i have a 2015 colorado dual cab with steel tray only done 30000 klms from new, i need to remove all suspension and replace with ?????????
i will be towing a 22ft caravan around Australia , the tray of the tug will have a constant load of 500kg
the van weighs 3000kg fully loaded
looking for suspension that will give 50 mm lift and be capable of handling dirt corrugations
can any one give me advice ?? i have been told to go old man emu coil springs with air bags ??
i would appreciate any suggestions
regards geoff
jontee said
09:32 AM Nov 7, 2017
G`day Geoff,
Your Colorado does not have coil springs it has leaf springs. I would talk to some of the suspension specialists like Iron Man or The Ultimate Suspension.
Cheers,
Jontee
macka17 said
10:24 AM Nov 7, 2017
Geoff.
I'd be looking at your weight limits for towing. Drawabar and carrying in veh first.
IF you look at 95% of towing recommendations. here and elsewhere. The MAX figure to tow behind ANY modern ute is 2.5ton.... Regardless of MFG's Paper figures..
Specially if it's a tray top. which are even lighter.
The Recommended. (BUT not legal yet) figure in this country for towing any load. with any vehicle. Is a Minimum of 10% LESS than your tow veh's weight. No matter what size\weight scale they are.
Most try to keep it much more. I bought a smaller lighter van. 1.85t with a D-Max that goes over the scales at 2.5 to 2.7 ish ton loaded.
A 3 ton trailer Should have basically. (the only ones that weigh that much) a Patrol or Toyota cruiser. OR light truck or US Ute,
the above can\will slide a Tray UTE of your size. ALL over the road. when things go wrong in any way.
IE Just hitting a corner too fast. Braking suddenly, swerving to miss a roo, etc etc.
Suspension. Fit EFS Shockers all round. They don't blow seals on Corrugations.
Coilover front?. Fit "progressive rate" coils on them. 1 rating up.
Torsion bar.. Ironman the better upgrade on them I reckon.
Coils rear. Progressive again. They have the soft starter section to negate the savageness of deep corrugations, with full strength for actual load after tat. Gives a much softer ride on all roads too.
Leaf rears. STD are going to be "nasty". Regardless.
What a lot of serious travallers\Dirt riders do. is put extended shackles on for lift. And\or, incorporate in leaf pack too.
Get a better quality Leaf pack with softer rating. (Progressive again) and fit Either AIR bags with PROPER chassis mountings. LOOONG. or Ironman Half leaf springs that leave your soft rating at beginning. but take full load when you drop\bounce, that far. (I have them) ---------------
Unfortunately. You are one of those that has bought before asking.
Others on here will come in too. The ones with that rig measurements will SAY it's ok. (IE Van heavier than tug)
Most others will say otherwise.
the Scalies (Highways) will put you right when they put you over the scales.
Whoops.
Have a gud won hey.
-- Edited by macka17 on Tuesday 7th of November 2017 10:27:19 AM
Aus-Kiwi said
10:32 AM Nov 7, 2017
Even our Explorer Winnebago is going in to get its rear springs to be progersssive . Leaf springs are far too hard for Aust out back roads . Strange that we actually need to soften suspension when most have issues being too soft . We have air assist suspension to compensate . A hard suspension on initial bump causes bad harmonics through cabin on our out back roads .The first 70mm travel needs to be softer. A more progressive spring rate . Tried various shocks . Didnât help . Lower tyre pressures helped . Tyre temps started getting high .
Peter_n_Margaret said
10:43 AM Nov 7, 2017
Aus-Kiwi wrote:
Leaf springs are far too hard for Aust out back roads .
Not so.
They simply need to be appropriately designed for the application.
Cheers,
Peter
Aus-Kiwi said
12:02 PM Nov 7, 2017
Yep thatâs why they are being changed . Actually so far just cut the two lower leafs shoterer . To give a supple ride . The air side just keeps ride height . Only 5 Lb .
sandgrooper1 said
12:47 PM Nov 7, 2017
Hi Geoff,
I have the sister vehicle to yours, a 2012 Isuzu Dmax, and replaced the suspension completely with Tough Dog components as supplied and fitted by Opposite Lock.
The system has been on four years now and no problems. I was very happy with the result after changing, the car was like chalk and cheese. It feels much safer and composed with the change and there is now clearance between the bump stops and the springs even with the van hitched on.
