The 2 x 2 kg gas cylinder in my camper van is out of date-no refill! I don't have space for the newer models in the compartment. Can I purchase a 4 kg one, for that space and have a second one inside the Toyota van ? It could be safely stored and secured in an area under a seat in the camper van. Will it be legal ?
Cheers Somer
Eaglemax said
06:51 PM Mar 17, 2018
Sorry, not legal. You'll notice for sale cabinets for the 8.5kg bottles that vent to the outside. For a caravan the drawbar would be the place to mount them but a campervan you'd need to install a cabinet. Thats my understanding of the regulations.
Tony
Mike Harding said
06:54 PM Mar 17, 2018
Sommer wrote:
The 2 x 2 kg gas cylinder in my camper van is out of date-no refill! I don't have space for the newer models in the compartment. Can I purchase a 4 kg one, for that space and have a second one inside the Toyota van ? It could be safely stored and secured in an area under a seat in the camper van. Will it be legal ?
Your existing gas cylinders can be retested and re-stamped to be valid again - Google gas suppliers in your area, about $30 a cylinder iirc.
I've no idea whether it's legal to carry a gas cylinder in a car, camper or caravan and I don't care. I and everyone else I know has done it for years and will continue to do so.
Edit:
I refill my own gas cylinders from "swap" 9kg cylinders, I have made a hose with suitable connections on each end and have refilled my, out of date, small cylinders more times than I can count. I appreciate this makes me akin to a mass murderer in the eyes and keyboards of the righteous on this forum but that is of no interest to me. Just check the cylinders to ensure there are no rust patches or dents and that the valve is sound and the cylinder is in generally good condition.
-- Edited by Mike Harding on Saturday 17th of March 2018 06:59:34 PM
daffyfrancis said
07:58 PM Mar 17, 2018
Hi Somer
I think in most States you can transport up to 2 gas bottles some with a total of no more than 9kg inside a vehicle - the bottles must have nothing attached & secured in an upright position - this allows people to transport their BBQ gas bottles to & fro for filling/exchange.
We nearly always carry a spare 4 kg in Campervan for our annexe heater & always leave it outside of the campervan when camped up - we also have a 9kg bottle in our complying Gas compartment.
David
Farmhat said
08:00 PM Mar 17, 2018
Not the best of news, but last year came across some one with terrible injuries that happened in a rollover. His injuries were caused from an unrestrained gas cylinder in the back of his wagon, flying around inside his vehicle.
Joe.
Eaglemax said
08:06 PM Mar 17, 2018
http://www.elgas.com.au/blog/393-legality-of-gas-bottles-for-caravans-urban-myths
The above site explains it. Transporting for the purpose of refill allowed inside a vehicle.
Mike, the OP clearly asked if it is illegal to store a spare cylinder inside a campervan. It isnt.
Mike Harding said
08:29 PM Mar 17, 2018
Eaglemax wrote:
Mike, the OP clearly asked if it is illegal to store a spare cylinder inside a campervan. It isnt.
Oh dear, what a pity.
Hawk7 said
12:17 AM Mar 18, 2018
MIKE , as you can see , I don't post very often but your comments don't deserve any further comments ! Senior Member ?
Santa said
09:31 AM Mar 18, 2018
I have serious issues with people boasting of illegal and dangerous activities along with the implication that others should do likewise.
laws/regulations are usually in place for a very good reason, not as some would have us believe simply to inconvenience people, gas leaks are dangerous.
You wont find one in Newcastle. I found one only that wanted $90.00.Thats for a 3.7k bottle. 3 years out of date and got an exchange from Bunnings for $18.00 full.
Dick.
Ge said
02:39 PM Mar 18, 2018
I am not commenting on the OP, just passing on some tripe information. If a commercial courier was to pick up just one empty or full gas bottle of any size or even a can of spray paint, he needs to have DG paper work ect. This applies only to commercial transport ( getting paid for the job ) only time you don't need the paper work is when the bottles are brand new. No wonder these forums are full of urban myths. Thanks for the Elgas links Santa & Eaglemax very informative, learnt something today. PS: I won't explain DG paper work do your own research ( Dangerous Goods ).
