Guess who had too much time on their hands this morning
I really do realise that this exercise will draw derision from some ... but it really is just the figures provided by the manufacturers.
I have attempted to make the comparison a little more representative of what one would expect people tow with these vehicles - ie rarely the maximum rated capacity but about 20% of that. The figures, despite that assumption, are a little eye opening.
I know there are some who tow upto the maximum 3,500Kg vans because the brochure and salesman said so. Unfortunately, time will overtake them when those nasty authorities finally get their act together.
Given the angst and concern many, including the "real" experts, say about towing with a ute, it would seem that if any of these vehicles were loaded fully to their GVM and only towed vans that were 20% of their maximum towing rating, the rig is not going to be subject to "the tail wagging the dog" situation. Probably only just making it, but heavier than the van.
OH, and despite what some will think, I am NOT showing any bias to ANY particular make/model. At the risk of seeming boastful, my vehicle and van, as I am set up, are well within their weights - including axle weights.
I have included the spreadsheet if it is easier to read ... otherwise, this is a 'snapshot' of the data -
[EDIT: updated 'snapshot' and spreadsheet - Rocky made a blue]
Cheers - John
-- Edited by rockylizard on Monday 21st of May 2018 12:19:48 PM
I think in the real world you could add the weight of a WDH to most of the vehicles on the spreadsheet but having said that I think I read that you should not use one on the Landrover Discovery.
You certainly have easily displayed more accurate weight figures than what many of the manufacturers are prepared to do.
Those figures also offer any purchaser to assess wether a GVM and or GCM upgrade may be advantageous for their personal situation.
Could the topic become a sticky?
HandyWalter said
03:55 PM May 21, 2018
Dickodownunder wrote:
Well done John,
I think in the real world you could add the weight of a WDH to most of the vehicles on the spreadsheet but having said that I think I read that you should not use one on the Landrover Discovery.
You certainly have easily displayed more accurate weight figures than what many of the manufacturers are prepared to do.
Those figures also offer any purchaser to assess wether a GVM and or GCM upgrade may be advantageous for their personal situation.
Could the topic become a sticky?
John,
The word is MUST NOT USE not "should not use" If you do it upsets the air suspension and also trailer anti sway software. As I said before on of the reasons why a Landrover/RangeRover air suspension is so superior to any of the other mainstream vehicles. You do not see a LR dragging its bum because of a tow weight being added. Also its the most comfortable ride bar none as an added bonus!
Desert Dweller said
06:59 PM May 21, 2018
As on one of your previous posts the question should be asked: Why do people need to get anywhere near the maximum weights of their rigs.
We left Nyah Recreation Reserve ''donation camp'' VIC this morning after staying for two nights.
Next to us for two nights was a Colorado (3500kg towing capacity) towing an Adria 16ft caravan that wouldn't have weighed more than 1500kg.
They were heading up the Centre to Darwin & fully enjoying themselves . Who needs to tow three tons of groaning metal around?
tipsypixie said
07:01 PM May 21, 2018
Thank you and damn you John. You've started a lengthy conversation between me and the bloke that thinks he's my co-driver (passenger is more like it ). I've got a lot more questions because of you and your masochistic tendencies. Still, I'd rather read, ask and be able to make informed decisions so that we can be as safe as possible once we hit the road. Thanks again, great work and it's much appreciated.
Cheers C.
Woody n Sue said
07:13 PM May 21, 2018
Hi Rocky Being a simple farmer and occasional truck driver I find the car and caravan weight situation confusing as it seems do just about everyone else if these were trucks it would be simple
On a truck um this is the big semis I am talking about , with mass managment.
On the front steer axel you are allowed 6 tonne On the tandam drive axel you are allowed 17 tonne On the trailer tri axel you are allowed 22.5 Total 45.5 tonne Just as a side note here. Single axel on airbag Suspention is allowed 10 tonne notice the reduction of capacity on a bogi and tri . ( for safety reasons )
Simple You can not have an overloaded axel or axel group even if your total is still under 45.5 or you WILL get a fine if caught .
If car and Ute makers would simply and clearly display these figures it would make the explanation so much simpler the only thing that should be different on a car caravan combination is the max tow ball load that can be applied to a tow bar, and if applicable any reduction of the loading capacity of the car, as some do reduce the car carrying capacity by more than the actual down load on the tow bar . I think it would be a fair bet that very few caravaners would know what their max axels weights are, let alone what they actually are when loaded up on the road .
