I would have thought common sense would suggest to slow down when lights are flashing I always do as a matter of caution , more than likely if the lady had of decreased her speed to a sensible speed it wouldn't have probably been an issue .
dogbox said
09:06 PM Apr 13, 2018
mezza56 wrote:
I would have thought common sense would suggest to slow down when lights are flashing I always do as a matter of caution , more than likely if the lady had of decreased her speed to a sensible speed it wouldn't have probably been an issue .
most other states are 40 kph or soon will be
wombat50 said
12:47 AM Apr 14, 2018
if you are on a highway which has 3 lanes in same direction, do all 3 lanes have to slow down or just the lane closest to the police/emergency vehicle.
The Belmont Bear said
07:28 AM Apr 14, 2018
Didn't Cupie already post this a couple of days ago "speed limit when passing emergency vehicles" it seems that there may be two threads going on the same topic - just saying..
Cheers BB
Jack said
09:50 AM Apr 14, 2018
Wombat50 all 3 lines have to slow down.
Aus-Kiwi said
10:08 AM Apr 14, 2018
They made a FORTUNE outa me on the new point to point down there. Wasnât in motorhome or towing . Sheesh . Read about these idiots in the paper while in SA .. wasnât too happy when I got home and opened mail !! Ouch !!
iana said
10:24 AM Apr 14, 2018
That rule in SA has been in for at least 10 years. Posted on Wiki and other forums, perhaps by the same persons. 25 KPH like it or lump it.
If the ABC's Think Tank program is to believed, the maximum fine, in Queensland, for walking on the left of a road that doesn't have a footpath, is $2438.
Jamjar said
01:48 PM Apr 14, 2018
iana wrote:
That rule in SA has been in for at least 10 years. Posted on Wiki and other forums, perhaps by the same persons. 25 KPH like it or lump it.
The news item was on news.com.au, yesterday.
I think it's useful to know, as I didn't know the rule existed. Maybe there are others who didn't either. I certainly hadn't read that its being introduced in NSW later this year.
I have never seen anyone slow down, when doing the speed limit, when a police car has pulled a driver over, even when their lights are flashing. I've driven in NSW, QLD and VIC since 1970s.
On the other hand, I have if there were emergency service vehicles at the scene.
Jamjar
-- Edited by Jamjar on Saturday 14th of April 2018 01:49:24 PM
Jack said
03:27 PM Apr 14, 2018
The 25kph speed rule when passing emergency vehiclesvwith their blue and reds on has not be in for 10yrs, it has only ocurred in the last 2yrs or so.
Jack said
03:37 PM Apr 14, 2018
Should read 4yrs not 2yrs
Leo said
03:40 PM Apr 14, 2018
The SA law uses the words, 'immediate vicinity'. Would any reasonable person believe that s/he was obliged to hit the anchors to 25kph on a 110kph freeway where a police vehicle was at least 12 metres away from the verge of the far left lane, ie the nearside or passenger side and the police were operating a radar and talking with someone? The woman did well to slow to the low eighties.
As I see it, it isn't so much an argument with the law, although 25kph is very low and risks rear-end shunts, it is whether those police in that particular situation were acting reasonably - that they were using their discretion with proper judgement in maintaining the emergency lights and creating an emergency zone.
The law is supposed to be treating a risk, NOT giving rise to even more serious risks.
To be blunt, was the police action on that occasion (displaying emergency lights) treat a risk, or did it create risks? A failure through poor judgement one would think and they should be held to account.
-- Edited by Leo on Saturday 14th of April 2018 03:41:36 PM
-- Edited by Leo on Saturday 14th of April 2018 03:47:44 PM
landy said
08:00 PM Apr 14, 2018
Leo wrote:
The SA law uses the words, 'immediate vicinity'. Would any reasonable person believe that s/he was obliged to hit the anchors to 25kph on a 110kph freeway where a police vehicle was at least 12 metres away from the verge of the far left lane, ie the nearside or passenger side and the police were operating a radar and talking with someone? The woman did well to slow to the low eighties.
As I see it, it isn't so much an argument with the law, although 25kph is very low and risks rear-end shunts, it is whether those police in that particular situation were acting reasonably - that they were using their discretion with proper judgement in maintaining the emergency lights and creating an emergency zone.
The law is supposed to be treating a risk, NOT giving rise to even more serious risks.
