I see this forum has 15,500 registered members, I know that probably half have gone, but even so that would leave nearly 800 current members.
Reading the different posts this morning and I usually concentrate on "General", "Techies" and "I Digress", just about every one went into nit picking while the subject was not addressed.
Thread hi-jacking is common, and it is frustrating to be the original poster and see their subject become lost.
If we want members to put up threads and provide content, we should be behaving ourselves better than we are.
I notice that some of our regular and well known members are keeping pretty quiet of late.
If you are going to now say "If I find its too hot in here, get out of the kitchen" then don't fret, that's how I'm thinking.
Hewy54 said
11:40 AM Feb 4, 2017
Does this mean that I am nit picking if I point out that 15,500 divided by 2 is about 8,000??
Sorry but some of the maths teacher still remains in me.
Ron-D said
12:49 PM Feb 4, 2017
Thanks Mum
hako said
01:13 PM Feb 4, 2017
I agree iana and do not like to see nit picking. I've seen some bad instances and sent a PM to the OP to back them up...and I've received a few PM's myself from members saying to take no notice of the aggro. Ain't nothing going to change however.
Regards
Eaglemax said
02:06 PM Feb 4, 2017
Enter a room where open discussion takes place with say 30 people and you'll get a variety of opinions and off topic happens. Also people get angry. Some conservative types will be of the opinion the "arguers" should grow up and some arguers will be annoyed the fence sitters dont speak their mind.
This is human nature. This is normal. Unless it is interfering with the threads overall progress or not answering the OP's query, a high degree of tolerance and acceptance should be present IMO. Some people go off topic but the OP's question was answered but still someone will say "you are off topic". Righteousness abounds. And I'm a culprit to. Also we are all entitled to a moody day.
Just my view. You may disagree, thats fine.
Desert Dweller said
06:45 PM Feb 4, 2017
Not everyone is going to agree on everything all the time. It would be a pretty boring world if that was the case.
If someone gets your ginger up click to another website. You don't know them, they don't know you & their opinion doesn't really matter at all.
Phil C said
06:46 PM Feb 4, 2017
100% agreement. If we cant be nice to each other and show RESPECT then go away!
Be nice!!
JeffRae said
09:45 PM Feb 4, 2017
It's easy to scroll on by, we do a bit of that
Hey Jim said
12:25 AM Feb 5, 2017
Thanks Ian,
Be nice to Fellow Members.
Respect. What is respect you ask.
Manners. What are Manners you ask.
A Thankyou. What is this.
Both myself & Lambie were brought up with all of the above.
For a very few on here, for one reason or another. Repeat over and over their 3-5 word unwelcome comments Plus.
Its way over time.
More and more of the decent folk leave this site for good, and take with them, their contributions along with them.
When will management stand up with the one Strike and your out, For the good of their Business.
Forums like this are better off without them IMO.
Turnover says it ALL.
Kind regards Jim
Aussie said
12:26 AM Feb 5, 2017
Variety is the spice of life,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I think!
madcart said
05:29 AM Feb 5, 2017
What is IMO please???????????????????/
TheHeaths said
06:24 AM Feb 5, 2017
IMO - In my opinion.
I agree that everyone will not agree with everyone else all of the time, and that is fine. You wouldn't want it, and it would make for a boring world.
What I think Iana finds unwelcome, and I also wonder about, is that on a forum such as this, the anonymity of cyberspace means that the restraint most will show when talking in person to someone is removed, and some feel that due to that anonymity there is no need to be civil, as there is unlikely to ever be any personal contact.
I think it highly unlikely that if you met people from this forum in person, even those who have a short fuse on here, they would necessarily behave the same. I think there is a lot of cyberspace "bull and bravado" displayed on forums.
-- Edited by TheHeaths on Sunday 5th of February 2017 06:25:51 AM
Blues Man said
07:14 AM Feb 5, 2017
"RESPECT" It is something that most of us here have been bought up with but unfortunately for some it is lacking in their repertoire of life.
It's a road which seems like the whole world is on . Unfortunately.
rockylizard said
08:29 AM Feb 5, 2017
TheHeaths wrote:
IMO - In my opinion.
I agree that everyone will not agree with everyone else all of the time, and that is fine. You wouldn't want it, and it would make for a boring world.
What I think Iana finds unwelcome, and I also wonder about, is that on a forum such as this, the anonymity of cyberspace means that the restraint most will show when talking in person to someone is removed, and some feel that due to that anonymity there is no need to be civil, as there is unlikely to ever be any personal contact.
I think it highly unlikely that if you met people from this forum in person, even those who have a short fuse on here, they would necessarily behave the same. I think there is a lot of cyberspace "bull and bravado" displayed on forums.
Gday...