You will find you have leaf springs on the rear and coil overs shocks on the front. If you intend to keep the car for an extended period then a full swap over is a good idea, I will admit my ute is heavy as it has long range tank, canopy, rear drawers etc. Mine lifted about 70 mm in the back and 50 mm at the front
I would do it again in a heartbeat given how it changed the car.
For what it is worth, in my opinion I do not recommend bandaid part fix solutions....sometimes they don't work too well.....be prepared to spend the money on a decent reputable system.
Although, the article refers to overloading utes rather than complete suspension upgrades.
Cheers - John
-- Edited by rockylizard on Tuesday 7th of November 2017 01:04:53 PM
boab said
01:37 PM Nov 7, 2017
John there are numerous articles on dual cabs and towing and bent chassis i dont know if a suspension upgrade would stop them bending i think if i had a dual cab i would be looking to strengthen the chassis first and having the tow bar modified so it was fixed as far forward along the chassis rails as possible i am not an engineer but it would be devastating to get half way through a trip and find you have major repair work to be done and i also know there are thousands of people with dual cabs that have never had a problem
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Peter_n_Margaret said
02:04 PM Nov 7, 2017
Aus-Kiwi wrote:
Yep thatâs why they are being changed . Actually so far just cut the two lower leafs shoterer . To give a supple ride . The air side just keeps ride height . Only 5 Lb .
A good recipe for breaking leaves.
Cheers,
Peter
sandgrooper1 said
04:48 PM Nov 7, 2017
Hi,
Air bags on a leaf sprung vehicle are not a great idea in my humble opinion. The reason for saying this is that when fitted with airbags(I am assuming they are fitted to carry heavy weights) they load up points on the chassis that were never designed by the manufacturer to carry the load. You have a major load on two points only as well.
The original leaf springs which can be replaced with more suitable items still spread the load over four points and hence load points designed by the manufacturer.
The airbag idea provides an serious point of weakness so potentially chassis can bend if under too much load.
Cheers AL
Big Mal said
05:21 PM Nov 7, 2017
I have a 2013 Colorado dual cab tray, tows about 22ft 2.8t van which in my opinion with a loaded tug is really about max on the GCM but anyway I tossed the OE suspension and fitted a Blue Max set up front and rear and find it does a great job, I only have to medium set up which is more than enough for the front end as I only have a bar, no winch but possibly could have gone HD springs on the rear, the set up is good and provides a good ride empty or loaded and actually gives a better ride on the rougher stuff, done around 50,000K and all good.............Air bages are okay if used properly but aren't really needed with a good spring/shock set up plus the extra cost is lot for little............if you need to add bags you haven't got the right suspension set up or are well and truly overloaded.
Is a lot more cost effective than ARB etc as you aren't paying for a badge, after sales service is good as well.....bluemax.com.au
toglhot said
05:31 PM Nov 7, 2017
If you lift the vehicle by 50mm, its not going to make any difference to the diff height. I think the only thing that will change is you may need a milk crate to stand on to get in the door.
Offsider said
05:54 PM Nov 7, 2017
G'day Geoff. I have a 2012 Collie that now has 96K km on it. 11K km ago I replaced all the suspension with Dobinsons brand at my local TJM dealer. 50 mm lift and a constant 300 kg load.
The price was way better than all the others that I got from the main players.
I have towed a 1900 kg caravan and loaded ute - all up 5985 kg - from Bundy to Perth. We are not tar babies, so did the dirty hard bits across NT and WA. This upgrade gave us a really good ride and the ute and van are level when hitched. I have had airbags previously on another vehicle and I cannot recommend them.
I hope this helps with your decision.
macka17 said
06:36 PM Nov 7, 2017
Air bags by themselves . Asking for problems.
Modifies LEAF springs. IE Lighter. less leaves in pack. While being longer with extended shackles.
Gives a lot more controlled movement.
The Airbags. TUNED to suit. with Loong formed rails along chassis rail. Spread the load nicely.
and even out the bounce attle on corrugations.
DUAL shocks better again. (simple with a welder.)
I've seen a lot in comp done that way. Alternatively Remove Leaf susp and replace with coil.
it's NOT too hard really Again lots have.
Plenty of Info in 4WD mag's and on net.
And if you intend doing lots of Northern\Central corrugations.
You ARE basically going into competition (Rally) driving anyway, Believe me.
That's why we have always used KING springs and EFS shocks. (Rallying)
NEVER had any problems. Nor with heavy Van rig .
3 ton each pretty much. Car\Van. over a lot of yrs.
