Van arrives Febuary so will be doing local trips most of this year to get use to it but will be doing longer trips later this year and into the future where working on farms and possible house or Farm sitting. If I get a Police Clearance from NSW which is where I have live all my life is it accepted in all states and how long do they last ?
Thanks looking forward to see people on the road.
Mackayak
brickies said
07:40 AM Jan 21, 2018
What is a Police clearance
matildatraveller said
07:48 AM Jan 21, 2018
Hi Macka, first a very warm welcome to our 'Travellers World' on the Grey Nomads site.
There is a National Police certification and the link is attached. www.veritascheck.com.au/
I have been on the road myself since May 2016 and travel in a 4X4 Toyota Hilux with a fully self contained slide-on camper on the back for convenience and 4 wheel track accessibility.
Hopefully this website is helpful, take care and safe travels. Gwynnie
As the states and their police forces are totally independent a "national" check would be quite an undertaking and require cooperation from all forces and probably be quite expensive.
For some inexplicable reason the ACT police offer, what they term, a "National Police Check" yet clearly state it can only be made for ACT residents and a few other special groups:
Whether they check only their ACT records or also *all* the state's records is not stated but my money is on ACT and federal only.
These people:
https://www.nationalcrimecheck.com.au/
offer a separate check for each state (with separate fees no doubt). I'd like to know how come a commercial organisation has access to police record!? But that's another story.
It looks to me that all the on-line people simply slap a few dollars on top of the police force fee for doing these checks so you may be better off going to the state force directly.
So, is there a truly *national* police check? Damned if I can tell for sure.
Edit: Typo
-- Edited by Mike Harding on Sunday 21st of January 2018 09:45:14 AM
Dunmowin said
08:22 AM Jan 21, 2018
We arranged our police check in WA in 2014. Have presented it for house, farmsitting,caretaking roles ever since, in Qld, NSW, Vic & Tas.
dorian said
10:08 AM Jan 21, 2018
brickies wrote:
What is a Police clearance
... and how much are they going for? I reckon a Constable would look good hanging on my wall.
villatranquilla said
10:53 AM Jan 21, 2018
they are considered 'good' for 3 yrs but the reality is they are only good till the date it is processed. I believe they also give prospective employers a false sense of security because they only record convictions and most 'petty' theft is not charged/ convicted or recorded. Most farms where we have worked or farm sat have not required a police clearance or ID. Silly them. One of these farms actually housed the Stocco's for 3 mths. while we were there.
While each police check is done via a state authority I believe they are crossed checked Australia wide before processing
-- Edited by villatranquilla on Sunday 21st of January 2018 10:55:03 AM
The Belmont Bear said
12:02 PM Jan 21, 2018
The only experience I had with a police clearance was when I needed one to apply for a workinng visa in South Africa. It was only a matter of walking into the local NSW police station being finger printed,computer checked and paying the fee. I wasn,t aware that it lasted for any specified period of time I just thought that it was a one off thing. I was also under the impression that it was a national check but maybe that was a wrong assuption. I never really thought about them being used by itinerant workers as a referrence which is ok but I would still be a little cautious as an employer accepting them as being gospel. In reality they are only a snapshot of a persons status at a particular point in time. By the way people will only have a record if they have been caught and found guilty of comitting an offence there are plenty of shady characters running around out there who havent.....yet.
-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Sunday 21st of January 2018 12:06:38 PM
Mackayak said
12:40 PM Jan 21, 2018
Thanks that has answered my question and my local post office will do them. I did mean the police cheek to so your back ground as it has come up a few times on sits if you are house sitting or farm sitting and if I had some one doing this I would like to have some idea of what they were like plus some reference I could check.
Dickodownunder said
12:49 PM Jan 21, 2018
Many jobs these days require the employee to have a current police check.
If I was contemplating house sitting etc, I would get a police clearance in the state in which I lived and I would ask for a reference from each of the owners / managers at each sit.
After a time you will have a good list of contacts as well as written references to be able to provided to future employers.
Happy travels
ABNER said
01:59 PM Jan 21, 2018
Hi Mike, there is a National Police Check, but they will not issue one one unless you are applying for a specific position which requires it. A Police cetificate is required for a check on your character at that time in that State. Most Organisations will only accept Cert's that are less than3 months old, such as the Ambulance Volunteers etc.
Bob.
brickies said
03:28 PM Jan 21, 2018
In Queensland i had a Blue card which allowed me to worh around children to get a blue card a police check was done , All this check does is see if you had any convictions which may mean you haven't been caught yet .
Desert Dweller said
03:54 PM Jan 21, 2018
I had to get a Working With Children Check (police) when I worked as a School Crossing Supervisor before my wife retired 2 years after me.
