A forum is a two way communication ! A conversation even :)
Jaahn said
11:29 AM Mar 9, 2018
Hi
There are a lot of good discussions and topics brought up here on this forum. Sometimes they stir excess discussion, but that shows people care I guess. Sometimes they wander far and wide, to fizzle out somewhere else. Sometimes just an information link to an interesting article.
My irritation is the ones that come fron newbies who join, ask a question, sometimes technical, and after lots of good answers(usually) the poster never bothers to reply, or even bothers to come back at all. That does not encourage any interaction or discussion and discourages people from bothering to answer casual question at all. I would think it is not much to ask to acknowlege the answers and say I did that and it worked(or not) Common curtesy I would think !!
Jaahn
jules47 said
11:51 AM Mar 9, 2018
Totally agree - very frustrating.
Santa said
01:16 PM Mar 9, 2018
Sadly not everyone thinks that way Jaahn.
"Common courtesy I would think !!" courtesy, not a word in the vocabulary of many nowadays.
iana said
01:20 PM Mar 9, 2018
That's why I don't usually respond to TIA (Thanks in advance), it almost sounds to me it the askee is asking us to do all the work, and they might come back and read, might not. I prefer to have the askee to respond during and after the process.
Izabarack said
02:12 PM Mar 9, 2018
If I respond to a question it is because I am trying to help. Nothing conditional there, the OP can offer gratitude if they want but I am not precious enough to expect it. In many cases, I don't even go back to the thread to see how the question panned out for the OP.
Iza
Santa said
02:21 PM Mar 9, 2018
Izabarack wrote:
If I respond to a question it is because I am trying to help. Nothing conditional there, the OP can offer gratitude if they want but I am not precious enough to expect it. In many cases, I don't even go back to the thread to see how the question panned out for the OP.
Iza
I'm not looking for gratitude and I'm not precious
Information is a two way street, people like to know whether or not a suggestion was of use or not, a lot of people who seldom post follow many of these threads with interest, if there is no indication of a solution having been found, or otherwise, the process is incomplete.
Eaglemax said
04:49 PM Mar 9, 2018
I think that human interchange in the modern internet era is vastly different from pre internet.
In barely one generation we have introduced texts and text talk, shortened words, chat rooms or personal messaging whereby people you chat to break off without telling you and you wait for a reply...when it finally comes.."oh, I've been cooking dinner" lol
And so the "thanks in advance" is an extension of this. Common courtesy therefore is for the older generation and at 62yo I'm part of that!. I too get annoyed that new posters don't reply but it is the norm now and Izabarack is right to reply without expectations...its not courteous from many a old fashioned perspective though. I think its a case of some running with technological advancements and others lagging behind.
I was walking along a main street in 40 degree heat. A young mum with 3 kids had a flat tyre. I toiled changing it for her without her saying much. I finished and she drove off without a word. Talk about deflated! Then a week later a guy approached me in a supermarket. It was her husband and she pointed me out to him. He thanked me and offered to buy me a coffee and we sat for 45 minutes chatting. They were so appreciative. A contrast to that very hot day. Although disappointed that day I changed her wheel because it was the right thing to do not for accolades. We answer new members here because we like helping and they just might end up, one day, as the longest serving member?
skins said
05:00 PM Mar 9, 2018
I have noticed that also and I am a newbie. I've asked a few questions since my time on this forum and have always thanked those that have replied to my newbie questions. It is manners and common decency to thank those that have taken the time and helped. I would not be discouraged by giving valuable advice to those that don't know and are desperate for information to their problem. It is not just that newbie who has not bothered to give thanks but it also provides valuable and worthwhile information to others as well.
regards, skins
RustyD said
05:05 PM Mar 9, 2018
Abreviations (acronyms) can be a bit of a mystery. I'm still not sure what OP (which is used in this topic) stands for. Also, lol is apparently short for many sayings.