Still do run them..
Aus-Kiwi said
08:16 PM Nov 7, 2017
Carrols springs know what they are doing . They fixed mine . As said mine was too firm to start with . The fix was much easier .
boab said
10:19 PM Nov 7, 2017
Agree entirely Aus-Kiwi had similar done to mine
blaze said
10:23 PM Nov 7, 2017
I reckon all caravans should be towed by old b61 macks, plenty of sticks to play with, tow a good load and look good with a pic on the old cooling vanes for the grill. couple of smiles here and a laugh my arse off
cheers
blaze
ps
scotch is good for the soul
mezza56 said
08:05 AM Nov 8, 2017
sent you a PM
Dickodownunder said
09:40 AM Nov 8, 2017
geoff wood wrote:
i have a 2015 colorado dual cab with steel tray only done 30000 klms from new, i need to remove all suspension and replace with ?????????
i will be towing a 22ft caravan around Australia , the tray of the tug will have a constant load of 500kg
the van weighs 3000kg fully loaded
looking for suspension that will give 50 mm lift and be capable of handling dirt corrugations
can any one give me advice ?? i have been told to go old man emu coil springs with air bags ??
i would appreciate any suggestions
regards geoff
G'day Geoff,
hope all is well with you.
if you are considering an upgrade of the suspension in your Colorado you may want to consider talking to Lovells as you may be able to upgrade the GVM of your ute.
i see on their website that they do upgrade the Izuzu DMax so they may do a kit for the Colorado.
Most of the other suspension specialists cannot supply a GVM upgrade which will make you legal if you are close to the limits.
The Lovells upgrades are not cheap compared to other companies but they do all the necessary approvals and compliance plate to ensure a legal upgrade.
Hope this helps
macka17 said
01:29 PM Nov 8, 2017
Upgrading the chassis\Suspension loading on a Ute
that will be already overloaded\stressed.
is NOT a very sensible (safety wise) thing to do I reckon.
The metal in the rails, crossmembers, suspension, mounts,
are all only so thick with so much leeway.
Taking it up to and over PAPER figures. Then more paper figures and going further.
Is .. Welll.
I wouldn't be doing it if I respected my wife's life and others around me.
I was just reading a coupla things on Utes and bent\damaged chassis's.
NOt nice when they let go.
99% caused through OVER rated loading.
These utes are only little light toys. NOT seriously built vehicles for working with.
Aus-Kiwi said
05:06 PM Nov 8, 2017
Blaze . Yes your right . The chassis in my motorhome is the GM Workhorse truck . The original suspension is designed to carry double the weight it is now ., Where as Light Jap designed trucks made in Asia came from the other end of suspension loads where its set up to be perfect to drive around the block on pre purchase drive . Lol Well it seems that way ..
Hylife said
09:59 PM Nov 8, 2017
I don't believe the 2015 Colorado will suit your needs as it only has a total payload of 875kg.
If you deduct your stated 500kg tray load, this only leaves 275kg for everything else.
Assuming there are two occupants at 100kg each this leaves only 75kg for the caravan towbar weight and I very much doubt that a three ton 22 foot caravan will be very legal or for that matter stable if you shift all that weight off the drawbar.
PS.
Just because you do a suspension upgrade does not change the legally allowed weights. Once a vehicle is registered that's it.
-- Edited by Hylife on Wednesday 8th of November 2017 10:00:47 PM
Aus-Kiwi said
02:37 PM Nov 9, 2017
The old dayz wee usssed to buy F series, Land Cruiser or Patrols . Much much stronger chassis . Even though power levels are great in Tritons , Rodeo etc .
macka17 said
07:06 PM Nov 9, 2017
Hylife.
Don't forget the fuel. Tools. fridge. and everything else you carry in back when touring.
2 people and a tank of juice. you overfull with most.
Better put some wheels and a long rope on fridge hey.
Unfortunately. A lot of these people buying utes, (and others) Then sticking big vans on the back.
are going to be financially, very sorry.
When they have to change UP. or Down with van.
MOST Utes and SUV's are restricted to 2.5 ton'ish MAX. when figures sorted.
and the dealers\Builders. NEVER say a word...
It'should be illegal.
Anybody build\sell you a avn for particular vehicle. and it works out Overweight.
It should be compulsory return and refund.
That'l make them think a bit.
AND start building some smaller vans. Importing larger tow vehicles.