The issue of the loading of the van to stop the tail wagging the dog is a seperate issue I will not go into here .
vanman said
07:55 PM May 21, 2018
Axel vs. axle
An axel is a figure-skating jump named after the Norwegian skater Axel Paulsen (1855-1938). It does not need to be capitalized. An axle is a rounded shaft or rod that connects two wheels. Coincidentally, this words origins are also Norwegian; it comes from the Old Norse öxull.
Vanman
ShortNorth said
09:08 PM May 21, 2018
Maybe a bit optimistic allowing only 150KG for 2 passengers (driver 75kg + passenger 75kg) - I'm just a typical bloke and I'm 100kg, and when I'm wandering around parks talking to other caravanners, MANY are larger and heavier than me. Also, my better half is 110kg, and I've seen many others around camp that are larger still. I allow 210kg in MY load calculations for my rig.
Maybe 200kg or 225kg would be a more realistic weight - then see what that does to your remaining payload !
Brian
rockylizard said
09:14 PM May 21, 2018
Gday...
I agree wholeheartedly, Brian. Me and me brudder weigh more than 150Kg together as well.
If one decides to provide "personal circumstances' to the figures in the chart and re-calculate ... makes ya wonder how so many on the road can be anywhere near legal.
......... as I say ..... who's at fault ??
Cheers - John
Radar said
09:20 PM May 21, 2018
rockylizard wrote:
Gday...
I agree wholeheartedly, Brian. Me and me brudder weigh more than 150Kg together as well.
If one decides to provide "personal circumstances' to the figures in the chart and re-calculate ... makes ya wonder how so many on the road can be anywhere near legal.
......... as I say ..... who's at fault ??
Cheers - John
The driver always or chain of responsibility, the management, the wife.
rockylizard said
09:24 PM May 21, 2018
Radar wrote:
rockylizard wrote:
Gday...
I agree wholeheartedly, Brian. Me and me brudder weigh more than 150Kg together as well.
If one decides to provide "personal circumstances' to the figures in the chart and re-calculate ... makes ya wonder how so many on the road can be anywhere near legal.
......... as I say ..... who's at fault ??
Cheers - John
The driver always or chain of responsibility, the management, the wife.
Gday...
Sorry Radar - my fault ... I was not clear.
I ask "who's at fault??" meaning, when the vehicle gets pulled over and they weigh it and it is considerably over its GVM .... who will get the pain?
Yep ... we all know .................................the driver/owner of the vehicle.
Cheers - John
Radar said
09:56 PM May 21, 2018
John,
On your spread sheet it would of been good (in my opinion only) to see the cars gross combination ratings there.
Rating is the maximum weight your gross weight can be.
Weight is the weight at the weighbridge
Gross weight of the tow vehicle plus the trailer gross weight equals the gross combination weight.
Interesting my pre 3 500 towing capacity dual cab has similar gross combination rating to the newer ones. Odd that but very practical.
I am very pleased with my weights and have weighed our combination serval times now, first time I was about 20kgs over on the towball but since have moved things about coming up with acceptable weights, interesting the 6 times I have weighed the combination the weights are always slightly different. The present gross weight is around 5 500kgs, 500kgs under the combination gross weight
rockylizard said
11:08 PM May 21, 2018
Radar wrote:
John,
On your spread sheet it would of been good (in my opinion only) to see the cars gross combination ratings there.
Rating is the maximum weight your gross weight can be.
Weight is the weight at the weighbridge
Gross weight of the tow vehicle plus the trailer gross weight equals the gross combination weight.
Interesting my pre 3 500 towing capacity dual cab has similar gross combination rating to the newer ones. Odd that but very practical.
I am very pleased with my weights and have weighed our combination serval times now, first time I was about 20kgs over on the towball but since have moved things about coming up with acceptable weights, interesting the 6 times I have weighed the combination the weights are always slightly different. The present gross weight is around 5 500kgs, 500kgs under the combination gross weight
Gday...
I understand what you mean. However, from memory (and it has been a long time since this morning ) none of those I have listed would have come near their GCM because the exercise has assumed they were only towing 80% of the maximum towing rating.
Indeed, in that exercise, if any of the vehicles were loaded to their GVM, towing the van at 80% of the maximum towing rating, they would be heavier than the van.
It also assumes that each vehicle would only have 10% of that 80% of maximum towing rating as a ball weight - tow ball weights will, and do, vary from 10%.