Possum3 said
04:33 PM Jan 21, 2018
It is a State Based system and Mandatory for working with or around children/nursing homes. You can get an AFP check but will still need State police check for Blue or Orange cards In most cases the employer will submit the forms on your behalf and pay the cost of the Card/s, you will have to provide certified Passport photo's and support documents.
Roving-Dutchy said
04:52 PM Jan 21, 2018
If you need a working with children certificate in NSW it can be applied for online and if it is a voluntary position it is free, but if a paid position you will more than likely have to pay for same yourself.
Cheers
David
rockylizard said
04:56 PM Jan 21, 2018
The Belmont Bear wrote:
SNIP~~~. In reality they are only a snapshot of a persons status at a particular point in time. By the way people will only have a record if they have been caught and found guilty of committing an offence there are plenty of shady characters running around out there who haven't.....yet.
Gday...
Unfortunately, you are spot on Dave.
Very much like a driving licence isn't it
Only as good as the day it was issued - provides no indication of the possessor of the licence after the date of issue. And just because a person is driving a vehicle, does not mean they even have a licence.
cheers - John
jules47 said
07:07 PM Jan 21, 2018
I had to have a Blue Card - in QLD - I was volunteering at the local Community Centre, and the Visitors Info Centre. The Com. Centre was also a Centrelink Agent, and when some changes with Centrelink, we had to get a Federal Police check, which was organised by Centrelink. They cost me nothing.
Joe50 said
01:37 AM Jan 22, 2018
I had a Qld Blue Card when volunteering at Meals on Wheels, which they paid for. But when it expired and I was travelling full time I rang the people who issued it and they said I couldn't 'renew' it - I could only get another one if working/volunteering with an organisation that required it.
Joe
HandyWalter said
07:42 AM Jan 22, 2018
In Victoria, If your record is less than 10years old, then even convictions without record are listed. I have seen many reports with that on them. After 10 years, only those convictions WITH record are shown IF they are of a serious nature and applicable for the job the person seeks. Ie Working with Children. Otherwise the record is "clean"
brickies said
07:53 AM Jan 22, 2018
IF you don't want to work we dont need one .
deverall11 said
09:25 AM Jan 22, 2018
Got ours some years back in WA and paid $55 each from Post office. Having lived all my life in NSW except for a handful of years, I thought this was nothing more than
a scam for a few bucks.
This is a piece of paper that basically states that what ever crimes you have committed you have not yet been caught.
However, it makes some people feel warm and fuzzy and gives them a false sense of security.
Good luck.
Larry
brickies said
09:51 AM Jan 22, 2018
Larry that sum it up
Dickodownunder said
11:35 AM Jan 22, 2018
The company I owned had contracts for work in Aged Care, Hospitals, and Schools and all my employees who did this work had to have a Police Clearance before they would be permitted on site.
Some may think it is a scam but it does sort out individuals that have been proven to be a risk in those areas.
There is no system that will prevent any member of the public from taking up child molesting tomorrow, nor is there a system that will detect a person who has committed a crime who has not been caught yet.
I personally thought they were great because if I were to employ a new person I would suggest that they supply a Police Clearance or be prepared to have one and found that anyone hiding anything seemed to all of a sudden "find another job"
Because my employees were at some time, in private homes and offices, quite often the client would ask if they could trust the employee that they were letting into their home etc and the police check provided at least some security for them.
Brickies is correct that if you are retired and do not intend to be employed then you can keep your $60 odd dollars in your pocket.
brickies said
12:09 PM Jan 22, 2018
Geoff I did have one when My wife was in the childcare game , I didn't work there but visited from time to time , But has we have said no use getting one unless you have the use for one ,
Dickodownunder said
01:13 PM Jan 22, 2018
brickies wrote:
Geoff I did have one when My wife was in the childcare game , I didn't work there but visited from time to time , But has we have said no use getting one unless you have the use for one ,
Spot on brickies,
The clearance I have would have expired by now as well and I hope I never have to go to work again so like you, I wont be renewing mine.
BigRig said
05:32 PM Jan 29, 2018
I had no trouble getting mine from NSW & that was ok to get my US Visa.
When I renew (every 5yrs) just answer all questions & as long as there is NO changes & my prints are up to date(10yrs.
Hi
Van arrives Febuary so will be doing local trips most of this year to get use to it but will be doing longer trips later this year and into the future where working on farms and possible house or Farm sitting. If I get a Police Clearance from NSW which is where I have live all my life is it accepted in all states and how long do they last ?
Thanks looking forward to see people on the road.
Mackayak
Hi Macka, first a very warm welcome to our 'Travellers World' on the Grey Nomads site.