Hylife said
07:54 PM Nov 9, 2017
macka17 wrote:
Hylife.
Don't forget the fuel. Tools. fridge. and everything else you carry in back when touring. 2 people and a tank of juice. ....
I assumed that that had already been taken into account when the OP stated 500kg payload on the tray.
The law for many years now has required the car manufacturers stated kerb weight to be as it leaves the factory, wet not dry (ie, includes a full tank of fuel), and the permissible payload must be over and above the WET kerb weight.
Of course any post factory additions such as long range tanks, tow bars, bull bars, auxiliary batteries, a driver behind the wheel and SWIMBO in the passengers seat, van weight on the tow ball, etc, are all to be counted as part of the payload.
I always recommend you empty the vehicle of 'stuff', fill up the tank with go juice and head to the nearest council rubbish tip for a free weighbridge.
You just drive on and position your car so that it is on one platform and your van on another. The small gap between the two platforms should be rearward of the cars rear wheels but ahead of the tow ball. Now write down the weights you see on the large LED screens. Next, you wind down the jockey wheel so the caravan hitch detaches from the tow ball and write down the weights again. Simple addition and subtraction gives you your tow ball weight and your combination weight.
You'd be surprised how much your rig really weighs.
macka17 said
10:34 AM Nov 10, 2017
Hi.
He says "the TRAY of the ute" ??.
If you then add self. missus and whatever else you tend to carry in a dual? then subtract drawbar weight. and reductions to towing capacity through being on MAX or over carrying weight. Your Legal figures start to look a litttle "iffy" with a lot of us.
Not many can be on MAX weight on wheels. with max drawbar, and max trailer weight combined plus still be legal on road.
Remember. OVERweight. measured legally. I believe means. Paid up Insurance NOT valid.
Is it same as a licence. Invalid or none, = NO rego valid in that case., whether paid on veh, or not. For normal driver\owner.
Here's a question.
IF a person caught driving. (2 1\2 times over limit and NO licence. Disqualified, whatever.) Somebody else's Fully registered ins veh.
IS\Does he get done pissed. Nil licence. Hence NO rego\Ins too?. As NO licence negates Rego Ins?. Or does it negate just the Insurance side of it.
-- Edited by macka17 on Friday 10th of November 2017 10:46:14 AM
Aus-Kiwi said
12:42 PM Nov 10, 2017
Thing that gets me is Hino, Mitsi, , etc make pretty good light trucks these days .its just your licence limiting your towing weight . Ok second hand too . Designed for just this. If anything OVER engineered . As in my case fitting softer suspension ..Better shocks ..
i have a 2015 colorado dual cab with steel tray only done 30000 klms from new, i need to remove all suspension and replace with ?????????
i will be towing a 22ft caravan around Australia , the tray of the tug will have a constant load of 500kg
the van weighs 3000kg fully loaded
looking for suspension that will give 50 mm lift and be capable of handling dirt corrugations
can any one give me advice ?? i have been told to go old man emu coil springs with air bags ??
i would appreciate any suggestions
regards geoff
Your Colorado does not have coil springs it has leaf springs. I would talk to some of the suspension specialists like Iron Man or The Ultimate Suspension.
Cheers,
Jontee
Geoff.
I'd be looking at your weight limits for towing. Drawabar and carrying in veh first.
IF you look at 95% of towing recommendations. here and elsewhere.
The MAX figure to tow behind ANY modern ute is 2.5ton....
Regardless of MFG's Paper figures..
Specially if it's a tray top. which are even lighter.
The Recommended. (BUT not legal yet) figure in this country for towing
any load. with any vehicle.
Is a Minimum of 10% LESS than your tow veh's weight.
No matter what size\weight scale they are.
Most try to keep it much more.
I bought a smaller lighter van. 1.85t
with a D-Max that goes over the scales at 2.5 to 2.7 ish ton loaded.
A 3 ton trailer Should have basically. (the only ones that weigh that much)
a Patrol or Toyota cruiser.
OR light truck or US Ute,
the above can\will slide a Tray UTE of your size. ALL over the road.
when things go wrong in any way.
IE Just hitting a corner too fast. Braking suddenly, swerving to miss a roo, etc etc.
Suspension.
Fit EFS Shockers all round. They don't blow seals on Corrugations.
Coilover front?.
Fit "progressive rate" coils on them. 1 rating up.
Torsion bar.. Ironman the better upgrade on them I reckon.