Ge Now the sh..t head part i won't explain DG stuff as its long winded and if you do your own research you may lean some thing.
I am not trolling just saying.
Mike Harding said
05:55 PM Mar 18, 2018
Ge wrote:
If a commercial courier was to pick up... or even a can of spray paint, he needs to have DG paper work ect.
And, like so many of these safety regulations that is just silly.
rockylizard said
06:42 PM Mar 18, 2018
Gday...
To be frank, I am not inclined to provide my usual links to every State's 'dangerous goods' regulations. However, I have looked and it seems these regs for WA are pretty standard across the nation.
I couldn't see if these regs were for "commercial courier/transport", 'General Freddy Layperson' or just everybody.
Jest sayin'
Cheers - John
Eaglemax said
07:16 PM Mar 18, 2018
Re: Mike- "Oh dear, what a pity"
Its ok dont worry. Its just the law. What you do personally is of no concern to anyone's safety but yours...its all about you.
Mike Harding said
08:17 PM Mar 18, 2018
Eaglemax wrote:
Re: Mike- "Oh dear, what a pity"
Its ok dont worry. Its just the law. What you do personally is of no concern to anyone's safety but yours...its all about you.
If you believe "The Law" provides a secure and accurate safety blanket you are sorely mistaken... but then many follow your naivety....
Ge said
08:20 PM Mar 18, 2018
rockylizard wrote:
Gday...
To be frank, I am not inclined to provide my usual links to every State's 'dangerous goods' regulations. However, I have looked and it seems these regs for WA are pretty standard across the nation.
I couldn't see if these regs were for "commercial courier/transport", 'General Freddy Layperson' or just everybody.
Jest sayin'
Cheers - John
Yes your right John but license means a DG endorsed drivers license, I mean DG safety paper work. That is a drivers manifest stating from/to, UN class, packaging type and much more. The drivers DG endorsed licence means a lot more, just complex to explain here.
Thanks John the information you posts Do make interesting reading so keep up the good work.
Regards Ge PS: Any spelling mistakes blame bloody productive text.
-- Edited by Ge on Sunday 18th of March 2018 08:26:35 PM
Eaglemax said
09:13 PM Mar 18, 2018
GE said
"No wonder these forums are full of urban myths.
Thanks for the Elgas links Santa & Eaglemax very informative, learnt something today"
No worries mate.
Bryan said
09:50 PM Mar 18, 2018
Bugger. Whenever I go camping (no caravan or camper trailer), I carry a 1.25 gas cylinder in my car. I guess I'll have to buy and fit a roof rack and carry the gas cylinder on the roof.
-- Edited by Bryan on Sunday 18th of March 2018 11:58:12 PM
Ge said
10:52 PM Mar 18, 2018
Bryan wrote:
Bugger. Whenever I go camping (co caravan or camper trailer), I carry a 1.25 gas cylinder in my car. I guess I'll have to buy and fit a roof rack and carry the gas cylinder on the roof.
At last someone with common sense, why was this not bought up before. thanks for adding a bit of humor, luv it.
Ge
-- Edited by Ge on Sunday 18th of March 2018 10:54:12 PM
vince56 said
04:37 PM Mar 19, 2018
HI Mike H, Personal experience. Close friend, 2 years out of date Primus gas bottle, looked OK, paintwork in good nick, his brother owned a caravan park, sneaked in a fill, gas bottle exploded as it came to full. Frost bitten hand was the only result luckily........
-- Edited by vince56 on Monday 19th of March 2018 04:37:57 PM
Bryan said
07:50 PM Mar 19, 2018
Bryan wrote:
Bugger. Whenever I go camping (no caravan or camper trailer), I carry a 1.25 gas cylinder in my car. I guess I'll have to buy and fit a roof rack and carry the gas cylinder on the roof.
