The suggestion about putting muzzles on dogs in the Bunnings thread has prompted me to relate what can happen when some dogs are not controlled by their owners.
BIL was walking his miniature pommeranian along his suburban street. Three kids with two pitbulls came towards them. Pitbulls got loose from the kids. Attacked the pom. and tore it to pieces. BIL was left to pick the pieces up and take them home. Horrible.
Pitbulls, Alaskan Malamutes and Chow Chow are known killers. There are probably others. Its like they have a kill switch that can go off any time. I don't think its all about owner training. These breeds need to be kept where they cannot possibly attack another dog. And wear muzzles.
So, if you take your dogs with you travelling make sure they are never let off their leads when other dogs are around. Please remember even a decent bite from a Jack Russell could kill Molly.
Spook said
09:34 PM Mar 5, 2017
msg wrote:
The suggestion about putting muzzles on dogs in the Bunnings thread has prompted me to relate what can happen when some dogs are not controlled by their owners.
BIL was walking his miniature pommeranian along his suburban street. Three kids with two pitbulls came towards them. Pitbulls got loose from the kids. Attacked the pom. and tore it to pieces. BIL was left to pick the pieces up and take them home. Horrible.
Pitbulls, Alaskan Malamutes and Chow Chow are known killers. There are probably others. Its like they have a kill switch that can go off any time. I don't think its all about owner training. These breeds need to be kept where they cannot possibly attack another dog. And wear muzzles.
So, if you take your dogs with you travelling make sure they are never let off their leads when other dogs are around. Please remember even a decent bite from a Jack Russell could kill Molly.
I disagree on the Alaskan Malamutes, mine is an ordinary dog, I have over my life been bit by 2 dogs. One was a 15 year old border collie that had layed down to sleep when I startled it, nearly took out my calf muscle. Not the dogs fault, once It released I meant no harm it released me nd wandered off. The other was a chiawcya (SP), flew me off a sofa and latched onto my thigh and done as much damage as the BC, owner new the dog was aggressive and did have it locked up but decided it would be ok to let it out. Don't like the boof headed looking dogs but its normally the owner at fault more so than the dogs, love my mali
cheers
blaze
macka17 said
08:24 PM Mar 6, 2017
Dogs are NORMALLY like their owners.
I used to be involved in the security "dogs" (1\2 Shepherd. 1\2 german pure wolf)
we had patrolling the missile warheads perimeter.
Everybody knew you don't go over the dual fence.
They WILL eat you.
We used long handled slip ring chokers on them with chunk of meat as bait. 2 men at a time.
That was them. Bred savage and NOT trained. to do a job.
Back in the '50's.
Normally. You bring up a dog gentle. NO MATTER what the breed.
Unless it has a faulty brain itself.
and it will BE gentle.
I've had shepherds. 2 English pointers. and A Bull Mastiff\Bull Terrier
47 kg's on his diet days.
HE Used to take my first granddaughters down to the beach in SA when they toddlers .
They sat on his back,
he trotted the 2 streets to beach and carried. Played with them in water and on beach.
ANYBODY. Apart from self or mum came close.
Lookout.
He changed instantly.
HE would die for them.That is also those breeds. Faithful to last breath.
ALL dogs are the same. You train it right.
It'll live\be right.
Don't, and look out.
Only thing he didn't like was other dogs
OUT with me. Muzzle on at all times. It's the breed.
Fighting\hunting is bred into them
He would do "Instantly" what I told him, Walk off lead. stop and sit on a click of fingers in traffic etc.
Out to 9 ft 10 inches.
9 ft 11 inches. Who're you??.
Crunch. Oh ****.
He was interesting out with the horses too.
ask me sometime.
I always trained mine to answer click of fingers and\or short whistle.
Never the voice. Too confusing.
and stop. sit. stay. ok. only.
They aren't a toy or machine. they have a brain of their own.
Start on short lead. then lead looped over collar. then no lead.
Plus they lived with me 24\7. at sea and on land.
They not welcome. See Ya.
Lancelot Link said
01:54 AM Apr 9, 2017
Rocky Horror Picture Show!
toglhot said
12:51 PM Jul 23, 2017
It's not about breeds, the breed makes no difference. It's about control and the size of the dog. Larger dogs are capable of inflicting a lot of damage so should be under control at all times. How many times have you heard people saying their dog won't bite, or wouldn't hurt anyone. A dog is a dog, given the opportunity and a reason any dog, from a chihuahua to a wolfhound, will attack. Obviously the resultant damage from a chihuahua attack is not going to be as noticeable or serious as an attack by a pitbull.
I used to think breeds like pitbulls, mastiffs and so on were bad news, they're not, they are just big, strong powerful dogs and given the opportunity and/or reason will, like any other dog, attack.
I trained and worked police dogs for most of my working life, including stints as an instructor. During those years I suffered quite a few bites, once being attacked my own police dog, a dog I was to spend another 8 years with. He went on to win a pile of competitions and trophies finally dying in my arms when aged 10.
Dogs are not the problem, owners are. Any dog can and will bite/attack, it is up to the owner to ensure others are not at risk, you do that by ensuring your dog is on lead and undr control at all times when in public and train him/her if necessary.