Coils rear. Progressive again. They have the soft starter section to negate the savageness of deep corrugations, with full strength for actual load after tat.
Gives a much softer ride on all roads too.
Leaf rears. STD are going to be "nasty". Regardless.
What a lot of serious travallers\Dirt riders do.
is put extended shackles on for lift. And\or, incorporate in leaf pack too.
Get a better quality Leaf pack with softer rating.
(Progressive again)
and fit Either AIR bags with PROPER chassis mountings. LOOONG.
or Ironman Half leaf springs that leave your soft rating at beginning. but take full load when you drop\bounce, that far. (I have them)
---------------
Unfortunately. You are one of those that has bought before asking.
Others on here will come in too.
The ones with that rig measurements will SAY it's ok. (IE Van heavier than tug)
Most others will say otherwise.
the Scalies (Highways) will put you right when they put you over the scales.
Whoops.
Have a gud won hey.
-- Edited by macka17 on Tuesday 7th of November 2017 10:27:19 AM
Not so.
They simply need to be appropriately designed for the application.
Cheers,
Peter
I have the sister vehicle to yours, a 2012 Isuzu Dmax, and replaced the suspension completely with Tough Dog components as supplied and fitted by Opposite Lock.
The system has been on four years now and no problems. I was very happy with the result after changing, the car was like chalk and cheese. It feels much safer and composed with the change and there is now clearance between the bump stops and the springs even with the van hitched on.
You will find you have leaf springs on the rear and coil overs shocks on the front. If you intend to keep the car for an extended period then a full swap over is a good idea, I will admit my ute is heavy as it has long range tank, canopy, rear drawers etc. Mine lifted about 70 mm in the back and 50 mm at the front
I would do it again in a heartbeat given how it changed the car.
For what it is worth, in my opinion I do not recommend bandaid part fix solutions....sometimes they don't work too well.....be prepared to spend the money on a decent reputable system.
Cheers AL
Gday...
edit: I did a search and found it via this link - https://www.4x4australia.com.au/reviews/1504/bent-utes
Although, the article refers to overloading utes rather than complete suspension upgrades.
Cheers - John
-- Edited by rockylizard on Tuesday 7th of November 2017 01:04:53 PM
\
A good recipe for breaking leaves.
Cheers,
Peter
Hi,
Air bags on a leaf sprung vehicle are not a great idea in my humble opinion. The reason for saying this is that when fitted with airbags(I am assuming they are fitted to carry heavy weights) they load up points on the chassis that were never designed by the manufacturer to carry the load. You have a major load on two points only as well.
The original leaf springs which can be replaced with more suitable items still spread the load over four points and hence load points designed by the manufacturer.
The airbag idea provides an serious point of weakness so potentially chassis can bend if under too much load.
Cheers AL
Is a lot more cost effective than ARB etc as you aren't paying for a badge, after sales service is good as well.....bluemax.com.au
G'day Geoff. I have a 2012 Collie that now has 96K km on it. 11K km ago I replaced all the suspension with Dobinsons brand at my local TJM dealer. 50 mm lift and a constant 300 kg load.
The price was way better than all the others that I got from the main players.
I have towed a 1900 kg caravan and loaded ute - all up 5985 kg - from Bundy to Perth. We are not tar babies, so did the dirty hard bits across NT and WA. This upgrade gave us a really good ride and the ute and van are level when hitched. I have had airbags previously on another vehicle and I cannot recommend them.
I hope this helps with your decision.
Modifies LEAF springs. IE Lighter. less leaves in pack. While being longer with extended shackles.
Gives a lot more controlled movement.
The Airbags. TUNED to suit. with Loong formed rails along chassis rail. Spread the load nicely.
and even out the bounce
attle on corrugations.
DUAL shocks better again. (simple with a welder.)
I've seen a lot in comp done that way. Alternatively Remove Leaf susp and replace with coil.
it's NOT too hard really Again lots have.
Plenty of Info in 4WD mag's and on net.
And if you intend doing lots of Northern\Central corrugations.
You ARE basically going into competition (Rally) driving anyway, Believe me.
That's why we have always used KING springs and EFS shocks. (Rallying)
NEVER had any problems. Nor with heavy Van rig .
3 ton each pretty much. Car\Van. over a lot of yrs.
Still do run them..
cheers
blaze
ps
scotch is good for the soul
sent you a PM
G'day Geoff,
hope all is well with you.
if you are considering an upgrade of the suspension in your Colorado you may want to consider talking to Lovells as you may be able to upgrade the GVM of your ute.
i see on their website that they do upgrade the Izuzu DMax so they may do a kit for the Colorado.