Mike Harding said
05:49 PM Mar 9, 2018
Jaahn: I appreciate your frustration but I'm with Eaglemax in that it's good to help people out when we can and if we are appreciated then that is a bonus - BUT... someone who doesn't thank me for my first reply probably won't get a second bite of my knowledge.
Iana: I often say "Thanks in advance" when asking a question and I always return to thank people - it's just a mode of speech (writing).
jules47 said
05:50 PM Mar 9, 2018
OP - Original Poster
Post Info TOPIC: A forum is a two way communication ! A conversation even :)
Jaahn Guru Status: Offline Posts: 760 Date: 11:29 AM Mar 9, 20
Hi smile
There are a lot of good discussions and topics brought up here on this forum. Sometimes they stir excess discussion, but that shows people care I guess. Sometimes they wander far and wide, to fizzle out somewhere else. Sometimes just an information link to an interesting article.aww
My irritation is the ones that come fron newbies who join, ask a question, sometimes technical, and after lots of good answers(usually) the poster never bothers to reply, or even bothers to come back at all. That does not encourage any interaction or discussion and discourages people from bothering to answer casual question at all. I would think it is not much to ask to acknowlege the answers and say I did that and it worked(or not) hmm Common curtesy I would think !!
I guess this is the bit that annoys me; the unexplained, insulting, unsupported assumption that those who do not return to explicitly express gratitude for an answer of varying quality, are lacking manners. Many responses to questions are just plain wrong. Standards of what constitutes common courtesy belong to the observer, not just the person asking the question. There are multiple reasons to why someone might not return to the forum to round out a thread to the satisfaction of the disaffected.
An interesting comparison to this thread and those that whinge about forum members and visitors who do not post, can be seen here. There is currently a widespread concern about online bullying and posts like the opening post to a thread like this is highly likely to deter the timid or novice forum user. If you want people to post, a welcoming and friendly atmosphere is likely to entice more forum interaction. Trying to impose some personal standard and rules of forum behaviour is a function that belongs to the website owner and that seems to be quite well done already.
Iza
Jaahn said
08:03 AM Mar 10, 2018
Izabarack wrote:
I guess this is the bit that annoys me; the unexplained, insulting, unsupported assumption that those who do not return to explicitly express gratitude for an answer of varying quality, are lacking manners. Many responses to questions are just plain wrong. Standards of what constitutes common courtesy belong to the observer, not just the person asking the question. There are multiple reasons to why someone might not return to the forum to round out a thread to the satisfaction of the disaffected.
An interesting comparison to this thread and those that whinge about forum members and visitors who do not post, can be seen here. There is currently a widespread concern about online bullying and posts like the opening post to a thread like this is highly likely to deter the timid or novice forum user. If you want people to post, a welcoming and friendly atmosphere is likely to entice more forum interaction. Trying to impose some personal standard and rules of forum behaviour is a function that belongs to the website owner and that seems to be quite well done already.
Iza
Hi
Actually I did think I explained and supported my not insulting statement. I did not see it as deterring a poster but expressing an opinion, not whinging at all, which might guide a new poster to act in a manner which helps the forum to a better standard of interaction. But Izy if you feel threatened by ideas of common courtesy then feel free to use your own !
But I accept that I come on forums firstly for my enjoyment and entertainment. Secondly I like to help others who do not have the same knowledge in my particular areas. Whether they accept or reject it is up to them. But being a bit older I was always shown that common courtesy should be shown to anyone else. No reason to give it up now just because others do.
Jaahn
RustyD said
09:44 AM Mar 10, 2018
Thanks Jules. Had no idea what OP was. LOL on a card meant Lots of Love but I was not sure what it meant on a computer forum.
If I respond to a question it is because I am trying to help. Nothing conditional there, the OP can offer gratitude if they want but I am not precious enough to expect it. In many cases, I don't even go back to the thread to see how the question panned out for the OP.
