Dubbo crash leaves two dead, three trapped on Newell Highway...
kiwijims said
02:34 PM Jan 16, 2018
Eight ambulances and three helicopters have been sent to the scene of a multi-vehicle crash near Dubbo, where two people have been killed and several others remain trapped.
Not much use to be sorry afterwards. Authorities need to take licenses away, forever.
Iza
adreamer said
05:55 PM Jan 16, 2018
When was the last time anyone saw a highway patrol? This use to be resourced by the State Highways Department I think.
Not sure if they even operate anymore, but use to see them up and down Stuart Highway and Nullarbor quite often, they checked log books etc. Not sure what other powers they had but it seemed effective, still times have changed and more pressure is on the truckie to get from depot to depot.
Helen
blaze said
06:57 PM Jan 16, 2018
pressure dosnt give you the right to kill people or take drugs, just saying
cheers
blaze
adreamer said
07:28 PM Jan 16, 2018
blaze wrote:
pressure dosnt give you the right to kill people or take drugs, just saying cheers blaze
Blaze, I never literally meant pressure gave the right to anyone to kill and I never mentioned drugs and I am not sticking up for bad or illegal behaviour in the Transport Industry.
Give a constructive input and don't be so illiterate or childish.
Helen
Dickodownunder said
08:21 PM Jan 16, 2018
My sincere condolences to all that have lost loved ones, family and friends in this incident.
My thoughts are with all that may have been affected by this disasterous event.
I hope that this respect can be extended by most on this forum and not have this topic just turn into another truck driver bashing thread that is so common by some on here.
reglynn said
09:05 PM Jan 16, 2018
I to do agree with you Dicko, in what you have said.
Our thoughts go with those as well.
dogbox said
10:27 AM Jan 17, 2018
Dickodownunder wrote:
My sincere condolences to all that have lost loved ones, family and friends in this incident.
My thoughts are with all that may have been affected by this disasterous event.
I hope that this respect can be extended by most on this forum and not have this topic just turn into another truck driver bashing thread that is so common by some on here.
I hope your right lets not lose focus on what has happened many peoples lives will be altered someone will be held accountable an their life an their family lives will be devastated as well as those who perished and their families
Oka374 said
07:55 AM Jan 18, 2018
I think the problem is that here in Oz we have allowed the trucking industry to take over the bulk of of freight, most developed countries ship the bulk of their freight by rail and trucks deliver it at the end. We've shut down much of our rail and it can no longer compete. We've had friends from several countries around the world stay at our place and they are amazed that the main north railway line is only one track! One bloke from China was amazed that the train trip from Sydney to Dungog would take longer than 45 minutes as that was what a 200km trip would take in China on a main line.
Don't get me started about the size of the trucks and the weight they are allowed to carry here in Oz compared to other developed countries, very rare to see anything bigger than a single semi in the US and Canada and they aren't allowed to carry as much weight either. In many places a max speed of 80kph for heavy vehicles as well, combined with a max of 8 hours behind the wheel in 24 that would get freight back on the rail!
Another interesting thing from the Chinese fella, he was amazed at the number of utes in Oz, apparently in China they aren't allowed full stop for public use.
Tony Bev said
08:10 AM Jan 18, 2018
I passed through that section of road, going north, about one hour before the tragic accident
RIP to all who were killed
I put it in road conditions section, as soon as I heard, to warn anyone traveling on Newell Highway north of Dubbo, that day
The boss observed that there were plenty of road work signs up, (in NSW), and no road works going on, perhaps the truckie had started to ignore the signs
I can only say, to be careful
DeBe said
10:34 AM Jan 18, 2018
We've shut down much of our rail and it can no longer compete... 30 years ago rail freight was a nightmare & slow. My uncle had an Ammunition factory in Broken Hill, it would take weeks to get rail freight to Sydney, so he used Road freight & it was there next day. The rail system killed its self.
aussie_paul said
10:38 AM Jan 18, 2018
DeBe wrote:
We've shut down much of our rail and it can no longer compete... 30 years ago rail freight was a nightmare & slow. My uncle had an Ammunition factory in Broken Hill, it would take weeks to get rail freight to Sydney, so he used Road freight & it was there next day. The rail system killed its self.
