hasn't done himself any favours has he
cheers
blaze
Santa said
09:30 AM Mar 7, 2018
Inevitable, and warranted.
Barboots said
12:06 PM Mar 7, 2018
If he'd kept the site in order perhaps no one would have complained...
Santa said
12:19 PM Mar 7, 2018
No sewerage and no running water! imagine if we all chose to live this way, we are constantly reminded of the hazards of living in unsanitary conditions in and around the Copper Coast area, most people know and understand the basics of hygiene, others think it's OK to crap behind the closest bush, its not.
"Moonta Cemetery For those who want to recall a time when diseases could decimate a community, the Moonta Cemetery is a sad and salutory reminder of the powerful impact of epidemics of typhoid, cholera and diphtheria which raced through the town in 1873. They were the result of unsanitary conditions in and around the mines. As a result there were 327 burials in 1873. Equally sad are the large number of unmarked children's graves which lie just beyond the cemetery's main gates. There is a plaque which provides information about the deaths."
boab said
01:49 PM Mar 7, 2018
most likely warranted but imagine the out rage if the same rules applied to every one living in dwellings without running water any one that knows the menzies shire would know there are a lot more than just him living in those types of conditions seems to me there are 2 sets of rules
Travel Bug said
02:08 PM Mar 7, 2018
Barboots wrote:
If he'd kept the site in order perhaps no one would have complained...
I agree.
Mike Harding said
05:23 PM Mar 7, 2018
Travel Bug wrote:
Barboots wrote:
If he'd kept the site in order perhaps no one would have complained...
I agree.
I don't. There is always some busybody only too keen to poke their nose in and especially if it won't have any comeback on them.
I have recently been helping a friend who has lived in a tin shed on his large bush property for the past twenty years. No running water, no sanitation but he has a lot of land in which to dig holes for toilet purposes.
He has a serious psychiatric condition but functions well enough most of the time and has his two teenage daughters to stay every few weeks. Where he lives in Victoria it gets damn hot in summer and damn cold in winter but he copes well enough and cares for himself and his dog. He's a sociable bloke and gets on well with his neighbours - they keep an eye on him.
All was working well until a while back when some pr.ick dobbed him in to the council. The council then have no option but to act, they can no longer turn a blind eye so I assisted my friend through the very stressful process of dealing with the council as they sought to evict him from his home - his *HOME*, you understand.
I had no doubt that if he was forced to leave he would suicide.
In the end the matter was solved because he had a massive stroke and lay in his shed for two days before being found - now he has major brain damage and will probably never leave hospital.
So: a man with a serious psychiatric condition who had managed his life well for twenty years and disturbed no one forced into a terrible lingering hell for the rest of his life all because some bas.tard didn't like him shi.tting in his own woods. I hope they rot in hell.
Have a care before you get all pious about how others should live - you don't know their story.
boab said
05:29 PM Mar 7, 2018
Mike Harding agree 100%
brickies said
05:31 PM Mar 7, 2018
Yes life is hard for some people .
the rocket said
06:46 PM Mar 7, 2018
.mike Harding. I agree.its your land until someone. Does not like what u do. Just makes me angry. How far from Perth is he. Fgs. Leave him alone.
Ike Harding. I agree.ts
jules47 said
08:53 PM Mar 7, 2018
Menzies is above Kalgoorlie, Rocket - lovely little town. Went from there to Lake Ballard. Saw some people "camping" on blocks, mostly quite tidy.
dogbox said
08:55 PM Mar 7, 2018
I don't know how much land he is on but if it was a residential area would you like to be living neat door ??
jules47 said
09:14 PM Mar 7, 2018
There are a lot of people living like that all over our country - they can not afford or don't want to live in crowded cities and big towns -men and women - couples and singles.