I always thought there were no bad dogs, just bad owners. Until a family member got a Maremma. First dog I've ever been close to that seems to have absolutely no desire to please his people, making him very hard to train. Overprotective of the kids means he has to be tied up whenever anyone comes to the property. Don't know if this is normal to the breed, but I'd definitely never want one after being around him (even though I'm probably the only person who doesn't live there who doesn't need to worry about him biting)
Aus-Kiwi said
11:22 AM Dec 12, 2017
At times you have to say to yourself . Itās NOT a perfect world ., We can make choices what breeds we have . But we cannot TOTALLY control their behaviour 100 % of the time . I find the main part with animals is to socialise them with humans at young age . A foal is a prime example . If your their at their birth . The foal remembers you and wonāt run away when you approach them . Great feeling !!
Swoffer said
12:26 PM Dec 12, 2017
I reckon (and I'm a "Dog" person ) all dogs should be muzzled outside of their home environment . One rule for everyone same rule nation wide .
No matter if its a Pom or a Dane , if they cant physically bite then there wont be a problem .
Cant really see any argument against it .
msg said
04:11 PM Dec 12, 2017
While I totally agree Swoffer, maybe Chihuahua's could be excluded.? I can't buy a muzzle small enough to fit her and she claws one off in two seconds flat. I needed to take her on the ferry where all dogs had to be muzzelled and tried to comply. However, she can't get away from me mostly carry her in my handbag when in public. and I tell anyone who comes within 10ft that she bites. (she doesn't really) She is also old and is lacking a few teeth. lol
The suggestion about putting muzzles on dogs in the Bunnings thread has prompted me to relate what can happen when some dogs are not controlled by their owners.
BIL was walking his miniature pommeranian along his suburban street. Three kids with two pitbulls came towards them. Pitbulls got loose from the kids. Attacked the pom. and tore it to pieces. BIL was left to pick the pieces up and take them home. Horrible.
Pitbulls, Alaskan Malamutes and Chow Chow are known killers. There are probably others. Its like they have a kill switch that can go off any time. I don't think its all about owner training. These breeds need to be kept where they cannot possibly attack another dog. And wear muzzles.
So, if you take your dogs with you travelling make sure they are never let off their leads when other dogs are around. Please remember even a decent bite from a Jack Russell could kill Molly.
cheers
blaze
I used to be involved in the security "dogs" (1\2 Shepherd. 1\2 german pure wolf)
we had patrolling the missile warheads perimeter.
Everybody knew you don't go over the dual fence.
They WILL eat you.
We used long handled slip ring chokers on them with chunk of meat as bait. 2 men at a time.
That was them. Bred savage and NOT trained. to do a job.
Back in the '50's.
Normally. You bring up a dog gentle. NO MATTER what the breed.
Unless it has a faulty brain itself.
and it will BE gentle.
I've had shepherds. 2 English pointers. and A Bull Mastiff\Bull Terrier
47 kg's on his diet days.
HE Used to take my first granddaughters down to the beach in SA when they toddlers .
They sat on his back,
he trotted the 2 streets to beach and carried. Played with them in water and on beach.
ANYBODY. Apart from self or mum came close.
Lookout.
He changed instantly.
HE would die for them.That is also those breeds. Faithful to last breath.
ALL dogs are the same. You train it right.
It'll live\be right.
Don't, and look out.
Only thing he didn't like was other dogs
OUT with me. Muzzle on at all times. It's the breed.
Fighting\hunting is bred into them
He would do "Instantly" what I told him, Walk off lead. stop and sit on a click of fingers in traffic etc.
Out to 9 ft 10 inches.
9 ft 11 inches. Who're you??.
Crunch. Oh ****.
He was interesting out with the horses too.
ask me sometime.
I always trained mine to answer click of fingers and\or short whistle.
Never the voice. Too confusing.
and stop. sit. stay. ok. only.
They aren't a toy or machine. they have a brain of their own.
Start on short lead. then lead looped over collar. then no lead.
Plus they lived with me 24\7. at sea and on land.
They not welcome. See Ya.
It's not about breeds, the breed makes no difference. It's about control and the size of the dog. Larger dogs are capable of inflicting a lot of damage so should be under control at all times. How many times have you heard people saying their dog won't bite, or wouldn't hurt anyone. A dog is a dog, given the opportunity and a reason any dog, from a chihuahua to a wolfhound, will attack. Obviously the resultant damage from a chihuahua attack is not going to be as noticeable or serious as an attack by a pitbull.
I used to think breeds like pitbulls, mastiffs and so on were bad news, they're not, they are just big, strong powerful dogs and given the opportunity and/or reason will, like any other dog, attack.
I trained and worked police dogs for most of my working life, including stints as an instructor. During those years I suffered quite a few bites, once being attacked my own police dog, a dog I was to spend another 8 years with. He went on to win a pile of competitions and trophies finally dying in my arms when aged 10.
Dogs are not the problem, owners are. Any dog can and will bite/attack, it is up to the owner to ensure others are not at risk, you do that by ensuring your dog is on lead and undr control at all times when in public and train him/her if necessary.
No matter if its a Pom or a Dane , if they cant physically bite then there wont be a problem .
Cant really see any argument against it .