We've shut down much of our rail and it can no longer compete... 30 years ago rail freight was a nightmare & slow. My uncle had an Ammunition factory in Broken Hill, it would take weeks to get rail freight to Sydney, so he used Road freight & it was there next day. The rail system killed its self.
Gday...
The rail system was not responsible for its own demise.
Initially, the fledgling trucking industry in the 1950's and early 1960s, lobbied governments of the day - mainly State but also Federal - telling they were able to do a better job than rail. They backed up their words and matched, and sometimes, beat the rail network.
Governments, all colours, considered the rail system, which took considerable capital and infrastructure spending to keep up, let alone grow, was not a 'valuable' use of taxpayer money - given what the fledgling trucking industry demonstrated
Therefore from the mid-1960s onward, all state and federal governments cut spending on rail stock, maintenance and staff. The end result is that all the rail systems in Straya, both country, passenger, city, and particularly freight have fallen out of favour.
The cost to the taxpayer to now rejuvenate the rail system ... and grow the rail system ... is prohibitive.
However, to give some food for thought. Have people ever noticed that the big mining companies build their OWN rail lines to freight their ore etc. They rarely use trucks. They know that the investment in good infrastructure and rail stock is more efficient and effective than trucking ... and they can control those costs.
To be honest, it is Straya, though our governments, that has lost a valuable freight and passenger system.
cheers - John
dogbox said
10:11 AM Jan 19, 2018
there use to be a co-ord tax that use charge anyone moving freight in nsw(permit required) a fee to move freight within nsw that could be moved by rail in a lot of cases it was cheaper to send it out of state then back or in the case of large ship cargo consignments they where delivered to interstate ports then sent back to nsw countrytowns as interstate freight
this thread is getting way off topic
-- Edited by dogbox on Friday 19th of January 2018 10:13:01 AM
Peter Rose said
07:52 AM Jan 22, 2018
Going back to the 70's I used to send goods around the country. Rail was the most cost effective on face value but unfortunately a very large percentage of the freight disappeared en route. So we stopped using Rail.
Maybe this was a contributing factor in the demise of Rail Freight.
A high speed dedicated freight rail line between major city's would be a good infrastructure project for Government to build !
But it seems The only thing they will build is the amount of Hot air they expel !
rockylizard said
08:05 AM Jan 22, 2018
Peter Rose wrote:
SNIP~~~ A high speed dedicated freight rail line between major city's would be a good infrastructure project for Government to build ! But it seems The only thing they will build is the amount of Hot air they expel !
-- Edited by rockylizard on Monday 22nd of January 2018 08:08:00 AM
Aus-Kiwi said
08:46 AM Jan 22, 2018
Everyone is in such a hurry these days !! Another... Just concentrating on speed alone and not driving or careful analysis of conditions is the result!!
jules47 said
01:26 PM Jan 22, 2018
They are just re-opening the line through Avoca, northward and south to Maryborough. So much work, bit of agro with farmers fighting to keep their roads open, replacing sections of the rail, installing flashing lights and boom gates at some.
Tony Bev said
08:41 PM Jan 30, 2018
I was on this section of road today 30/1/2018, going north to south They now have three rumble strip/bumps, at each end of the roadworks
I saw the skid marks from the cars, which would have been pushed with their brakes on I did not see any heavy truck skid marks
I have been off the net for a while, does anyone know, how the tragedy happened
Eight ambulances and three helicopters have been sent to the scene of a multi-vehicle crash near Dubbo, where two people have been killed and several others remain trapped.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-16/nsw-police-say-two-dead-in-dubbo-crash/9333390
K.J.
Maybe they do need retesting every 5 years with renewal and drug testing before every trip.