I have been a member of this forum for about eight years. As well, I have met many members at various places over that time.
I have found that those that are 'a problem', opinionated, 'in ya face', 'know it all' on the forum are the same in real life.
Thankfully, those that are pleasant, informative, considerate, helpful on the forum are just that when ya meet em.
The types of people, and their attitudes, on forums are no different to the types of people, and their attitudes, no matter where you encounter them.
The only solution ... threat those who annoy or frustrate on the forum the same as you do if you were to meet them - smile, nod and walk away.
Cheers - John
Grubbygypsy said
09:27 AM Feb 5, 2017
I have a few times, considered departing. I was even called a liar (not as nicely as that) by one when I told of a safety situation that had happened to me. Then I began to realise who the main offenders were. It doesn't take long if you take notice. Geez....some are even so multi tasked that they know absolutely EVERYTHING, lol. I reckon I know without a doubt where their voting preferences would lay too!!
So I just take them with a grain of salt now, recognise them for what they are, contankerous old fools, and move on.
Phil C said
10:04 AM Feb 5, 2017
Gday again,
This respect and consideration thing I have been chirping about for ages. I take my hat off to Cindy (the webmaster) who has to make arbitrary decisions about all these, sometimes distasteful threads. There are only a few people, as has been said, that bugger it up for the rest of us.
Unlike grubby, I have actually canceled my account and left after a rather vicious attack some years ago. That was part due to my mental state at that time and the relentless attack of some members. Its interesting that these very same people are on other caravan sites and act in the same obnoxious manner.
It seems, by reading this thread, there are a few like minded folks who do show respect and care for their fellow members. I do not believe that "arguing" with the bad guys achieves anything. I now ignore any attack, send a PM to Cindy and the thread is closed, makes sense to me when you take away their oxygen.
Have a great day folks.
madaboutled said
11:15 AM Feb 5, 2017
Phil C wrote:
Gday again,
This respect and consideration thing I have been chirping about for ages. I take my hat off to Cindy (the webmaster) who has to make arbitrary decisions about all these, sometimes distasteful threads. There are only a few people, as has been said, that bugger it up for the rest of us.
Unlike grubby, I have actually canceled my account and left after a rather vicious attack some years ago. That was part due to my mental state at that time and the relentless attack of some members. Its interesting that these very same people are on other caravan sites and act in the same obnoxious manner.
It seems, by reading this thread, there are a few like minded folks who do show respect and care for their fellow members. I do not believe that "arguing" with the bad guys achieves anything. I now ignore any attack, send a PM to Cindy and the thread is closed, makes sense to me when you take away their oxygen.
Have a great day folks.
I might be guilty of that ???, so IF I've offended anyone in anyway I do appologise and will say that wasn't my intention.
Just get's up my goat when someone claims their way is the only way, or doesn't agree with things that are legally permitted and then tries to take away my or anyone elses rights to do something that we're legally, morally, qualified and or entitled to do. In these cases I just can't hold back and say nothing, as a result I will vent, but, admit that I sometimes can get carried away - (my wife calls that passionate). The problem is IMHO, is that written TEXT does not show the true emotions of face to face SPEECH, therefore, somethings written can be easily taken out of context.
I agree that we should be nice to fellow members, so again, my appologies IF I've offended anyone in anyway, my nature is genuinely really about helping people where I can.
Regards to all - Steve.
Desert Dweller said
07:04 PM Feb 5, 2017
The internet & forums like this one are a recent arrival for our age group.
If you think that there's a small amount of ''offensive content'' on this forum, subscribe to a mainstream young persons forum. It's open abusive season all year round!
We have a lot more decorum & manners than the younger generation demonstrate on their social media. Age & experience hopefully make us wiser. Enjoy your retirement without any kind
of stress.
Phil C said
08:38 PM Feb 5, 2017
madaboutled wrote:
Phil C wrote:
Gday again,
This respect and consideration thing I have been chirping about for ages. I take my hat off to Cindy (the webmaster) who has to make arbitrary decisions about all these, sometimes distasteful threads. There are only a few people, as has been said, that bugger it up for the rest of us.
Unlike grubby, I have actually canceled my account and left after a rather vicious attack some years ago. That was part due to my mental state at that time and the relentless attack of some members. Its interesting that these very same people are on other caravan sites and act in the same obnoxious manner.
It seems, by reading this thread, there are a few like minded folks who do show respect and care for their fellow members. I do not believe that "arguing" with the bad guys achieves anything. I now ignore any attack, send a PM to Cindy and the thread is closed, makes sense to me when you take away their oxygen.
Have a great day folks.
I might be guilty of that ???, so IF I've offended anyone in anyway I do appologise and will say that wasn't my intention.