I don't think Menzies is going to turn into a metropolis any time soon, obviously the bloke needs help - instead of hounding him with fines etc., send some people out to help him do the minimum necessary to allow him to stay - specifiy that he must keep it under control. Rescind the fines etc, and let him be. Rather him there than in a city possibly on a park bench, or getting beaten up or even killed,
dogbox said
02:07 PM Mar 8, 2018
maybe because people are talking about him someone who knows him or knows of him will get him the help he may or may not need
Santa said
02:17 PM Mar 8, 2018
I've lived in communities (mining) where living under these conditions is pretty common.
Time eventually takes care of the problem, they either get moved on by the powers that be, or some unfortunate soul finds em expired.
They found one of my neighbors in the middle of summer on the seat of his long drop, had been there for a couple of days.
Phillipn said
04:47 PM Mar 8, 2018
I called on a relation in Cambridge St South Grafton this morning, the house and yard next door looked like a pig sty. Long grass and over flowing rubbish bins. I must not be unkind to pigs as they would have eaten the garbage and chewed the grass off. [Rental property]
AlPal said
10:08 AM Mar 10, 2018
The trouble is Jules there are not many individuals today in Authority who are prepared to go out of their way to help others. The exception of course are the Service Clubs and Church Groups, volunteers, etc. When I was a kid we had numerous swaggies who walked around our country with just a swag and a billy on their back, many or most of them were veterans from the 1st World War. Many of them camped under the peppercorn trees on my parents property. They were always cared for and respected. It is well known that many veterans from the Vietnam War could not handle it after coming home and became homeless; many heading into remote areas of Australia to live whatever life they had. I was motivated to say something here because of a veteran I know living in outback South Australia, who somehow has survived in a tin hut. It is well known what has happened to many who served in Irak, Afghanistan, etc. Sure the bloke has done nothing to help himself and there are probably reasons for that. It is always easy to throw the Rule book at anyone, but it is not always easy for some to think outside the square and lend a helping hand. AlPal.
aussie_paul said
10:42 AM Mar 10, 2018
AlPal wrote:
The trouble is Jules there are not many individuals today in Authority who are prepared to go out of their way to help others. The exception of course are the Service Clubs and Church Groups, volunteers, etc. When I was a kid we had numerous swaggies who walked around our country with just a swag and a billy on their back, many or most of them were veterans from the 1st World War. Many of them camped under the peppercorn trees on my parents property. They were always cared for and respected. It is well known that many veterans from the Vietnam War could not handle it after coming home and became homeless; many heading into remote areas of Australia to live whatever life they had. I was motivated to say something here because of a veteran I know living in outback South Australia, who somehow has survived in a tin hut. It is well known what has happened to many who served in Irak, Afghanistan, etc. Sure the bloke has done nothing to help himself and there are probably reasons for that. It is always easy to throw the Rule book at anyone, but it is not always easy for some to think outside the square and lend a helping hand. AlPal.
For those defending this guy's chosen living arrangements, maybe look up the address? It's a new small block subdivision which he has bought into. It's not "out in the bush", and is in view of the other allotments of the subdivision. But you researched that hey??? ð¤£
jules47 said
11:28 AM Mar 10, 2018
I know that it is true - people in authority want to do things the "easy" way - closing this man down is the easy way in this instance, I feel.
My father was born in 1910, when he was 14 he left home (there were 11 children) and took to the road with his swag, he often talked of chopping wood for farmers, who would feed them, let them clean themselves up in his dam, and sleep in a shed overnight.
He had many, many stories - of course none of us took time to write some of these stories down, in fact I think one of my brothers doesn't even know Dad carried his swag. I was working in Melbourne, met a guy who started work there - had an unusual surname - my dad had this guys dads name hand tattooed on his wrist, and the other guy had Dad's on his. We organised for them to meet, they talked over a beer for hours - but never kept in touch. They had camped under the Albury Bridge together for a few weeks way back, which is when they tattooed each other.
I have a cousin who did three tours of Vietnam (regular army) - he is a mental mess. Some others from more recent wars are also suffering badly. Got one of the coming to visit next week - 41 years of age, PTSD, can't work, bit antisocial, but I love him - he is one of my sons of another mother - calls me Mum. as do most of my sons mates.