Here's another example
au.news.yahoo.com/a/38610240/melbourne-truckie-sobs-in-court-as-he-pleads-guilty/
Iza
When was the last time anyone saw a highway patrol? This use to be resourced by the State Highways Department I think.
Not sure if they even operate anymore, but use to see them up and down Stuart Highway and Nullarbor quite often, they checked log books etc. Not sure what other powers they had but it seemed effective, still times have changed and more pressure is on the truckie to get from depot to depot.
Helen
cheers
blaze
Blaze, I never literally meant pressure gave the right to anyone to kill and I never mentioned drugs and I am not sticking up for bad or illegal behaviour in the Transport Industry.
Give a constructive input and don't be so illiterate or childish.
Helen
My thoughts are with all that may have been affected by this disasterous event.
I hope that this respect can be extended by most on this forum and not have this topic just turn into another truck driver bashing thread that is so common by some on here.
I to do agree with you Dicko, in what you have said.
Our thoughts go with those as well.
I hope your right lets not lose focus on what has happened many peoples lives will be altered someone will be held accountable an their life an their family lives
will be devastated as well as those who perished and their families
Don't get me started about the size of the trucks and the weight they are allowed to carry here in Oz compared to other developed countries, very rare to see anything bigger than a single semi in the US and Canada and they aren't allowed to carry as much weight either. In many places a max speed of 80kph for heavy vehicles as well, combined with a max of 8 hours behind the wheel in 24 that would get freight back on the rail!
Another interesting thing from the Chinese fella, he was amazed at the number of utes in Oz, apparently in China they aren't allowed full stop for public use.
RIP to all who were killed
I put it in road conditions section, as soon as I heard, to warn anyone traveling on Newell Highway north of Dubbo, that day
The boss observed that there were plenty of road work signs up, (in NSW), and no road works going on, perhaps the truckie had started to ignore the signs
I can only say, to be careful
Absolutely DeBe.
Aussie Paul.
Gday...
The rail system was not responsible for its own demise.
Initially, the fledgling trucking industry in the 1950's and early 1960s, lobbied governments of the day - mainly State but also Federal - telling they were able to do a better job than rail. They backed up their words and matched, and sometimes, beat the rail network.
Governments, all colours, considered the rail system, which took considerable capital and infrastructure spending to keep up, let alone grow, was not a 'valuable' use of taxpayer money - given what the fledgling trucking industry demonstrated
Therefore from the mid-1960s onward, all state and federal governments cut spending on rail stock, maintenance and staff. The end result is that all the rail systems in Straya, both country, passenger, city, and particularly freight have fallen out of favour.
The cost to the taxpayer to now rejuvenate the rail system ... and grow the rail system ... is prohibitive.
However, to give some food for thought. Have people ever noticed that the big mining companies build their OWN rail lines to freight their ore etc. They rarely use trucks. They know that the investment in good infrastructure and rail stock is more efficient and effective than trucking ... and they can control those costs.
To be honest, it is Straya, though our governments, that has lost a valuable freight and passenger system.
cheers - John
this thread is getting way off topic
-- Edited by dogbox on Friday 19th of January 2018 10:13:01 AM
Maybe this was a contributing factor in the demise of Rail Freight.
A high speed dedicated freight rail line between major city's would be a good infrastructure project for Government to build !
But it seems The only thing they will build is the amount of Hot air they expel !
Gday...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-11/inland-rail-what-you-need-to-know/9240946
https://inlandrail.artc.com.au/mediareleases
https://inlandrail.artc.com.au/
Cheers - John
-- Edited by rockylizard on Monday 22nd of January 2018 08:08:00 AM
I was on this section of road today 30/1/2018, going north to south
They now have three rumble strip/bumps, at each end of the roadworks
I saw the skid marks from the cars, which would have been pushed with their brakes on
I did not see any heavy truck skid marks
I have been off the net for a while, does anyone know, how the tragedy happened