Iza
I'm not looking for gratitude and I'm not precious
Information is a two way street, people like to know whether or not a suggestion was of use or not, a lot of people who seldom post follow many of these threads with interest, if there is no indication of a solution having been found, or otherwise, the process is incomplete.
I agree if your following a technical thread its nice to know how things panned out ,and also the person that solved your problem for you should be thanked its called common courtesy...
Santa said
09:26 AM Mar 11, 2018
Ron-D wrote:
I agree if your following a technical thread its nice to know how things panned out ,and also the person that solved your problem for you should be thanked its called common courtesy...
Morning Ron, obviously a concept many don't grasp.
Eaglemax said
02:44 PM Mar 11, 2018
Of course, replying to an answer to ones question is "common courtesy". Does that mean some are plain rude? I doubt it. These "rude" people if you met them in the street and you gave the same advice, would 99% thank you at the end of the conversation...so why not online?
As I tried to explain earlier the internet has everything to do with it. It transforms people and it adds another dimension to what should be a simple life- it contributes to make it a more knowledgeable one but a more complicated one when its suppose to help us.
Most of our members her are over 65yo. That era, growing up in the 50's and 60's, maybe even the 40's life was different, harder in so many ways. Now we have a new type of "hard". That can include being on the internet where you pay your bills, Facebook, twitter, email friends, family and businesses and so on and guess what?...these not so rude people forget to do one of these tasks- thanking you, the responder to a question.
This is clear when you scroll down and the questioner (OP) hasn't responded at all in the thread. It means he has forgotten to log back in, or he lost his password/user name (how many of us has done that?) or has been distracted by many other life issues.
It's dangerous to compare our lives from 60 years ago to our lives now, however I see it quite clear the contrast. These people don't lack "common courtesy", they miss the opportunity to do so due to so many other factors now. It is a thing the older generation find difficult to accept. I take it differently. The OP might not respond but the 100 people that read the thread got a lot of information out of the post. eg
"I was walking along a main street in 40 degree heat. A young mum with 3 kids had a flat tyre. I toiled changing it for her without her saying much. I finished and she drove off without a word. Talk about deflated! Then a week later a guy approached me in a supermarket. It was her husband and she pointed me out to him. He thanked me and offered to buy me a coffee and we sat for 45 minutes chatting. They were so appreciative. " That lady was managing 3 kids in extreme heat and it APPEARED she ignored me.
So in summary, nowadays it is better to have faith that the OP would be appreciative but the modern lifestyles and the internet often imposes restrictions or the post gets lost in the myriad of tasks one does on the internet that causes them to overlook it.
SouthernComfort said
05:55 PM Mar 11, 2018
I wholeheartedly agree with Eaglemax's slant. The internet element is an interesting one, but thinking even more broadly maybe our own expectations just add stress. Indeed, most of us did grow up in a different era, a rap over the knuckles if you forgot "please" and "thank you"! It's easy for us to get pompous about it now, but these days in the age of entitlement, good old fashioned manners are often overlooked if they're even taught at all. I feel the best way to alleviate the irritation of being blanked is to realign your own expectations of others. You can't change other people, but you can change you.
A thank you for assistance rendered is nice when it happens, a calmer way of living is to see it as a bonus and not an entitlement. That's it. You've helped someone unconditionally, you know you've done the right thing, anything else gained is just icing. I often pass people while walking the dog and always offer a "good morning", 99% will respond, if not initiate. I decided long ago that the few who walk on staring straight ahead probably didn't intend to be rude, maybe they were preoccupied with a real worry, I have no idea what's going on their life. Plenty of other analogies, everyone has bad days.
Desert Dweller said
06:24 PM Mar 11, 2018
If you're hyper-sensitive to constructive criticism or despise other people with a different opinion to yours don't subscribe to an open forum. Simple really.
brickies said
06:55 PM Mar 11, 2018
BJG posted on the forum on 28th February at 11 28 am subject car details And has not return to the forum since and has done the same thing before make no sence .