Leo said
11:34 AM Mar 10, 2018
While accepting too that some people are just oppositional, which to make a side comment, is where many indigenous lave managed to lob themselves after well-meaning but patronising support and excuses over decades have removed any capacity for self-help.
What prevents this fellow and his supporters from taking some of the simple, practical initiatives to be 'eco-friendly' and a good citizen? Maybe a load to the tip? It isn't ALL up to the 'gubbermint' and its social workers, although it must be (life-wasting) good sport to annoy public bureaucrats.
Plenty of 'Simple Living' tips on the Net, free along with mags and books at the local library.
First ask the question what could he do if he really wanted to.
jules,
This reply refers to the posts before yours. I was enjoying a coffee and didn't see your post.
-- Edited by Leo on Saturday 10th of March 2018 12:22:32 PM
hako said
02:50 PM Mar 10, 2018
Barboots wrote:
For those defending this guy's chosen living arrangements, maybe look up the address? It's a new small block subdivision which he has bought into. It's not "out in the bush", and is in view of the other allotments of the subdivision. But you researched that hey??? ð¤£
I just checked up Menzies on Google maps - the whole town has a population of 108 and I couldn't count more than 17 houses on the satellite view.
A new sub division would have to be a joke I reckon.
Regards
jules47 said
04:41 PM Mar 10, 2018
Some history of Menzies - and a photo of the terrain
"History
* Prior to the arrival of gold prospectors the area had been sparsely populated by
people from the local Wangkathaa Aboriginal language group.
* The first European into the area was the explorer John Forrest who passed through in 1869 looking for the lost explorer, Ludwig Leichhardt.
* Prospectors heading north from Kalgoorie were eager to find more gold in the area. This was achieved by Leslie Robert Menzies and John McDonald who discovered gold in 1894 and named their lease, Lady Shelton.
* Menzies was officially established in August, 1895.
* By 1896 Menzies had become a municipality.
* Between 1896-98 the Town Hall was built.
* The railway arrived in 1900 by which time the town had two breweries, thirteen hotels and a population of over 10 000.
* By 1905 most of the miners had departed.
* Today Menzies is little more than a main street and a small population. The price of gold and the development of new technology can see the town's population rise and fall dramatically."
The above is about two streets from the main street - Main street is a delight though.
The beautiful Lake Ballard is 60k West from just above Menzies - well worth a visit, but this is the terrain locally - right in town is very nice, and a great caravan park, there is a history walk round town, with placards, statues, etc., with information. The PO/Caravan Park person, was the only person we saw in the town, I think there was a café as well.
Lake Ballard - 50 statues like this all over the salt lake - fantastic.
-- Edited by jules47 on Saturday 10th of March 2018 04:44:36 PM
There may be more to the story , It's not a place you would want to live .
Mike Harding said
05:26 PM Mar 10, 2018
A lot of Aborigines live in very similar conditions to the guy in Menzies, as those of us who have visited their towns know... I wonder if councils or government will be taking them to court and/or issuing fines?
Ron-D said
05:56 PM Mar 10, 2018
No ones above the law some think they are until there caught,but if your living in a remote area on your own property not interfering with any others I cant see any problems with what he wants to do ,but if your living like a grub and its intetfering with others in the community thats another matter that should be delt with ,why should neighbours have to put up with it...
Mike Harding said
06:48 PM Mar 10, 2018
Ron-D wrote:
No ones above the law some think they are until there caught
Unfortunately many are above the law... but they are all wealthy or have political power.
As one example I offer the Uber taxi service - financed by, amongst others, some large Japanese banks, did you ever see one finger lifted against them in Australia or, indeed, many other countries?
This naive notion of "no one is above the law" is a fallacy maintained to keep the proles from getting too restless.
Gday...
You may recall this bloke's situation was posted on the forum some time ago.
This is the update.
Cheers - John
cheers
blaze
Inevitable, and warranted.