The exercise is based on assumptions that I am confident does not represent even perhaps the 'typical' caravanner's use of the vehicle.
I am sure that there would be considerable variation in towball weight for any van, even if all van's were as stated in the exercise. Everyone loads their van differently.
There would be variation in the weight of any two passengers, and the weight allocated to "bullbar" which is for accessories etc may not be applicable to many owners as they do not have bullbars etc ... but there may be other items added to the vehicle.
I was not, and am not, trying in any way to provide conclusive information/advice to the owner of any particular vehicle - simply to provide a 'snapshot' display on how manufacturers, dealers and salesmen/women of both van's and vehicles don't really tell the actual story ... a 'snapshot' on how difficult it is to stay under GVM in many cases.
Interestingly, it would appear on the numbers in that 'snapshot' that towing a van that is only 80% of the maximum towing rating would be easier to stay within GVM if done with one of the available utes or their 'SUV' alternatives.
I doubt it would be possible to provide a 'snapshot' of a collection of vehicles that could come close to each owner's use and packing of their vehicle.
Cheers - John
-- Edited by rockylizard on Monday 21st of May 2018 11:12:37 PM
Radar said
07:15 AM May 22, 2018
rockylizard wrote:
Radar wrote:
John,
On your spread sheet it would of been good (in my opinion only) to see the cars gross combination ratings there.
Rating is the maximum weight your gross weight can be.
Weight is the weight at the weighbridge
Gross weight of the tow vehicle plus the trailer gross weight equals the gross combination weight.
Interesting my pre 3 500 towing capacity dual cab has similar gross combination rating to the newer ones. Odd that but very practical.
I am very pleased with my weights and have weighed our combination serval times now, first time I was about 20kgs over on the towball but since have moved things about coming up with acceptable weights, interesting the 6 times I have weighed the combination the weights are always slightly different. The present gross weight is around 5 500kgs, 500kgs under the combination gross weight
Gday...
I understand what you mean. However, from memory (and it has been a long time since this morning ) none of those I have listed would have come near their GCM because the exercise has assumed they were only towing 80% of the maximum towing rating.
Indeed, in that exercise, if any of the vehicles were loaded to their GVM, towing the van at 80% of the maximum towing rating, they would be heavier than the van.
It also assumes that each vehicle would only have 10% of that 80% of maximum towing rating as a ball weight - tow ball weights will, and do, vary from 10%.
The exercise is based on assumptions that I am confident does not represent even perhaps the 'typical' caravanner's use of the vehicle.
I am sure that there would be considerable variation in towball weight for any van, even if all van's were as stated in the exercise. Everyone loads their van differently.
There would be variation in the weight of any two passengers, and the weight allocated to "bullbar" which is for accessories etc may not be applicable to many owners as they do not have bullbars etc ... but there may be other items added to the vehicle.
I was not, and am not, trying in any way to provide conclusive information/advice to the owner of any particular vehicle - simply to provide a 'snapshot' display on how manufacturers, dealers and salesmen/women of both van's and vehicles don't really tell the actual story ... a 'snapshot' on how difficult it is to stay under GVM in many cases.
Interestingly, it would appear on the numbers in that 'snapshot' that towing a van that is only 80% of the maximum towing rating would be easier to stay within GVM if done with one of the available utes or their 'SUV' alternatives.
I doubt it would be possible to provide a 'snapshot' of a collection of vehicles that could come close to each owner's use and packing of their vehicle.
Cheers - John
-- Edited by rockylizard on Monday 21st of May 2018 11:12:37 PM
Sorry John, in hindsigh perhaps I needed to go back and reread your leading post before I posted my posts (thats a mouth full).
Your scenarios are good starting point.
Will people heed to the advice or go along ignoring the real world around them.
Have a good day.
Desert Dweller said
11:45 AM May 22, 2018
Judging by the rated weighs & sizes of camping chairs for sale these days (150kg) plus our own observations of the eating/drinking habits along with a total lack of exercise of a large proportion of retirees, 75kg seems over optimistic for the average driver/passenger weight. We've heard a few tugs groan, as well as seeing a noticeable drop in suspension height as their owners hop aboard.
Bill B said
11:52 AM May 22, 2018
Desert Dweller wrote:
Judging by the rated weighs & sizes of camping chairs for sale these days (150kg) plus our own observations of the eating/drinking habits along with a total lack of exercise of a large proportion of retirees, 75kg seems over optimistic for the average driver/passenger weight. We've heard a few tugs groan, as well as seeing a noticeable drop in suspension height as their owners hop aboard.