Santa said
06:56 PM Mar 11, 2018
Desert Dweller wrote:
If you're hyper-sensitive to constructive criticism or despise other people with a different opinion to yours don't subscribe to an open forum. Simple really.
What an excellent idea.
Eaglemax said
08:47 PM Mar 11, 2018
Hey Brickies
BJG didnt get the warmest welcome last time either.
If you try to analyse why people do things or dont do things one might end up rather confused :)
dogbox said
08:51 PM Mar 11, 2018
brickies wrote:
BJG posted on the forum on 28th February at 11 28 am subject car details And has not return to the forum since and has done the same thing before make no sence .
I wonder if some of the replies to his question could be classed as bullying an he has retired back into the darkness ashamed to have asked such a silly question
-- Edited by dogbox on Sunday 11th of March 2018 08:52:03 PM
brickies said
09:46 PM Mar 11, 2018
BJG has not been back on the forum since they posted so they have not seen any reply, That's what is so strange and they have done so before so why ask a question and not come back on to the forum to look at the answers .
Jaahn said
10:27 PM Mar 11, 2018
brickies wrote:
BJG has not been back on the forum since they posted so they have not seen any reply, That's what is so strange and they have done so before so why ask a question and not come back on to the forum to look at the answers .
Hi
Another assumption that may not be true. BJG may have looked at the forum and not logged in ! So he may have read the answers and followed the discussion but it does not show ! His choice I guess But if someone asks a specific question I think they should show they did and comment, IMHO as i said before
I also think that if you are "sensitive" then an open forum is probably not your scene.
Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Sunday 11th of March 2018 10:30:33 PM
Ron-D said
09:26 AM Mar 12, 2018
I could not care less about whether some one replies to a post on the forum your missing the point,with technical stuff its nice to have a result to the effort thats put in to solving a problem for some one.why bother helping people that could not give a rats...and say oh thats how it is these days....
SouthernComfort said
09:55 AM Mar 12, 2018
Desert Dweller wrote:
If you're hyper-sensitive to constructive criticism or despise other people with a different opinion to yours don't subscribe to an open forum. Simple really.
If you're hyper-sensitive to constructive criticism....
Criticism has a greater of chance of being accepted if it is genuinely constructive and not gratuitous
despise other people with a different opinion to yours....
Agreed, works both ways whether OP or respondent.
All humans are sensitive, it's how we're wired otherwise we'd be a bunch of robots. Everything is in the delivery, and tone is far more powerful than words. Positive persuades, negative repels.
-- Edited by SouthernComfort on Monday 12th of March 2018 09:57:07 AM
PeterX said
10:08 AM Mar 18, 2018
Maybe forum software could have a "like" or "thumbs up" feature added to each reply, for other members to show they see it as being a "good" answer.
Hi
There are a lot of good discussions and topics brought up here on this forum. Sometimes they stir excess discussion, but that shows people care I guess. Sometimes they wander far and wide, to fizzle out somewhere else. Sometimes just an information link to an interesting article.
My irritation is the ones that come fron newbies who join, ask a question, sometimes technical, and after lots of good answers(usually) the poster never bothers to reply, or even bothers to come back at all. That does not encourage any interaction or discussion and discourages people from bothering to answer casual question at all. I would think it is not much to ask to acknowlege the answers and say I did that and it worked(or not)
Common curtesy I would think !!
Jaahn
Sadly not everyone thinks that way Jaahn.
"Common courtesy I would think !!" courtesy, not a word in the vocabulary of many nowadays.
Iza
I'm not looking for gratitude and I'm not precious
Information is a two way street, people like to know whether or not a suggestion was of use or not, a lot of people who seldom post follow many of these threads with interest, if there is no indication of a solution having been found, or otherwise, the process is incomplete.