To be blunt, was the police action on that occasion (displaying emergency lights) treat a risk, or did it create risks? A failure through poor judgement one would think and they should be held to account.
-- Edited by Leo on Saturday 14th of April 2018 03:41:36 PM
-- Edited by Leo on Saturday 14th of April 2018 03:47:44 PM
Could not agree more Leo. A poster on the other thread noted over the long weekend he had seen a number of police vehicles sitting beside the road with their lights flashing to demonstrate high police presence, were people supposed to brake to 25 or 40 kph to pass thees vehicles? If people are going to lose their driving licenses for this offense there needs to be some sort of protocol as to when the flashing lights can be used on emergency vehicles. I believe if the case of the motor home driver in SA happened as it was told with the police cars using their lights 12 meters from the road whilst using a speed camera to check passing traffic it has a strong smell of entrapment. I would certainly like to see this case go to court with the officers involved asked to justify using the flashing lights, and if they thought the motor home driver was acting unreasonably or was this a ticket for the sake of it. Landy
-- Edited by landy on Sunday 15th of April 2018 08:36:17 AM
iana said
08:51 PM Apr 14, 2018
Jack we are both wrong, 25kph was brought in in 2014, was 40kph, and was lowered to be aligned with the school speed limit.
Jack said
07:45 PM Apr 15, 2018
While not wanting to be a pedant I did say the 25kph limit was 4yrs ago. As an emergency services volunteer I welcome the slower speed limit.
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-advice/is-this-australias-most-obscure-road-rule/news-story/a3db560a324e1cb737b3ba6dd3df8136
I would have thought common sense would suggest to slow down when lights are flashing I always do as a matter of caution , more than likely if the lady had of decreased her speed to a sensible speed it wouldn't have probably been an issue .
most other states are 40 kph or soon will be
Didn't Cupie already post this a couple of days ago "speed limit when passing emergency vehicles" it seems that there may be two threads going on the same topic - just saying..
Cheers BB
If the ABC's Think Tank program is to believed, the maximum fine, in Queensland, for walking on the left of a road that doesn't have a footpath, is $2438.
The news item was on news.com.au, yesterday.
I think it's useful to know, as I didn't know the rule existed. Maybe there are others who didn't either. I certainly hadn't read that its being introduced in NSW later this year.
I have never seen anyone slow down, when doing the speed limit, when a police car has pulled a driver over, even when their lights are flashing. I've driven in NSW, QLD and VIC since 1970s.
On the other hand, I have if there were emergency service vehicles at the scene.
Jamjar
-- Edited by Jamjar on Saturday 14th of April 2018 01:49:24 PM
The SA law uses the words, 'immediate vicinity'. Would any reasonable person believe that s/he was obliged to hit the anchors to 25kph on a 110kph freeway where a police vehicle was at least 12 metres away from the verge of the far left lane, ie the nearside or passenger side and the police were operating a radar and talking with someone? The woman did well to slow to the low eighties.
As I see it, it isn't so much an argument with the law, although 25kph is very low and risks rear-end shunts, it is whether those police in that particular situation were acting reasonably - that they were using their discretion with proper judgement in maintaining the emergency lights and creating an emergency zone.
The law is supposed to be treating a risk, NOT giving rise to even more serious risks.
To be blunt, was the police action on that occasion (displaying emergency lights) treat a risk, or did it create risks? A failure through poor judgement one would think and they should be held to account.
-- Edited by Leo on Saturday 14th of April 2018 03:41:36 PM
-- Edited by Leo on Saturday 14th of April 2018 03:47:44 PM
Could not agree more Leo. A poster on the other thread noted over the long weekend he had seen a number of police vehicles sitting beside the road with their lights flashing to demonstrate high police presence,
were people supposed to brake to 25 or 40 kph to pass thees vehicles? If people are going to lose their driving licenses for this offense there needs to be some sort of protocol as to when the flashing lights can be used on emergency vehicles. I believe if the case of the motor home driver in SA happened as it was told with the police cars using their lights 12 meters from the road whilst using a speed camera to check passing traffic it has a strong smell of entrapment. I would certainly like to see this case go to court with the officers involved asked to justify using the flashing lights, and if they thought the motor home driver was acting unreasonably or was this a ticket for the sake of it.
Landy
-- Edited by landy on Sunday 15th of April 2018 08:36:17 AM