Just can't help yourself can you, with your negative put downs of people
And for your info I would just make it under 75 kgs
Dickodownunder said
12:15 PM May 22, 2018
Desert Dweller wrote:
Judging by the rated weighs & sizes of camping chairs for sale these days (150kg) plus our own observations of the eating/drinking habits along with a total lack of exercise of a large proportion of retirees, 75kg seems over optimistic for the average driver/passenger weight. We've heard a few tugs groan, as well as seeing a noticeable drop in suspension height as their owners hop aboard.
So, if.
for example a human is 6ft 5inches tall then according to you that person should be under 75kg.
What a load of rubbish.
When I first came on this forum I recall that at that time you made a rediculous statement in one of your reply posts.
At that time another member suggested that you go climb under your rock. (Referring to your avatar at the time)
Maybe you might want to consider that advice again Mr Perfect.
STRETCH ARMSTRONG said
01:10 PM May 22, 2018
Hey rockylizard,
thanks some good info for someone looking at buying a new tug. When looking at tugs it took me 6 months to research all the info that led to purchasing D-Maxine.
Anyone should be able to look at your chart and insert their own personal data into it, or do their own homework! For the D-Max I just did mine and checked it on the weighbridge. Tug with Bullbar, snorkel, full tank of fuel, and me(6ft 3inch 100kg)= 2280kg. Theoretical loaded van 3500kgs =5780kg gives me a payload in the tug of 170kg before the max GCM of 5950kg. Tow ball weight at 10% =350kg. I would be over by 180kg.
So my D-Maxine cannot tow a 3500kg den in my case. But would I? Not on your life.
-- Edited by STRETCH ARMSTRONG on Tuesday 22nd of May 2018 01:17:13 PM
Desert Dweller said
01:39 PM May 22, 2018
Dickodownunder wrote:
Desert Dweller wrote:
Judging by the rated weighs & sizes of camping chairs for sale these days (150kg) plus our own observations of the eating/drinking habits along with a total lack of exercise of a large proportion of retirees, 75kg seems over optimistic for the average driver/passenger weight. We've heard a few tugs groan, as well as seeing a noticeable drop in suspension height as their owners hop aboard.
So, if.
for example a human is 6ft 5inches tall then according to you that person should be under 75kg.
What a load of rubbish.
When I first came on this forum I recall that at that time you made a rediculous statement in one of your reply posts.
At that time another member suggested that you go climb under your rock. (Referring to your avatar at the time)
Maybe you might want to consider that advice again Mr Perfect.
We're devastated.
Greg 1 said
02:04 PM May 22, 2018
Whilst many of us are somewhat more challenged weight wise that the use 75kgs, this is a universally used average number for a persons weight. Common particularly to aviation where peoples exact weights are unknown
Dickodownunder said
02:36 PM May 22, 2018
Desert Dweller wrote:
Dickodownunder wrote:
Desert Dweller wrote:
Judging by the rated weighs & sizes of camping chairs for sale these days (150kg) plus our own observations of the eating/drinking habits along with a total lack of exercise of a large proportion of retirees, 75kg seems over optimistic for the average driver/passenger weight. We've heard a few tugs groan, as well as seeing a noticeable drop in suspension height as their owners hop aboard.
So, if.
for example a human is 6ft 5inches tall then according to you that person should be under 75kg.
What a load of rubbish.
When I first came on this forum I recall that at that time you made a rediculous statement in one of your reply posts.
At that time another member suggested that you go climb under your rock. (Referring to your avatar at the time)
Maybe you might want to consider that advice again Mr Perfect.
We're devastated.
Sorry for the OT Rocky but Double D might appreciate the effort some put in to staying within their weights
Gday...
Guess who had too much time on their hands this morning
I really do realise that this exercise will draw derision from some ... but it really is just the figures provided by the manufacturers.
I have attempted to make the comparison a little more representative of what one would expect people tow with these vehicles - ie rarely the maximum rated capacity but about 20% of that. The figures, despite that assumption, are a little eye opening.
I know there are some who tow upto the maximum 3,500Kg vans because the brochure and salesman said so. Unfortunately, time will overtake them when those nasty authorities finally get their act together.