In barely one generation we have introduced texts and text talk, shortened words, chat rooms or personal messaging whereby people you chat to break off without telling you and you wait for a reply...when it finally comes.."oh, I've been cooking dinner" lol
And so the "thanks in advance" is an extension of this. Common courtesy therefore is for the older generation and at 62yo I'm part of that!. I too get annoyed that new posters don't reply but it is the norm now and Izabarack is right to reply without expectations...its not courteous from many a old fashioned perspective though. I think its a case of some running with technological advancements and others lagging behind.
I was walking along a main street in 40 degree heat. A young mum with 3 kids had a flat tyre. I toiled changing it for her without her saying much. I finished and she drove off without a word. Talk about deflated! Then a week later a guy approached me in a supermarket. It was her husband and she pointed me out to him. He thanked me and offered to buy me a coffee and we sat for 45 minutes chatting. They were so appreciative. A contrast to that very hot day. Although disappointed that day I changed her wheel because it was the right thing to do not for accolades. We answer new members here because we like helping and they just might end up, one day, as the longest serving member?
I have noticed that also and I am a newbie. I've asked a few questions since my time on this forum and have always thanked those that have replied to my newbie questions. It is manners and common decency to thank those that have taken the time and helped. I would not be discouraged by giving valuable advice to those that don't know and are desperate for information to their problem. It is not just that newbie who has not bothered to give thanks but it also provides valuable and worthwhile information to others as well.
regards, skins
Jaahn: I appreciate your frustration but I'm with Eaglemax in that it's good to help people out when we can and if we are appreciated then that is a bonus - BUT... someone who doesn't thank me for my first reply probably won't get a second bite of my knowledge.
Iana: I often say "Thanks in advance" when asking a question and I always return to thank people - it's just a mode of speech (writing).
OP - Original Poster
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TOPIC: A forum is a two way communication ! A conversation even :)
Jaahn
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Posts: 760
Date: 11:29 AM Mar 9, 20
Hi smile
There are a lot of good discussions and topics brought up here on this forum. Sometimes they stir excess discussion, but that shows people care I guess. Sometimes they wander far and wide, to fizzle out somewhere else. Sometimes just an information link to an interesting article.aww
My irritation is the ones that come fron newbies who join, ask a question, sometimes technical, and after lots of good answers(usually) the poster never bothers to reply, or even bothers to come back at all. That does not encourage any interaction or discussion and discourages people from bothering to answer casual question at all. I would think it is not much to ask to acknowlege the answers and say I did that and it worked(or not) hmm Common curtesy I would think !!
Jaahn
LOL - Laugh Out Loud
I guess this is the bit that annoys me; the unexplained, insulting, unsupported assumption that those who do not return to explicitly express gratitude for an answer of varying quality, are lacking manners. Many responses to questions are just plain wrong. Standards of what constitutes common courtesy belong to the observer, not just the person asking the question. There are multiple reasons to why someone might not return to the forum to round out a thread to the satisfaction of the disaffected.
An interesting comparison to this thread and those that whinge about forum members and visitors who do not post, can be seen here. There is currently a widespread concern about online bullying and posts like the opening post to a thread like this is highly likely to deter the timid or novice forum user. If you want people to post, a welcoming and friendly atmosphere is likely to entice more forum interaction. Trying to impose some personal standard and rules of forum behaviour is a function that belongs to the website owner and that seems to be quite well done already.
Iza
Hi
Actually I did think I explained and supported my not insulting statement. I did not see it as deterring a poster but expressing an opinion, not whinging at all, which might guide a new poster to act in a manner which helps the forum to a better standard of interaction. But Izy if you feel threatened by ideas of common courtesy then feel free to use your own !
But I accept that I come on forums firstly for my enjoyment and entertainment. Secondly I like to help others who do not have the same knowledge in my particular areas. Whether they accept or reject it is up to them. But being a bit older I was always shown that common courtesy should be shown to anyone else. No reason to give it up now just because others do.