Just get's up my goat when someone claims their way is the only way, or doesn't agree with things that are legally permitted and then tries to take away my or anyone elses rights to do something that we're legally, morally, qualified and or entitled to do. In these cases I just can't hold back and say nothing, as a result I will vent, but, admit that I sometimes can get carried away - (my wife calls that passionate). The problem is IMHO, is that written TEXT does not show the true emotions of face to face SPEECH, therefore, somethings written can be easily taken out of context.
I agree that we should be nice to fellow members, so again, my appologies IF I've offended anyone in anyway, my nature is genuinely really about helping people where I can.
Regards to all - Steve.
No offence Ive seen Steve, at least you have the b**ls to get up and apologise. My post was not meant to be a witch hunt or to put anyone on a guilt trip.. It takes very little effort to think before we type..
Cheers Steve, its all good mate.
Santa said
09:14 PM Feb 5, 2017
Desert Dweller wrote:
The internet & forums like this one are a recent arrival for our age group.
If you think that there's a small amount of ''offensive content'' on this forum, subscribe to a mainstream young persons forum. It's open abusive season all year round!
We have a lot more decorum & manners than the younger generation demonstrate on their social media. Age & experience hopefully make us wiser. Enjoy your retirement without any kind
of stress.
Not sure I agree with these sentiments DD.
I'm a member of other forums, frequented mostly by people still in the work force, one has almost 45000 members, by and large they are well behaved, they get along harmoniously, with only the occasional blow up.
Grey Nomads by comparison seems to be inhabited by a large number of grumpy, antagonistic, curmudgeonly old buggers who seem to think they know it all and take umbrage at any opinion that differs to their own, I don't envy Cindy her job, moderators on other forums would have been quick to ban members for some of the misbehavior and bickering constantly on display here.
"Age & experience hopefully make us wiser." not always the case, turns some of us into blustering buffoons.
-- Edited by Santa on Sunday 5th of February 2017 10:56:53 PM
oldbloke said
12:18 AM Feb 6, 2017
I am a member of another forum unrelated to caravans. They had much the same problem. At times worse and it sometimes got so low as name calling and derogatory remarks.
It all stopped when the moderators got tough. Two or three earnings and if they continued they were kicked off. Worked a treat. Great forum now.
They also added a "complaints button" that alerted the moderators if there was a problem.
Diane1 said
01:22 PM Feb 6, 2017
There's nothing wrong with going off topic, as long as original query is sorted first and it (mainly)stays in the general subject area.
You ever sat round a fire or a lounge room with some mates. Watch thr subjects switch then.
We are (I hope),normal people, not zombies, with enquring minds and tongues. Plus a lot have travelled and done lot,s of different jobs,
And DO know a bit (and lot,s) about a lot. Which tends to bring out a bit of jealousy in some stick in the muds/been nowhere,s of the world.
If they stopped whinging and read more. They may? Learn more about life. SOME have had one.
Webmaster said
03:11 PM Feb 6, 2017
Thanks everyone for your input. We created this forum to be a positive place to discuss the grey nomad lifestyle. Although it is inevitable that not everyone will see eye to eye all the time, we hope that people are able to respect one another's viewpoints. If you disagree with another member's opinion about something, please ensure that you address the topic itself, not the person. We welcome debate although we do not allow personal attacks.
I see this forum has 15,500 registered members, I know that probably half have gone, but even so that would leave nearly 800 current members.
Reading the different posts this morning and I usually concentrate on "General", "Techies" and "I Digress", just about every one went into nit picking while the subject was not addressed.
Thread hi-jacking is common, and it is frustrating to be the original poster and see their subject become lost.
If we want members to put up threads and provide content, we should be behaving ourselves better than we are.
I notice that some of our regular and well known members are keeping pretty quiet of late.
If you are going to now say "If I find its too hot in here, get out of the kitchen" then don't fret, that's how I'm thinking.
Sorry but some of the maths teacher still remains in me.
Thanks Mum
Regards
Not everyone is going to agree on everything all the time. It would be a pretty boring world if that was the case.
If someone gets your ginger up click to another website. You don't know them, they don't know you & their opinion doesn't really matter at all.
Be nice!!
It's easy to scroll on by, we do a bit of that
Thanks Ian,
Be nice to Fellow Members.
Respect. What is respect you ask.
Manners. What are Manners you ask.
A Thankyou. What is this.
Both myself & Lambie were brought up with all of the above.
For a very few on here, for one reason or another. Repeat over and over their 3-5 word unwelcome comments Plus.
Its way over time.
More and more of the decent folk leave this site for good, and take with them, their contributions along with them.
When will management stand up with the one Strike and your out, For the good of their Business.
Forums like this are better off without them IMO.
Turnover says it ALL.
