I often wonder about the differences in State laws. Tradie registration, car registration & licences, bun fights with health & education, extradition of criminals between states. The list goes on. Just had one that beats them all. My cousin's wife was whipped from central NSW to Canberra after she went into a coma. Canberra was the closest hospital for her condition but unfortunately she passed away almost on arrival. That was several weeks ago. Because she died in hospital, a post mortem had to be done. That took many days which I think is normal. Then because she was to be transferred back across a state border, a ****e load of paperwork had to be filled in and approved. She is finally being buried in her home town today. My cousin is furious about the fuss & delays in getting a body back over an interstate border.
msg said
12:19 PM Mar 22, 2018
Don't know why you are having problems. Mum lived in Canberra buried in NSW. Dad lived in Vic buried in NSW. We had no probs. at least that I know about. Funeral directors handled it. In our family they all go back to the town in NSW where they originally lived.
Mike Harding said
12:51 PM Mar 22, 2018
Do we need the states?
Yes.
They are the final backstop which will prevent this country ever becoming a dictatorship.
Leo said
01:10 PM Mar 22, 2018
Mike Harding wrote:
Do we need the states?
Yes.
They are the final backstop which will prevent this country ever becoming a dictatorship.
Agreed. It was diplomatic of you not to mention the stuff-ups by the feds, a few examples being that former head of the Human Rights Commission, home insulation and the mass immigration 'Ponzi Scheme'.
Happywanderer said
01:18 PM Mar 22, 2018
If you think that's a problem try getting your mum's body back to NZ when she passed away while on holiday in Aus.
But we did.
RustyD said
05:46 PM Mar 22, 2018
Mike Harding wrote:
Do we need the states?
Yes.
They are the final backstop which will prevent this country ever becoming a dictatorship.
Agree there. That's why Federation was formed. States "keep the bastards honest" as a politician said once.
But the bits like tradies having to apply in each state to work there, licence & registration, variations in laws & sentencing. I think Pharmacy items are now National.
JA2340 said
08:18 PM Mar 22, 2018
My 2c ...
NO, we don't need the states!
They are anachronistic, have too many arcane rules preventing sensible action. And, of course, duplicate heaps of bureacratic activity that chews up funds and produces no beneficial activity
IMHO, we'd be far far better off if the states disappeared up their own fundamental orifices, and the Feds had dealings with local government direct.
Yep, would cause some angst, the local government people would have to get more realistic, and the feds would have to actually do stuff for the populace in the local areas.
Perhaps, have a local government regime where the boundaries are the same as the federal electorate. That way the federal member would have to be in touch with their constituents (that'd be a change!).
BTW, I regularly argue against the formation of ANOTHER state in the Northern part of NSW. For exactly the reasons given above!
Ge said
08:45 PM Mar 22, 2018
Mike Harding wrote:
Do we need the states?
Yes.
They are the final backstop which will prevent this country ever becoming a dictatorship.
I thought we was only a democracy until the voting was done, so my mate Dic Tator (spud to his mates) tells me.
The Belmont Bear said
10:16 PM Mar 22, 2018
I was under the impression that the federal Senate was supposed to be there to ensure that our elected representatives were kept in check not the state governments. I don't really have a problem with the 3 tiers of government i.e. local, state and federal what I have a problem with is understanding why we continue wasting money paying for an upper house in NSW and a federal Senate where any nutter can get in and block legislation even if they have only received a very small % of the vote.
Cheers
BB
Woody n Sue said
08:04 AM Mar 23, 2018
Its the preferential voting system that gets up my nose.
I have only one vote, as Im only one bloke, I only want to vote for one person, not five others by default, that I wouldnt pee on if they were on fire.
If you get the most votes you get the job, simples .
Woody
aussie_paul said
09:46 AM Mar 23, 2018
Woody n Sue wrote:
Its the preferential voting system that gets up my nose. I have only one vote, as Im only one bloke, I only want to vote for one person, not five others by default, that I wouldnt pee on if they were on fire.
If you get the most votes you get the job, simples .
Woody
Yep...
Aussie Paul.
Desert Dweller said
10:43 AM Mar 23, 2018
We're one of the few places in the world with three levels of government, federal, state & local. One needs to disappear, preferably state.
Travelling interstate is like visiting a foreign country in some instances. Look at things like the Murray-Darling debacle. The states will never agree on anything much.
That's the way it's been since federation.
Dickodownunder said
11:42 AM Mar 23, 2018
Desert Dweller wrote:
We're one of the few places in the world with three levels of government, federal, state & local. One needs to disappear, preferably state.
Travelling interstate is like visiting a foreign country in some instances. Look at things like the Murray-Darling debacle. The states will never agree on anything much.
That's the way it's been since federation.
Yes...
Dickodownunder said
11:43 AM Mar 23, 2018
aussie_paul wrote:
Woody n Sue wrote:
Its the preferential voting system that gets up my nose. I have only one vote, as Im only one bloke, I only want to vote for one person, not five others by default, that I wouldnt pee on if they were on fire.
If you get the most votes you get the job, simples .
Woody
Yep...
Aussie Paul.
Yes...
