Given these figures, it is fairly obvious why there is a 'constant push' to make funding for the 'aged' and 'health' to be made more sustainable. I guess we can continue to look forward to hearing how we are such a drain on society.
However, on the same figures ... why is there such a high profile given to the need to curtail spending on the 'unemployed'.
Cheers - John
Craig1 said
02:03 PM Jan 23, 2018
If you add foreign aid and immigration together, that would be a big saving if deleted. No mention of our original inhabitants either. cheers Craig
msg said
02:56 PM Jan 23, 2018
Yes, its all in the how its catagorised.
Possum3 said
03:58 PM Jan 23, 2018
Spot on Craig1, I also would prefer more to indigenous peoples in preference to foreign aid and immigration.
Big Gorilla said
04:43 PM Jan 23, 2018
Interest paid on loans to shore up the Budget is a big number also... Immigration probably includes the Camps on Nauru and Manus..
-- Edited by Big Gorilla on Tuesday 23rd of January 2018 04:44:54 PM
Kebbin said
05:55 PM Jan 23, 2018
What about our original inhabitants Craig? Have you something intelligent to share?
Desert Dweller said
07:05 PM Jan 23, 2018
Possum3 wrote:
Spot on Craig1, I also would prefer more to indigenous peoples in preference to foreign aid and immigration.
Another vote for Craig 1, billions of dollars for new submarines & a space base in Arnhem Land.
We're such a pathetic country on a world stage. Our indigenous population have needed massive funding for health, education & housing for decades.
We need to look after our own back yard first. In reality it's our FRONT yard. What a ridiculous long term situation!
As usual nothing of any substance will ever get done. Words are cheap, we'd like to help in a limited way. Priority number one.
-- Edited by Desert Dweller on Wednesday 24th of January 2018 05:42:32 AM
the rocket said
09:54 AM Jan 24, 2018
I am a bit perplexed. 387,000,000. Thats peanuts. What i would like to see is a total breakdown of spending.
it says Spending for average tax payer but what about all the other expenses, like pollies wages etc. what catagory is that under. And many other expenditures.
would be interesting to c the lot And it would be interesting to know the total monies that come in each year. Guess i am just a bit of an accountant at heart. Enjoy working with figures.
msg said
11:12 AM Jan 24, 2018
Hi Rocket, had the same thoughts. I think, maybe, you could get some numbers from the Dept of Finance website or perhaps Treasury. They would be at a very high level though.
Kebbin said
01:15 PM Jan 24, 2018
Rocket add another 3 zero's to that balance, eg. 387,000,000,000 that's
$387 billion.
dogbox said
03:27 PM Jan 24, 2018
Desert Dweller wrote:
Possum3 wrote:
Spot on Craig1, I also would prefer more to indigenous peoples in preference to foreign aid and immigration.
Another vote for Craig 1, billions of dollars for new submarines & a space base in Arnhem Land.
We're such a pathetic country on a world stage. Our indigenous population have needed massive funding for health, education & housing for decades.
We need to look after our own back yard first. In reality it's our FRONT yard. What a ridiculous long term situation!
As usual nothing of any substance will ever get done. Words are cheap, we'd like to help in a limited way. Priority number one.
-- Edited by Desert Dweller on Wednesday 24th of January 2018 05:42:32 AM
I not really fussed how much gets spent on the indigenous population provided it was for their benefit an not on all of the fringe industries that surround them that use the funds up mostly in admin costs with not a lot benefit for the people who need it
one example in a remote country town(nsw) mostly indigenous residents government housing needed a coat of paint the contractor brought the labour from Sydney while the locals sat under a tree collecting welfare bye the time they finished painting the houses the first ones where just about ready to be done again I would have thought it would be dollar wise to train a team of locals to do the job as required just think of how much It cost in admin fees to get the job done ex Sydney with all the middle men involved
RustyD said
03:56 PM Jan 24, 2018
I reckon the indigenous community should be self sufficient / funded. Anything on indigenous land should be putting royalties into their funding; places like Uluru, mining, electricity poles, phone towers, private railway lines etc. And of course doing their own maintenance on their housing. This requires education and a sense of ownership that lots of social welfare recipients do not understand (or want to understand) regardless of their colour or background.
dogbox said
09:28 PM Jan 24, 2018
just read a story from west aus that the emergency services won't attend a part of town without police escourt due to being pelted with rocks an bricks
RustyD said
10:42 PM Jan 24, 2018
Several places in Western NSW same. A friend was an ambo and his sister-in-law a nurse in one town. Moved out. Now its out of control druggies in big city hospitals.