No sewerage and no running water! imagine if we all chose to live this way, we are constantly reminded of the hazards of living in unsanitary conditions in and around the Copper Coast area, most people know and understand the basics of hygiene, others think it's OK to crap behind the closest bush, its not.
"Moonta Cemetery
For those who want to recall a time when diseases could decimate a community, the Moonta Cemetery is a sad and salutory reminder of the powerful impact of epidemics of typhoid, cholera and diphtheria which raced through the town in 1873. They were the result of unsanitary conditions in and around the mines. As a result there were 327 burials in 1873. Equally sad are the large number of unmarked children's graves which lie just beyond the cemetery's main gates. There is a plaque which provides information about the deaths."
I agree.
I don't. There is always some busybody only too keen to poke their nose in and especially if it won't have any comeback on them.
I have recently been helping a friend who has lived in a tin shed on his large bush property for the past twenty years. No running water, no sanitation but he has a lot of land in which to dig holes for toilet purposes.
He has a serious psychiatric condition but functions well enough most of the time and has his two teenage daughters to stay every few weeks. Where he lives in Victoria it gets damn hot in summer and damn cold in winter but he copes well enough and cares for himself and his dog. He's a sociable bloke and gets on well with his neighbours - they keep an eye on him.
All was working well until a while back when some pr.ick dobbed him in to the council. The council then have no option but to act, they can no longer turn a blind eye so I assisted my friend through the very stressful process of dealing with the council as they sought to evict him from his home - his *HOME*, you understand.
I had no doubt that if he was forced to leave he would suicide.
In the end the matter was solved because he had a massive stroke and lay in his shed for two days before being found - now he has major brain damage and will probably never leave hospital.
So: a man with a serious psychiatric condition who had managed his life well for twenty years and disturbed no one forced into a terrible lingering hell for the rest of his life all because some bas.tard didn't like him shi.tting in his own woods. I hope they rot in hell.
Have a care before you get all pious about how others should live - you don't know their story.
.mike Harding. I agree.its your land until someone. Does not like what u do. Just makes me angry. How far from Perth is he. Fgs. Leave him alone.
Ike Harding. I agree.ts
I don't think Menzies is going to turn into a metropolis any time soon, obviously the bloke needs help - instead of hounding him with fines etc., send some people out to help him do the minimum necessary to allow him to stay - specifiy that he must keep it under control. Rescind the fines etc, and let him be. Rather him there than in a city possibly on a park bench, or getting beaten up or even killed,
I've lived in communities (mining) where living under these conditions is pretty common.
Time eventually takes care of the problem, they either get moved on by the powers that be, or some unfortunate soul finds em expired.
They found one of my neighbors in the middle of summer on the seat of his long drop, had been there for a couple of days.
I called on a relation in Cambridge St South Grafton this morning, the house and yard next door looked like a pig sty. Long grass and over flowing rubbish bins. I must not be unkind to pigs as they would have eaten the garbage and chewed the grass off. [Rental property]
The trouble is Jules there are not many individuals today in Authority who are prepared to go out of their way to help others. The exception of course are the Service Clubs and Church Groups, volunteers, etc. When I was a kid we had numerous swaggies who walked around our country with just a swag and a billy on their back, many or most of them were veterans from the 1st World War. Many of them camped under the peppercorn trees on my parents property. They were always cared for and respected. It is well known that many veterans from the Vietnam War could not handle it after coming home and became homeless; many heading into remote areas of Australia to live whatever life they had. I was motivated to say something here because of a veteran I know living in outback South Australia, who somehow has survived in a tin hut. It is well known what has happened to many who served in Irak, Afghanistan, etc. Sure the bloke has done nothing to help himself and there are probably reasons for that. It is always easy to throw the Rule book at anyone, but it is not always easy for some to think outside the square and lend a helping hand. AlPal.
I agree AlPal.
Aussie Paul.