-- Edited by Bryan on Sunday 18th of March 2018 11:58:12 PM
Fitted the roof rack this afternoon and secured the gas bottle on the roof. It looked lonely and forlorn, so I went a bought a spade, a high lift jack and a set of max trax. The 1.25kg gas bottle looked puny and out of place, so I took one one of the 4.5kg from the van and fitted that instead. Now my rig looks the part. Not really it looks silly but at least its safe.
daffyfrancis said
08:04 PM Mar 19, 2018
Hope you hav'nt gone over the capacity of the roof rack Bryan & everything is evenly distributed with the gas bottle also secured in an approved holder
David
Bryan said
08:48 PM Mar 19, 2018
daffyfrancis wrote:
Hope you hav'nt gone over the capacity of the roof rack Bryan & everything is evenly distributed with the gas bottle also secured in an approved holder
David
Aaaaah stop it now. I get one thing right and something else goes wrong.
Mike Harding said
04:28 PM Mar 20, 2018
vince56 wrote:
HI Mike H, Personal experience. Close friend, 2 years out of date Primus gas bottle, looked OK, paintwork in good nick, his brother owned a caravan park, sneaked in a fill, gas bottle exploded as it came to full. Frost bitten hand was the only result luckily........
Hi Vince
Gas cylinders are qualified for ten years - a twelve year old cylinder should not have failed.
The engineering qualification is not calculated such that the cylinder is safe for 9.9999 years but liable to explode at 10.0001 years. I'll guess that the design safe life of a cylinder is at least 20 years and more likely 30 or 40 but this is intentionally derated to 10 to allow a goodly safety margin.
I have no doubt that if you search you'll find cylinders within qualification have failed. Accidents happen, the world is not a perfect place and gas cylinders are a mass production product and *will* have a finite infant, mid term ageing and random failure rate.
Sure, have cylinders retested at ten years but don't labour under the misapprehension this is some magical time limit with 100% safety before and 0% afterwards.I hope the cylinder was returned to the manufacturer or approvals body as they are always eager to understand why these failures occur.
Eaglemax said
09:19 PM Mar 20, 2018
Re: I'll guess that the design safe life of a cylinder is at
least 20 years and more likely 30 or 40 ....
And your qualifications for your guesswork Mike?
Sommer said
11:01 PM Mar 23, 2018
I have had the gas bottles tested and both is fine cost $33 for each of them. Both has been filled and in the compartment designed for them. Problem solved fot another 12 years. Thanks for all your informations.
The 2 x 2 kg gas cylinder in my camper van is out of date-no refill! I don't have space for the newer models in the compartment. Can I purchase a 4 kg one, for that space and have a second one inside the Toyota van ? It could be safely stored and secured in an area under a seat in the camper van. Will it be legal ?
Cheers Somer
Your existing gas cylinders can be retested and re-stamped to be valid again - Google gas suppliers in your area, about $30 a cylinder iirc.
I've no idea whether it's legal to carry a gas cylinder in a car, camper or caravan and I don't care. I and everyone else I know has done it for years and will continue to do so.
Edit:
I refill my own gas cylinders from "swap" 9kg cylinders, I have made a hose with suitable connections on each end and have refilled my, out of date, small cylinders more times than I can count. I appreciate this makes me akin to a mass murderer in the eyes and keyboards of the righteous on this forum but that is of no interest to me. Just check the cylinders to ensure there are no rust patches or dents and that the valve is sound and the cylinder is in generally good condition.
-- Edited by Mike Harding on Saturday 17th of March 2018 06:59:34 PM
Hi Somer
I think in most States you can transport up to 2 gas bottles some with a total of no more than 9kg inside a vehicle - the bottles must have nothing attached & secured in an upright position - this allows people to transport their BBQ gas bottles to & fro for filling/exchange.
We nearly always carry a spare 4 kg in Campervan for our annexe heater & always leave it outside of the campervan when camped up - we also have a 9kg bottle in our complying Gas compartment.
David
Not the best of news, but last year came across some one with terrible injuries that happened in a rollover. His injuries were caused from an unrestrained gas cylinder in the back of his wagon, flying around inside his vehicle.
Joe.
Oh dear, what a pity.
I have serious issues with people boasting of illegal and dangerous activities along with the implication that others should do likewise.
laws/regulations are usually in place for a very good reason, not as some would have us believe simply to inconvenience people, gas leaks are dangerous.
http://www.elgas.com.au/blog/388-lpg-gas-bottle-cylinder-placement-guide
You wont find one in Newcastle. I found one only that wanted $90.00.Thats for a 3.7k bottle. 3 years out of date and got an exchange from Bunnings for $18.00 full.