Kind regards Jim
What is IMO please???????????????????/
IMO - In my opinion.
I agree that everyone will not agree with everyone else all of the time, and that is fine. You wouldn't want it, and it would make for a boring world.
What I think Iana finds unwelcome, and I also wonder about, is that on a forum such as this, the anonymity of cyberspace means that the restraint most will show when talking in person to someone is removed, and some feel that due to that anonymity there is no need to be civil, as there is unlikely to ever be any personal contact.
I think it highly unlikely that if you met people from this forum in person, even those who have a short fuse on here, they would necessarily behave the same. I think there is a lot of cyberspace "bull and bravado" displayed on forums.
-- Edited by TheHeaths on Sunday 5th of February 2017 06:25:51 AM
"RESPECT" It is something that most of us here have been bought up with but unfortunately for some it is lacking in their repertoire of life.
It's a road which seems like the whole world is on . Unfortunately.
Gday...
I have been a member of this forum for about eight years. As well, I have met many members at various places over that time.
I have found that those that are 'a problem', opinionated, 'in ya face', 'know it all' on the forum are the same in real life.
Thankfully, those that are pleasant, informative, considerate, helpful on the forum are just that when ya meet em.
The types of people, and their attitudes, on forums are no different to the types of people, and their attitudes, no matter where you encounter them.
The only solution ... threat those who annoy or frustrate on the forum the same as you do if you were to meet them - smile, nod and walk away.
Cheers - John
So I just take them with a grain of salt now, recognise them for what they are, contankerous old fools, and move on.
This respect and consideration thing I have been chirping about for ages. I take my hat off to Cindy (the webmaster) who has to make arbitrary decisions about all these, sometimes distasteful threads. There are only a few people, as has been said, that bugger it up for the rest of us.
Unlike grubby, I have actually canceled my account and left after a rather vicious attack some years ago. That was part due to my mental state at that time and the relentless attack of some members. Its interesting that these very same people are on other caravan sites and act in the same obnoxious manner.
It seems, by reading this thread, there are a few like minded folks who do show respect and care for their fellow members. I do not believe that "arguing" with the bad guys achieves anything. I now ignore any attack, send a PM to Cindy and the thread is closed, makes sense to me when you take away their oxygen.
Have a great day folks.
I might be guilty of that ???, so IF I've offended anyone in anyway I do appologise and will say that wasn't my intention.
Just get's up my goat when someone claims their way is the only way, or doesn't agree with things that are legally permitted and then tries to take away my or anyone elses rights to do something that we're legally, morally, qualified and or entitled to do. In these cases I just can't hold back and say nothing, as a result I will vent, but, admit that I sometimes can get carried away - (my wife calls that passionate). The problem is IMHO, is that written TEXT does not show the true emotions of face to face SPEECH, therefore, somethings written can be easily taken out of context.
I agree that we should be nice to fellow members, so again, my appologies IF I've offended anyone in anyway, my nature is genuinely really about helping people where I can.
Regards to all - Steve.
The internet & forums like this one are a recent arrival for our age group.
If you think that there's a small amount of ''offensive content'' on this forum, subscribe to a mainstream young persons forum. It's open abusive season all year round!
We have a lot more decorum & manners than the younger generation demonstrate on their social media. Age & experience hopefully make us wiser. Enjoy your retirement without any kind
of stress.
No offence Ive seen Steve, at least you have the b**ls to get up and apologise. My post was not meant to be a witch hunt or to put anyone on a guilt trip.. It takes very little effort to think before we type..
Cheers Steve, its all good mate.
Not sure I agree with these sentiments DD.
I'm a member of other forums, frequented mostly by people still in the work force, one has almost 45000 members, by and large they are well behaved, they get along harmoniously, with only the occasional blow up.
Grey Nomads by comparison seems to be inhabited by a large number of grumpy, antagonistic, curmudgeonly old buggers who seem to think they know it all and take umbrage at any opinion that differs to their own, I don't envy Cindy her job, moderators on other forums would have been quick to ban members for some of the misbehavior and bickering constantly on display here.
"Age & experience hopefully make us wiser." not always the case, turns some of us into blustering buffoons.
-- Edited by Santa on Sunday 5th of February 2017 10:56:53 PM
It all stopped when the moderators got tough. Two or three earnings and if they continued they were kicked off. Worked a treat. Great forum now.
They also added a "complaints button" that alerted the moderators if there was a problem.
Thanks everyone for your input. We created this forum to be a positive place to discuss the grey nomad lifestyle. Although it is inevitable that not everyone will see eye to eye all the time, we hope that people are able to respect one another's viewpoints. If you disagree with another member's opinion about something, please ensure that you address the topic itself, not the person. We welcome debate although we do not allow personal attacks.