Given the angst and concern many, including the "real" experts, say about towing with a ute, it would seem that if any of these vehicles were loaded fully to their GVM and only towed vans that were 20% of their maximum towing rating, the rig is not going to be subject to "the tail wagging the dog" situation. Probably only just making it, but heavier than the van.
OH, and despite what some will think, I am NOT showing any bias to ANY particular make/model. At the risk of seeming boastful, my vehicle and van, as I am set up, are well within their weights - including axle weights.
I have included the spreadsheet if it is easier to read ... otherwise, this is a 'snapshot' of the data -
[EDIT: updated 'snapshot' and spreadsheet - Rocky made a blue
]
Cheers - John
-- Edited by rockylizard on Monday 21st of May 2018 12:19:48 PM
Well done John,
I think in the real world you could add the weight of a WDH to most of the vehicles on the spreadsheet but having said that I think I read that you should not use one on the Landrover Discovery.
You certainly have easily displayed more accurate weight figures than what many of the manufacturers are prepared to do.
Those figures also offer any purchaser to assess wether a GVM and or GCM upgrade may be advantageous for their personal situation.
Could the topic become a sticky?
John,
The word is MUST NOT USE not "should not use" If you do it upsets the air suspension and also trailer anti sway software. As I said before on of the reasons why a Landrover/RangeRover air suspension is so superior to any of the other mainstream vehicles. You do not see a LR dragging its bum because of a tow weight being added. Also its the most comfortable ride bar none as an added bonus!
We left Nyah Recreation Reserve ''donation camp'' VIC this morning after staying for two nights.
Next to us for two nights was a Colorado (3500kg towing capacity) towing an Adria 16ft caravan that wouldn't have weighed more than 1500kg.
They were heading up the Centre to Darwin & fully enjoying themselves . Who needs to tow three tons of groaning metal around?
Thank you and damn you John. You've started a lengthy conversation between me and the bloke that thinks he's my co-driver (passenger is more like it
). I've got a lot more questions because of you and your masochistic tendencies. Still, I'd rather read, ask and be able to make informed decisions so that we can be as safe as possible once we hit the road. Thanks again, great work and it's much appreciated.
Cheers
C.
Hi Rocky
Being a simple farmer and occasional truck driver I find the car and caravan weight situation confusing as it seems do just about everyone else if these were trucks it would be simple
On a truck um this is the big semis I am talking about , with mass managment.
On the front steer axel you are allowed 6 tonne
On the tandam drive axel you are allowed 17 tonne
On the trailer tri axel you are allowed 22.5
Total 45.5 tonne
Just as a side note here.
Single axel on airbag Suspention is allowed 10 tonne notice the reduction of capacity on a bogi and tri . ( for safety reasons )
Simple
You can not have an overloaded axel or axel group even if your total is still under 45.5 or you WILL get a fine if caught .
If car and Ute makers would simply and clearly display these figures it would make the explanation so much simpler the only thing that should be different on a car caravan combination is the max tow ball load that can be applied to a tow bar, and if applicable any reduction of the loading capacity of the car, as some do reduce the car carrying capacity by more than the actual down load on the tow bar .
I think it would be a fair bet that very few caravaners would know what their max axels weights are, let alone what they actually are when loaded up on the road .
The issue of the loading of the van to stop the tail wagging the dog is a seperate issue I will not go into here .
An axel is a figure-skating jump named after the Norwegian skater Axel Paulsen (1855-1938). It does not need to be capitalized. An axle is a rounded shaft or rod that connects two wheels. Coincidentally, this words origins are also Norwegian; it comes from the Old Norse öxull.
Vanman
Maybe a bit optimistic allowing only 150KG for 2 passengers (driver 75kg + passenger 75kg) - I'm just a typical bloke and I'm 100kg, and when I'm wandering around parks talking to other caravanners, MANY are larger and heavier than me. Also, my better half is 110kg, and I've seen many others around camp that are larger still. I allow 210kg in MY load calculations for my rig.
Maybe 200kg or 225kg would be a more realistic weight - then see what that does to your remaining payload !
Brian
Gday...
I agree wholeheartedly, Brian. Me and me brudder weigh more than 150Kg together as well.
If one decides to provide "personal circumstances' to the figures in the chart and re-calculate ... makes ya wonder how so many on the road can be anywhere near legal.
......... as I say ..... who's at fault ??
Cheers - John
The driver always or chain of responsibility, the management, the wife.
Gday...
Sorry Radar - my fault ... I was not clear.