Craig1 said
12:07 PM Jan 25, 2018
Kebbin, just that we hear of lots of money being spent and some of it is wasted as there are many unsolved issues relating to the originals. But it must be a small amount if it doesn't get a gurnsey in OP table of spend.
I am with Dogbox about outside waste and the lack of true results. There is an excellent article from Jacinta Nampijinpa Price ( Alice Springs Councillor) in today's Herald Sun. Seems to make a lot of sense to me. Cheers Craig
oldbloke said
09:19 AM Jan 28, 2018
So the average tax payer contributes $11427.
What do companies pay. Strange that's missing.
oldbloke said
09:22 AM Jan 28, 2018
So the average tax payer contributes $11427.
What do companies pay. Strange that's missing.
dogbox said
12:34 PM Jan 28, 2018
the big 4 banks are the biggest tax payers but we want to spent millions to crucify them.
while the miners with creative accounting pay less an the likes of ikea an other large foreign companies pay almost nothing
dogbox said
10:51 AM Jan 31, 2018
RustyD wrote:
I reckon the indigenous community should be self sufficient / funded. Anything on indigenous land should be putting royalties into their funding; places like Uluru, mining, electricity poles, phone towers, private railway lines etc. And of course doing their own maintenance on their housing. This requires education and a sense of ownership that lots of social welfare recipients do not understand (or want to understand) regardless of their colour or background.
just read that fortesque metals spent 2 billion dollars employing indigenous companies and sub-contractors in their mines and associated businesses that is a lot of money going into the communities in the area or is it going to the sauvy few an the rest can go jump???
rockylizard said
11:00 AM Jan 31, 2018
Gday...
Are you sure about that Dogbox?
I am aware Fortesque Metals Group has joined with ANZ to provide upto $50Million as 'finance' (loans) for indigenous businesses that work with, for or want to work with, for Fortesque.
Are ya able to find a link to the article you refer to where Fortesque is going to spend $2billion actually EMPLOYING businesses/contractors/employees?
Cheers - John
dogbox said
01:22 PM Jan 31, 2018
rockylizard wrote:
Gday...
Are you sure about that Dogbox?
I am aware Fortesque Metals Group has joined with ANZ to provide upto $50Million as 'finance' (loans) for indigenous businesses that work with, for or want to work with, for Fortesque.
Are ya able to find a link to the article you refer to where Fortesque is going to spend $2billion actually EMPLOYING businesses/contractors/employees?
Cheers - John
fortescue's billion opportunities program has awarded 250 contracts and subcontracts to107 aboriginal businesses and joint ventures totalling almost $A2.0 billion
that is copy of what is written in their DEC 2017 quarterly report as read form asx release posted on comsec
it also states that 15% of its workforce is aboriginal
-- Edited by dogbox on Wednesday 31st of January 2018 02:30:26 PM
rockylizard said
01:36 PM Jan 31, 2018
Gday...
TA Dogbox
However, that is $2billion (gross) being awarded to contracts for work to be provided. I am sure you understand that the net profit to the contractors/sub-contractors for that $2billion worth of contracts may only be 10% or so profit - rather than $2billion going to communities ... or even that 10% profit.
Fortescue has always been an active employer of indigenous workers - but wages go to individuals and their families rather to the community's assets/income.
Cheers - John
dogbox said
01:55 PM Jan 31, 2018
even if the profit was only 10% still a lot of money an if the companies awarded the contracts are local a lot of that money would be spent locally as opposed to Sydney or perth companies that use fifo expertise an the money goes elsewhere so( as with the example of the painting) the locals are part of it, an less dependant on welfare people start to see the benefits of having a job and money in their pockets the next generation may be the big winners
-- Edited by dogbox on Wednesday 31st of January 2018 02:34:50 PM
Craig1 said
09:28 PM Feb 1, 2018
sounds good to me doggie, just like any other Australian business employing Australians, they get the contract, they employ people, they earn wages, they pay tax, the business pays tax and spends on associated services. No one needs any " sit down money". good on ya Twiggie
Gday...