Dick.
I am not commenting on the OP, just passing on some tripe information.
If a commercial courier was to pick up just one empty or full gas bottle of any size or even a can of spray paint, he needs to have DG paper work ect.
This applies only to commercial transport ( getting paid for the job ) only time you don't need the paper work is when the bottles are brand new.
No wonder these forums are full of urban myths.
Thanks for the Elgas links Santa & Eaglemax very informative, learnt something today.
PS: I won't explain DG paper work do your own research ( Dangerous Goods ).
Ge
Now the sh..t head part i won't explain DG stuff as its long winded and if you do your own research you may lean some thing.
I am not trolling just saying.
And, like so many of these safety regulations that is just silly.
Gday...
To be frank, I am not inclined to provide my usual links to every State's 'dangerous goods' regulations. However, I have looked and it seems these regs for WA are pretty standard across the nation.
I couldn't see if these regs were for "commercial courier/transport", 'General Freddy Layperson' or just everybody.
Jest sayin'
Cheers - John
Its ok dont worry. Its just the law. What you do personally is of no concern to anyone's safety but yours...its all about you.
If you believe "The Law" provides a secure and accurate safety blanket you are sorely mistaken... but then many follow your naivety....
Yes your right John but license means a DG endorsed drivers license, I mean DG safety paper work. That is a drivers manifest stating from/to, UN class, packaging type and much more. The drivers DG endorsed licence means a lot more, just complex to explain here.
Thanks John the information you posts Do make interesting reading so keep up the good work.
Regards Ge
PS: Any spelling mistakes blame bloody productive text.
-- Edited by Ge on Sunday 18th of March 2018 08:26:35 PM
"No wonder these forums are full of urban myths.
Thanks for the Elgas links Santa & Eaglemax very informative, learnt something today"
No worries mate.
Bugger. Whenever I go camping (no caravan or camper trailer), I carry a 1.25 gas cylinder in my car. I guess I'll have to buy and fit a roof rack and carry the gas cylinder on the roof.
-- Edited by Bryan on Sunday 18th of March 2018 11:58:12 PM
At last someone with common sense, why was this not bought up before.
thanks for adding a bit of humor, luv it.
Ge
-- Edited by Ge on Sunday 18th of March 2018 10:54:12 PM
HI Mike H,
Personal experience. Close friend, 2 years out of date Primus gas bottle, looked OK, paintwork in good nick, his brother owned a caravan park, sneaked in a fill, gas bottle exploded as it came to full.
Frost bitten hand was the only result luckily........
-- Edited by vince56 on Monday 19th of March 2018 04:37:57 PM
Fitted the roof rack this afternoon and secured the gas bottle on the roof. It looked lonely and forlorn, so I went a bought a spade, a high lift jack and a set of max trax. The 1.25kg gas bottle looked puny and out of place, so I took one one of the 4.5kg from the van and fitted that instead. Now my rig looks the part. Not really it looks silly but at least its safe.
Hope you hav'nt gone over the capacity of the roof rack Bryan & everything is evenly distributed with the gas bottle also secured in an approved holder
David
Aaaaah stop it now. I get one thing right and something else goes wrong.
Hi Vince
Gas cylinders are qualified for ten years - a twelve year old
cylinder should not have failed.
The engineering qualification is not calculated such that the
cylinder is safe for 9.9999 years but liable to explode at 10.0001
years. I'll guess that the design safe life of a cylinder is at
least 20 years and more likely 30 or 40 but this is intentionally
derated to 10 to allow a goodly safety margin.
I have no doubt that if you search you'll find cylinders within
qualification have failed. Accidents happen, the world is not a
perfect place and gas cylinders are a mass production product and
*will* have a finite infant, mid term ageing and random failure rate.
Sure, have cylinders retested at ten years but don't labour under the
misapprehension this is some magical time limit with 100% safety
before and 0% afterwards.I hope the cylinder was returned to the manufacturer or approvals
body as they are always eager to understand why these failures occur.
least 20 years and more likely 30 or 40 ....
And your qualifications for your guesswork Mike?