Most of the other suspension specialists cannot supply a GVM upgrade which will make you legal if you are close to the limits.
The Lovells upgrades are not cheap compared to other companies but they do all the necessary approvals and compliance plate to ensure a legal upgrade.
Hope this helps
Upgrading the chassis\Suspension loading on a Ute
that will be already overloaded\stressed.
is NOT a very sensible (safety wise) thing to do I reckon.
The metal in the rails, crossmembers, suspension, mounts,
are all only so thick with so much leeway.
Taking it up to and over PAPER figures. Then more paper figures and going further.
Is .. Welll.
I wouldn't be doing it if I respected my wife's life and others around me.
I was just reading a coupla things on Utes and bent\damaged chassis's.
NOt nice when they let go.
99% caused through OVER rated loading.
These utes are only little light toys. NOT seriously built vehicles for working with.
I don't believe the 2015 Colorado will suit your needs as it only has a total payload of 875kg.
If you deduct your stated 500kg tray load, this only leaves 275kg for everything else.
Assuming there are two occupants at 100kg each this leaves only 75kg for the caravan towbar weight and I very much doubt that a three ton 22 foot caravan will be very legal or for that matter stable if you shift all that weight off the drawbar.
PS.
Just because you do a suspension upgrade does not change the legally allowed weights. Once a vehicle is registered that's it.
-- Edited by Hylife on Wednesday 8th of November 2017 10:00:47 PM
Don't forget the fuel. Tools. fridge. and everything else you carry in back when touring.
2 people and a tank of juice. you overfull with most.
Better put some wheels and a long rope on fridge hey.
Unfortunately. A lot of these people buying utes, (and others) Then sticking big vans on the back.
are going to be financially, very sorry.
When they have to change UP. or Down with van.
MOST Utes and SUV's are restricted to 2.5 ton'ish MAX. when figures sorted.
and the dealers\Builders. NEVER say a word...
It'should be illegal.
Anybody build\sell you a avn for particular vehicle. and it works out Overweight.
It should be compulsory return and refund.
That'l make them think a bit.
AND start building some smaller vans. Importing larger tow vehicles.
I assumed that that had already been taken into account when the OP stated 500kg payload on the tray.
The law for many years now has required the car manufacturers stated kerb weight to be as it leaves the factory, wet not dry (ie, includes a full tank of fuel), and the permissible payload must be over and above the WET kerb weight.
Of course any post factory additions such as long range tanks, tow bars, bull bars, auxiliary batteries, a driver behind the wheel and SWIMBO in the passengers seat, van weight on the tow ball, etc, are all to be counted as part of the payload.
I always recommend you empty the vehicle of 'stuff', fill up the tank with go juice and head to the nearest council rubbish tip for a free weighbridge.
The free self service one on the Hume Hwy at Broadford https://goo.gl/maps/PSqisRnwMfy is so easy to use.
You just drive on and position your car so that it is on one platform and your van on another. The small gap between the two platforms should be rearward of the cars rear wheels but ahead of the tow ball. Now write down the weights you see on the large LED screens. Next, you wind down the jockey wheel so the caravan hitch detaches from the tow ball and write down the weights again.
Simple addition and subtraction gives you your tow ball weight and your combination weight.
You'd be surprised how much your rig really weighs.
Hi.
He says "the TRAY of the ute" ??.
If you then add self. missus and whatever else you tend to carry in a dual?
then subtract drawbar weight. and reductions to towing capacity
through being on MAX or over carrying weight.
Your Legal figures start to look a litttle "iffy" with a lot of us.
Not many can be on MAX weight on wheels. with max drawbar,
and max trailer weight combined
plus still be legal on road.
Remember. OVERweight. measured legally. I believe means. Paid up Insurance NOT valid.
Is it same as a licence. Invalid or none, = NO rego valid in that case.,
whether paid on veh, or not. For normal driver\owner.
Here's a question.
IF a person caught driving. (2 1\2 times over limit and NO licence. Disqualified, whatever.)
Somebody else's Fully registered ins veh.
IS\Does he get done pissed. Nil licence. Hence NO rego\Ins too?.
As NO licence negates Rego Ins?. Or does it negate just the Insurance side of it.
-- Edited by macka17 on Friday 10th of November 2017 10:46:14 AM