I ask "who's at fault??" meaning, when the vehicle gets pulled over and they weigh it and it is considerably over its GVM .... who will get the pain?
Yep ... we all know .................................the driver/owner of the vehicle.
Cheers - John
John,
On your spread sheet it would of been good (in my opinion only) to see the cars gross combination ratings there.
Rating is the maximum weight your gross weight can be.
Weight is the weight at the weighbridge
Gross weight of the tow vehicle plus the trailer gross weight equals the gross combination weight.
Interesting my pre 3 500 towing capacity dual cab has similar gross combination rating to the newer ones. Odd that but very practical.
I am very pleased with my weights and have weighed our combination serval times now, first time I was about 20kgs over on the towball but since have moved things about coming up with acceptable weights, interesting the 6 times I have weighed the combination the weights are always slightly different. The present gross weight is around 5 500kgs, 500kgs under the combination gross weight
Gday...
I understand what you mean. However, from memory (and it has been a long time since this morning
) none of those I have listed would have come near their GCM because the exercise has assumed they were only towing 80% of the maximum towing rating.
Indeed, in that exercise, if any of the vehicles were loaded to their GVM, towing the van at 80% of the maximum towing rating, they would be heavier than the van.
It also assumes that each vehicle would only have 10% of that 80% of maximum towing rating as a ball weight - tow ball weights will, and do, vary from 10%.
The exercise is based on assumptions that I am confident does not represent even perhaps the 'typical' caravanner's use of the vehicle.
I am sure that there would be considerable variation in towball weight for any van, even if all van's were as stated in the exercise. Everyone loads their van differently.
There would be variation in the weight of any two passengers, and the weight allocated to "bullbar" which is for accessories etc may not be applicable to many owners as they do not have bullbars etc ... but there may be other items added to the vehicle.
I was not, and am not, trying in any way to provide conclusive information/advice to the owner of any particular vehicle - simply to provide a 'snapshot' display on how manufacturers, dealers and salesmen/women of both van's and vehicles don't really tell the actual story ... a 'snapshot' on how difficult it is to stay under GVM in many cases.
Interestingly, it would appear on the numbers in that 'snapshot' that towing a van that is only 80% of the maximum towing rating would be easier to stay within GVM if done with one of the available utes or their 'SUV' alternatives.
I doubt it would be possible to provide a 'snapshot' of a collection of vehicles that could come close to each owner's use and packing of their vehicle.
Cheers - John
-- Edited by rockylizard on Monday 21st of May 2018 11:12:37 PM
Sorry John, in hindsigh perhaps I needed to go back and reread your leading post before I posted my posts (thats a mouth full).
Your scenarios are good starting point.
Will people heed to the advice or go along ignoring the real world around them.
Have a good day.
Judging by the rated weighs & sizes of camping chairs for sale these days (150kg) plus our own observations of the eating/drinking habits along with a total lack of exercise of a large proportion of retirees, 75kg seems over optimistic for the average driver/passenger weight.
We've heard a few tugs groan, as well as seeing a noticeable drop in suspension height as their owners hop aboard. 
Just can't help yourself can you, with your negative put downs of people
And for your info I would just make it under 75 kgs
So, if.
for example a human is 6ft 5inches tall then according to you that person should be under 75kg.
What a load of rubbish.
When I first came on this forum I recall that at that time you made a rediculous statement in one of your reply posts.
At that time another member suggested that you go climb under your rock. (Referring to your avatar at the time)
Maybe you might want to consider that advice again Mr Perfect.
Hey rockylizard,
thanks some good info for someone looking at buying a new tug. When looking at tugs it took me 6 months to research all the info that led to purchasing D-Maxine.
Anyone should be able to look at your chart and insert their own personal data into it, or do their own homework! For the D-Max I just did mine and checked it on the weighbridge. Tug with Bullbar, snorkel, full tank of fuel, and me(6ft 3inch 100kg)= 2280kg. Theoretical loaded van 3500kgs =5780kg gives me a payload in the tug of 170kg before the max GCM of 5950kg. Tow ball weight at 10% =350kg. I would be over by 180kg.
So my D-Maxine cannot tow a 3500kg den in my case. But would I? Not on your life.
-- Edited by STRETCH ARMSTRONG on Tuesday 22nd of May 2018 01:17:13 PM
We're devastated.
Sorry for the OT Rocky but Double D might appreciate the effort some put in to staying within their weights