My father was born in 1910, when he was 14 he left home (there were 11 children) and took to the road with his swag, he often talked of chopping wood for farmers, who would feed them, let them clean themselves up in his dam, and sleep in a shed overnight.
He had many, many stories - of course none of us took time to write some of these stories down, in fact I think one of my brothers doesn't even know Dad carried his swag. I was working in Melbourne, met a guy who started work there - had an unusual surname - my dad had this guys dads name hand tattooed on his wrist, and the other guy had Dad's on his. We organised for them to meet, they talked over a beer for hours - but never kept in touch. They had camped under the Albury Bridge together for a few weeks way back, which is when they tattooed each other.
I have a cousin who did three tours of Vietnam (regular army) - he is a mental mess. Some others from more recent wars are also suffering badly. Got one of the coming to visit next week - 41 years of age, PTSD, can't work, bit antisocial, but I love him - he is one of my sons of another mother - calls me Mum. as do most of my sons mates.
While accepting too that some people are just oppositional, which to make a side comment, is where many indigenous lave managed to lob themselves after well-meaning but patronising support and excuses over decades have removed any capacity for self-help.
What prevents this fellow and his supporters from taking some of the simple, practical initiatives to be 'eco-friendly' and a good citizen? Maybe a load to the tip? It isn't ALL up to the 'gubbermint' and its social workers, although it must be (life-wasting) good sport to annoy public bureaucrats.
Plenty of 'Simple Living' tips on the Net, free along with mags and books at the local library.
First ask the question what could he do if he really wanted to.
jules,
This reply refers to the posts before yours. I was enjoying a coffee and didn't see your post.
-- Edited by Leo on Saturday 10th of March 2018 12:22:32 PM
I just checked up Menzies on Google maps - the whole town has a population of 108 and I couldn't count more than 17 houses on the satellite view.
A new sub division would have to be a joke I reckon.
Regards
Some history of Menzies - and a photo of the terrain
"History
* Prior to the arrival of gold prospectors the area had been sparsely populated by
people from the local Wangkathaa Aboriginal language group.
* The first European into the area was the explorer John Forrest who passed through in 1869 looking for the lost explorer, Ludwig Leichhardt.
* Prospectors heading north from Kalgoorie were eager to find more gold in the area. This was achieved by Leslie Robert Menzies and John McDonald who discovered gold in 1894 and named their lease, Lady Shelton.
* Menzies was officially established in August, 1895.
* By 1896 Menzies had become a municipality.
* Between 1896-98 the Town Hall was built.
* The railway arrived in 1900 by which time the town had two breweries, thirteen hotels and a population of over 10 000.
* By 1905 most of the miners had departed.
* Today Menzies is little more than a main street and a small population. The price of gold and the development of new technology can see the town's population rise and fall dramatically."
The above is about two streets from the main street - Main street is a delight though.
The beautiful Lake Ballard is 60k West from just above Menzies - well worth a visit, but this is the terrain locally - right in town is very nice, and a great caravan park, there is a history walk round town, with placards, statues, etc., with information. The PO/Caravan Park person, was the only person we saw in the town, I think there was a café as well.
Lake Ballard - 50 statues like this all over the salt lake - fantastic.
-- Edited by jules47 on Saturday 10th of March 2018 04:44:36 PM
A lot of Aborigines live in very similar conditions to the guy in Menzies, as those of us who have visited their towns know... I wonder if councils or government will be taking them to court and/or issuing fines?
No ones above the law some think they are until there caught,but if your living in a remote area on your own property not interfering with any others I cant see any problems with what he wants to do ,but if your living like a grub and its intetfering with others in the community thats another matter that should be delt with ,why should neighbours have to put up with it...
Unfortunately many are above the law... but they are all wealthy or have political power.
As one example I offer the Uber taxi service - financed by, amongst others, some large Japanese banks, did you ever see one finger lifted against them in Australia or, indeed, many other countries?
This naive notion of "no one is above the law" is a fallacy maintained to keep the proles from getting too restless.
Subdivision.