There is a National Police certification and the link is attached. www.veritascheck.com.au/
I have been on the road myself since May 2016 and travel in a 4X4 Toyota Hilux with a fully self contained slide-on camper on the back for convenience and 4 wheel track accessibility.
Hopefully this website is helpful, take care and safe travels. Gwynnie
>What is a Police clearance
A very good question.
As the states and their police forces are totally independent a "national" check would be quite an undertaking and require cooperation from all forces and probably be quite expensive.
For some inexplicable reason the ACT police offer, what they term, a "National Police Check" yet clearly state it can only be made for ACT residents and a few other special groups:
https://www.afp.gov.au/what-we-do/services/criminal-records/national-police-checks#national-police-certificates
Whether they check only their ACT records or also *all* the state's records is not stated but my money is on ACT and federal only.
These people:
https://www.nationalcrimecheck.com.au/
offer a separate check for each state (with separate fees no doubt). I'd like to know how come a commercial organisation has access to police record!? But that's another story.
It looks to me that all the on-line people simply slap a few dollars on top of the police force fee for doing these checks so you may be better off going to the state force directly.
So, is there a truly *national* police check? Damned if I can tell for sure.
Edit: Typo
-- Edited by Mike Harding on Sunday 21st of January 2018 09:45:14 AM
We arranged our police check in WA in 2014. Have presented it for house, farmsitting,caretaking roles ever since, in Qld, NSW, Vic & Tas.
... and how much are they going for? I reckon a Constable would look good hanging on my wall.
they are considered 'good' for 3 yrs but the reality is they are only good till the date it is processed. I believe they also give prospective employers a false sense of security because they only record convictions and most 'petty' theft is not charged/ convicted or recorded. Most farms where we have worked or farm sat have not required a police clearance or ID. Silly them. One of these farms actually housed the Stocco's for 3 mths. while we were there.
While each police check is done via a state authority I believe they are crossed checked Australia wide before processing
-- Edited by villatranquilla on Sunday 21st of January 2018 10:55:03 AM
The only experience I had with a police clearance was when I needed one to apply for a workinng visa in South Africa. It was only a matter of walking into the local NSW police station being finger printed,computer checked and paying the fee. I wasn,t aware that it lasted for any specified period of time I just thought that it was a one off thing. I was also under the impression that it was a national check but maybe that was a wrong assuption. I never really thought about them being used by itinerant workers as a referrence which is ok but I would still be a little cautious as an employer accepting them as being gospel. In reality they are only a snapshot of a persons status at a particular point in time. By the way people will only have a record if they have been caught and found guilty of comitting an offence there are plenty of shady characters running around out there who havent.....yet.
-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Sunday 21st of January 2018 12:06:38 PM
If I was contemplating house sitting etc, I would get a police clearance in the state in which I lived and I would ask for a reference from each of the owners / managers at each sit.
After a time you will have a good list of contacts as well as written references to be able to provided to future employers.
Happy travels
Hi Mike, there is a National Police Check, but they will not issue one one unless you are applying for a specific position which requires it. A Police cetificate is required for a check on your character at that time in that State. Most Organisations will only accept Cert's that are less than3 months old, such as the Ambulance Volunteers etc.
Bob.
Cheers
David
Gday...
Unfortunately, you are spot on Dave.
Very much like a driving licence isn't it
Only as good as the day it was issued - provides no indication of the possessor of the licence after the date of issue. And just because a person is driving a vehicle, does not mean they even have a licence.
cheers - John
Joe
a scam for a few bucks.
This is a piece of paper that basically states that what ever crimes you have committed you have not yet been caught.
However, it makes some people feel warm and fuzzy and gives them a false sense of security.
Good luck.
Larry
Some may think it is a scam but it does sort out individuals that have been proven to be a risk in those areas.
There is no system that will prevent any member of the public from taking up child molesting tomorrow, nor is there a system that will detect a person who has committed a crime who has not been caught yet.
I personally thought they were great because if I were to employ a new person I would suggest that they supply a Police Clearance or be prepared to have one and found that anyone hiding anything seemed to all of a sudden "find another job"
Because my employees were at some time, in private homes and offices, quite often the client would ask if they could trust the employee that they were letting into their home etc and the police check provided at least some security for them.
Brickies is correct that if you are retired and do not intend to be employed then you can keep your $60 odd dollars in your pocket.
Spot on brickies,
The clearance I have would have expired by now as well and I hope I never have to go to work again so like you, I wont be renewing mine.
I had no trouble getting mine from NSW & that was ok to get my US Visa.
When I renew (every 5yrs) just answer all questions & as long as there is NO changes & my prints are up to date(10yrs.