had to wait till 3min from full time. Qld were ahead when Steve Rogers tackled Mal Maninger as he was about to dive on the ball over the line. Clearly a penalty try (NZ ref).
It was an interesting game to watch with things like ..
5 meters at play the ball,
contested scrums, I think that the front rowers won more ball than hookers though.
striking at the ball in play the ball,
tap forward if no marker, three point tries,
crowd ran on the field at half time & at the end.
There were three punch ups in the first 6 min & then two got sent off for 10min that sort of quietened things down a bit.
Lewis in his first Captain's game got man of the match but was throwing punches with gay abandon, would have made Gallen proud but was far less skilled at punching.
All in all a great spectacle between two teams of very hard men.
I was rather taken with Choppy Close giving Growth a backhander to get him out of the way in a play the ball before diving over at the posts for a try. Growth left the field a bit later with concussion.
It's not so much the number but the quality ... eg. Beetson Bousted & before that people like Stirling (Toowoomba lad), Aus Winger Flannery ... need I go on & on. BTW 4 in for NSW that could have played for Qld represents an effective advantage of 8 key players.
It certainly did happen.
If I had the inclination I would produce a list of "NSW" cricketers that were imported from interstate. The fact is that Sheffield Shield rules had no SOO et al rules. I suppose all your cricket coaches were NSW too.
Edit ... Sorry forget to mention that the hopeless teams that I recall (your term not mine .. I don't think that it is an appropriate way to describe any team) were the NSW RL teams over the last decade or so.
-- Edited by Cupie on Monday 25th of June 2018 09:17:54 PM
FINAL EDIT ... That's it for me ... no more posts on this topic ..... From this point you will just be pi##ing in the wind because I won't be reading any more posts ........ Remember, It's just a game.
-- Edited by Cupie on Monday 25th of June 2018 09:21:18 PM
Heres one for you Cupie one of the greatest players to ever play the game i.e. Clive Churchill was born in Newcastle won five premierships with Marist Brothers Hamilton, was playing grade for Central Newcastle when he was selected for country seconds and spotted by a South Sydney talent scout. Won five premierships while playing and coaching the rabitohs, represented Australia during that era many times. Ended his career as captain coach of the Queensland team so do you want to claim him as a local product as well ?
You can have GI as he played more schoolboy games up that way than he did for us besides thats where he wanted to play. Sterlos family was tied up with the RAAF thats why he was born in Toowoomba but then he spent most of his early years growing up here in Raymond Terrace before his family was transferred to Wagga. He started his football career down there aged 14.
Years ago I went to a NSW/Qld Sheffield Shield match at the Newcastle No1 Sportsground and I was thrilled to see that famous Qld all rounder Ian Bothom belt some of the biggest 6s I have ever off bowlers like Jeff Lawson and Lenny Pascoe.
BB
-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Monday 25th of June 2018 10:31:30 PM
I remember quite a few of those famous Queenslanders, BB. There was Majid Khan, Greg Chappell, Wesley Hall, Ian Botham, Sam Trimble, Jeff Thomson, Peter Clifford, Kepler Wessells, Usman Kwaija and Allan Border, just to mention a few.
I was always amazed at all their home grown talent. Must be something in the water.
I am glad I started this thread.
Very interesting read. Whilst all football codes these days are driven by the mighty $$$$$,
I much preferred to watch the games of yesterday year where the crowd were able to enter the field and virtually carry their heroes off to the sheds. And sheds they were.
The boys had their day jobs and as such very rarely got themselves into any sort of off field wrong doings.
I would like to see Fox replay the games of yester year.
Jay&Dee
P.S.
Wes Hall did play in that test and he took
4 wickets for 140 off 29.3 overs in 1st innings ... and
5 for 63 off 17.7 overs
Back then they had a 8 ball over.
-- Edited by JayDee on Friday 29th of June 2018 08:47:33 AM
Pete
Iam glad there run of winning looks like its over ,they slater smith Cronk Thurston no matter who they played for ,were unbeatable and spoiled the series,to a certain extent,now theres real competition....