Given these figures, it is fairly obvious why there is a 'constant push' to make funding for the 'aged' and 'health' to be made more sustainable.
I guess we can continue to look forward to hearing how we are such a drain on society. 
However, on the same figures ... why is there such a high profile given to the need to curtail spending on the 'unemployed'.
Cheers - John
Interest paid on loans to shore up the Budget is a big number also... Immigration probably includes the Camps on Nauru and Manus..
-- Edited by Big Gorilla on Tuesday 23rd of January 2018 04:44:54 PM
Another vote for Craig 1, billions of dollars for new submarines & a space base in Arnhem Land.
We're such a pathetic country on a world stage. Our indigenous population have needed massive funding for health, education & housing for decades.
We need to look after our own back yard first. In reality it's our FRONT yard. What a ridiculous long term situation!
As usual nothing of any substance will ever get done. Words are cheap, we'd like to help in a limited way. Priority number one.
-- Edited by Desert Dweller on Wednesday 24th of January 2018 05:42:32 AM
I am a bit perplexed. 387,000,000. Thats peanuts. What i would like to see is a total breakdown of spending.
it says Spending for average tax payer but what about all the other expenses, like pollies wages etc. what catagory is that under. And many other expenditures.
would be interesting to c the lot And it would be interesting to know the total monies that come in each year. Guess i am just a bit of an accountant at heart. Enjoy working with figures.
$387 billion.
I not really fussed how much gets spent on the indigenous population provided it was for their benefit an not on all of the fringe industries that surround them that use the funds up mostly in admin costs with not a lot benefit for the people who need it
one example in a remote country town(nsw) mostly indigenous residents government housing needed a coat of paint the contractor brought the labour from Sydney while the locals sat under a tree collecting welfare bye the time they finished painting the houses the first ones where just about ready to be done again I would have thought it would be dollar wise to train a team of locals to do the job as required just think of how much It cost in admin fees to get the job done ex Sydney with all the middle men involved
I am with Dogbox about outside waste and the lack of true results. There is an excellent article from Jacinta Nampijinpa Price ( Alice Springs Councillor) in today's Herald Sun. Seems to make a lot of sense to me. Cheers Craig
What do companies pay. Strange that's missing.
What do companies pay. Strange that's missing.
while the miners with creative accounting pay less an the likes of ikea an other large foreign companies pay almost nothing
just read that fortesque metals spent 2 billion dollars employing indigenous companies and sub-contractors in their mines and associated businesses that is a lot of money going into the communities in the area or is it going to the sauvy few an the rest can go jump???
Gday...
Are you sure about that Dogbox?
I am aware Fortesque Metals Group has joined with ANZ to provide upto $50Million as 'finance' (loans) for indigenous businesses that work with, for or want to work with, for Fortesque.
http://www.fmgl.com.au/in-the-news/media-releases/2017/09/29/fortescue-and-anz-launch-new-funding-model-to-support-aboriginal-businesses
Are ya able to find a link to the article you refer to where Fortesque is going to spend $2billion actually EMPLOYING businesses/contractors/employees?
Cheers - John
fortescue's billion opportunities program has awarded 250 contracts and subcontracts to107 aboriginal businesses and joint ventures totalling almost $A2.0 billion
that is copy of what is written in their DEC 2017 quarterly report as read form asx release posted on comsec
it also states that 15% of its workforce is aboriginal
-- Edited by dogbox on Wednesday 31st of January 2018 02:30:26 PM
Gday...
TA Dogbox
However, that is $2billion (gross) being awarded to contracts for work to be provided. I am sure you understand that the net profit to the contractors/sub-contractors for that $2billion worth of contracts may only be 10% or so profit - rather than $2billion going to communities ... or even that 10% profit.
Fortescue has always been an active employer of indigenous workers - but wages go to individuals and their families rather to the community's assets/income.
Cheers - John
-- Edited by dogbox on Wednesday 31st of January 2018 02:34:50 PM