Dickodownunder said
11:44 AM Mar 23, 2018
JA2340 wrote:
My 2c ... NO, we don't need the states! They are anachronistic, have too many arcane rules preventing sensible action. And, of course, duplicate heaps of bureacratic activity that chews up funds and produces no beneficial activity
IMHO, we'd be far far better off if the states disappeared up their own fundamental orifices, and the Feds had dealings with local government direct. Yep, would cause some angst, the local government people would have to get more realistic, and the feds would have to actually do stuff for the populace in the local areas. Perhaps, have a local government regime where the boundaries are the same as the federal electorate. That way the federal member would have to be in touch with their constituents (that'd be a change!).
BTW, I regularly argue against the formation of ANOTHER state in the Northern part of NSW. For exactly the reasons given above!
Yes!!! I concur that we only need 2 levels of government in a country of around 23 million.
Federal and Local are my preferences.
Just image how much infrastructure we could build, from the dollar savings.
But the States will buck and cry like crazy, and then perhaps the other two levels could be come constructive and put this place back on the map.
As the saying goes.....
Two is good company.
Three is a crowd, and not needed.
Jay&Dee
Plain Truth said
06:58 PM Mar 29, 2018
Woody n Sue wrote:
Its the preferential voting system that gets up my nose. I have only one vote, as Im only one bloke, I only want to vote for one person, not five others by default, that I wouldnt pee on if they were on fire.
If you get the most votes you get the job, simples .
Woody
It is not that simple.
Three people stand for Parliament,lets call them A, B,and C.
"A", gets 40% of the vote.
"B", gets 30% of the vote.
"C",gets 30% of the vote.
Under your system "A" Wins. But the majority 60% of the people didn't want him.
That why we have preferential voting,to give your preference to the next person till someone gets a winning majority.
Bryan said
08:25 PM Mar 29, 2018
Of course we do. It creates more jobs for more politicians.
I often wonder about the differences in State laws. Tradie registration, car registration & licences, bun fights with health & education, extradition of criminals between states. The list goes on. Just had one that beats them all. My cousin's wife was whipped from central NSW to Canberra after she went into a coma. Canberra was the closest hospital for her condition but unfortunately she passed away almost on arrival. That was several weeks ago. Because she died in hospital, a post mortem had to be done. That took many days which I think is normal. Then because she was to be transferred back across a state border, a ****e load of paperwork had to be filled in and approved. She is finally being buried in her home town today. My cousin is furious about the fuss & delays in getting a body back over an interstate border.
Do we need the states?
Yes.
They are the final backstop which will prevent this country ever becoming a dictatorship.
Agreed. It was diplomatic of you not to mention the stuff-ups by the feds, a few examples being that former head of the Human Rights Commission, home insulation and the mass immigration 'Ponzi Scheme'.
But we did.
Agree there. That's why Federation was formed. States "keep the bastards honest" as a politician said once.
But the bits like tradies having to apply in each state to work there, licence & registration, variations in laws & sentencing. I think Pharmacy items are now National.
NO, we don't need the states!
They are anachronistic, have too many arcane rules preventing sensible action. And, of course, duplicate heaps of bureacratic activity that chews up funds and produces no beneficial activity
IMHO, we'd be far far better off if the states disappeared up their own fundamental orifices, and the Feds had dealings with local government direct.
Yep, would cause some angst, the local government people would have to get more realistic, and the feds would have to actually do stuff for the populace in the local areas.
Perhaps, have a local government regime where the boundaries are the same as the federal electorate. That way the federal member would have to be in touch with their constituents (that'd be a change!).
BTW, I regularly argue against the formation of ANOTHER state in the Northern part of NSW. For exactly the reasons given above!
I thought we was only a democracy until the voting was done, so my mate Dic Tator (spud to his mates) tells me.
I was under the impression that the federal Senate was supposed to be there to ensure that our elected representatives were kept in check not the state governments. I don't really have a problem with the 3 tiers of government i.e. local, state and federal what I have a problem with is understanding why we continue wasting money paying for an upper house in NSW and a federal Senate where any nutter can get in and block legislation even if they have only received a very small % of the vote.
Cheers
BB
I have only one vote, as Im only one bloke, I only want to vote for one person, not five others by default, that I wouldnt pee on if they were on fire.
If you get the most votes you get the job, simples .
Woody
Yep...
Aussie Paul.
Travelling interstate is like visiting a foreign country in some instances. Look at things like the Murray-Darling debacle. The states will never agree on anything much.
That's the way it's been since federation.
Yes...
Yes...
Yes...
www.mauriceblackburn.com.au/blog/2018/long-awaited-helmet-law-reform-part-of-new-national-road-rules/
Yes!!! I concur that we only need 2 levels of government in a country of around 23 million.
Federal and Local are my preferences.
Just image how much infrastructure we could build, from the dollar savings.
But the States will buck and cry like crazy, and then perhaps the other two levels could be come constructive and put this place back on the map.
As the saying goes.....
Two is good company.
Three is a crowd, and not needed.
Jay&Dee
It is not that simple.
Three people stand for Parliament,lets call them A, B,and C.
"A", gets 40% of the vote.
"B", gets 30% of the vote.
"C",gets 30% of the vote.
Under your system "A" Wins. But the majority 60% of the people didn't want him.
That why we have preferential voting,to give your preference to the next person till someone gets a winning majority.
Of course we do. It creates more jobs for more politicians.