Jaahn
I agree if your following a technical thread its nice to know how things panned out ,and also the person that solved your problem for you should be thanked its called common courtesy...
Ron-D wrote:
I agree if your following a technical thread its nice to know how things panned out ,and also the person that solved your problem for you should be thanked its called common courtesy...
Morning Ron, obviously a concept many don't grasp.
As I tried to explain earlier the internet has everything to do with it. It transforms people and it adds another dimension to what should be a simple life- it contributes to make it a more knowledgeable one but a more complicated one when its suppose to help us.
Most of our members her are over 65yo. That era, growing up in the 50's and 60's, maybe even the 40's life was different, harder in so many ways. Now we have a new type of "hard". That can include being on the internet where you pay your bills, Facebook, twitter, email friends, family and businesses and so on and guess what?...these not so rude people forget to do one of these tasks- thanking you, the responder to a question.
This is clear when you scroll down and the questioner (OP) hasn't responded at all in the thread. It means he has forgotten to log back in, or he lost his password/user name (how many of us has done that?) or has been distracted by many other life issues.
It's dangerous to compare our lives from 60 years ago to our lives now, however I see it quite clear the contrast. These people don't lack "common courtesy", they miss the opportunity to do so due to so many other factors now. It is a thing the older generation find difficult to accept. I take it differently. The OP might not respond but the 100 people that read the thread got a lot of information out of the post. eg
"I was walking along a main street in 40 degree heat. A young mum with 3 kids had a flat tyre. I toiled changing it for her without her saying much. I finished and she drove off without a word. Talk about deflated! Then a week later a guy approached me in a supermarket. It was her husband and she pointed me out to him. He thanked me and offered to buy me a coffee and we sat for 45 minutes chatting. They were so appreciative. " That lady was managing 3 kids in extreme heat and it APPEARED she ignored me.
So in summary, nowadays it is better to have faith that the OP would be appreciative but the modern lifestyles and the internet often imposes restrictions or the post gets lost in the myriad of tasks one does on the internet that causes them to overlook it.
A thank you for assistance rendered is nice when it happens, a calmer way of living is to see it as a bonus and not an entitlement. That's it. You've helped someone unconditionally, you know you've done the right thing, anything else gained is just icing. I often pass people while walking the dog and always offer a "good morning", 99% will respond, if not initiate. I decided long ago that the few who walk on staring straight ahead probably didn't intend to be rude, maybe they were preoccupied with a real worry, I have no idea what's going on their life. Plenty of other analogies, everyone has bad days.
If you're hyper-sensitive to constructive criticism or despise other people with a different opinion to yours don't subscribe to an open forum. Simple really.
What an excellent idea.
I wonder if some of the replies to his question could be classed as bullying an he has retired back into the darkness ashamed to have asked such a silly question
-- Edited by dogbox on Sunday 11th of March 2018 08:52:03 PM
Hi
Another assumption that may not be true. BJG may have looked at the forum and not logged in ! So he may have read the answers and followed the discussion but it does not show ! His choice I guess
But if someone asks a specific question I think they should show they did and comment, IMHO as i said before 
I also think that if you are "sensitive" then an open forum is probably not your scene.
Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Sunday 11th of March 2018 10:30:33 PM
I could not care less about whether some one replies to a post on the forum your missing the point,with technical stuff its nice to have a result to the effort thats put in to solving a problem for some one.why bother helping people that could not give a rats...and say oh thats how it is these days....
If you're hyper-sensitive to constructive criticism....
Criticism has a greater of chance of being accepted if it is genuinely constructive and not gratuitous
despise other people with a different opinion to yours....
Agreed, works both ways whether OP or respondent.
All humans are sensitive, it's how we're wired otherwise we'd be a bunch of robots. Everything is in the delivery, and tone is far more powerful than words. Positive persuades, negative repels.
-- Edited by SouthernComfort on Monday 12th of March 2018 09:57:07 AM