after two days last week in the lower Blue Mountains on 40+days without power, it made me think of fellow nomads who free camp and are out in the big playground all the time what do you do to escape the heat.
I am a recent arrival in the land of asthma and found it very hard to breath so hopped into car with aircon on and drove to my sons place to wait for power to be restored.
I had no idea that people with Asthma were so affected by hot weather, anyway I hope you are when nessisary you are able to escape the really hot ones.
-- Edited by aussietraveller on Monday 16th of January 2017 04:26:52 PM
CC Bear said
05:22 PM Jan 16, 2017
The dry heat of nsw and sa does me in, never so glad to get home to the humidity. Even so with the temps in the mid 30 to 40 it is inside with the aircon. So not sure how we will go on any extended free camping. Take care
Dougwe said
06:27 PM Jan 16, 2017
Due to health reasons I need to be around water during summer to help keep cool (not cold) and is one of the reasons I spend a lot of time at Greens Lake, Nth Central VIC. I can't handle the cold either so follow the warmer climates during winter. The humidity up north during summer would wipe me out.
Real hot days, 40c+ over a few days, I might even let gene out of the back of the Collie for run and enjoy the vans aircon, but only during the hours of 8.00am and 8.00pm.
-- Edited by Dougwe on Monday 16th of January 2017 06:28:27 PM
OwenK said
06:46 PM Jan 16, 2017
Hi aussietraveller.
Some people knock generators but when it's really hot and you're free camping they are essential. But as Doug said only run certain hours (I've met a few people in stinking hot weather with aircon on, stayed a while too, why not ).
Cheers Owen.
terrola said
09:22 PM Jan 16, 2017
i also suffer from very high temps
so when camping in a large area i always set up well away from other vans
put genny out so it can be seen
but many times some clown with van parks very close and then complains about my genny it is a 2 kva (very quite)
i just say sorry mate if you dont like it move away plenty of room around here
i am the same as others have said only run it between 8 am-8 pm
i will run my genny when i want
not when others want
Grubbygypsy said
10:47 PM Jan 16, 2017
Haha....today was 41 out here - I happened to be on a powered site from last night due to catching up with a mate....saw the forecast....decided to stay again on power.....very unusual for me. Had to make sure I did a heap of work to justify my indulgence.
I get asthma - but heat doesn't affect it. I just didn't want to be hot and sweaty and no water out here to boot.
Rarely I'll run the gennie for A/c. I probably would of needed to today....hence making the 'fuel cost out here or stay on cheap power' decision.
Other thing I do - is wet and freeze a sarong and lay it over me. It works quite well.
Desert Dweller said
08:21 AM Jan 17, 2017
We stay in our beachside home on Port Phillip Bay for the 3 months of summer. Couldn't stand camping with the heat, dust & flies.
Santa said
10:11 AM Jan 17, 2017
OwenK wrote:
Some people knock generators but when it's really hot and you're free camping they are essential.
Essential eh! thank goodness our forbears we're made of sterner stuff, it's only in the past 50 years or so that air conditioners have become common place.
I've heard people make similar statements when visiting our arid interior, "people couldn't live in this country without aircon" they did and have done so for over 150 years.
jules47 said
11:42 AM Jan 17, 2017
We need to all think of when we were younger - there was no AC in cars, none at home, none in the shops - remember running under the sprinkler, all the curtains in the house closed (dark room was cooler) - a fan, with an ice block in a basin on a stool in front of it, blew cold air.
Camping was mostly in tents - or very small caravans with no air - four people sleeping in there at night. If it rained, kids ran and played in the rain and mud.
It rained very heavily here where we are camped the other day, puddles all over the place - little kids - 3 or 4 yr olds - started jumping in them - they ended up rolling in the mud - we were watching and laughing - they had a ball.
We live in a country that is hot in the summer - enjoy it!
I must say though, that we have Caframo fans, which keep us comfortable all day and night.
Santa said
11:47 AM Jan 17, 2017
jules47 wrote:
We need to all think of when we were younger - there was no AC in cars, none at home, none in the shops - remember running under the sprinkler, all the curtains in the house closed (dark room was cooler) - a fan, with an ice block in a basin on a stool in front of it, blew cold air.
Camping was mostly in tents - or very small caravans with no air - four people sleeping in there at night. If it rained, kids ran and played in the rain and mud.
It rained very heavily here where we are camped the other day, puddles all over the place - little kids - 3 or 4 yr olds - started jumping in them - they ended up rolling in the mud - we were watching and laughing - they had a ball.
We live in a country that is hot in the summer - enjoy it!
I must say though, that we have Caframo fans, which keep us comfortable all day and night.
Well said Jules.
jules47 said
11:51 AM Jan 17, 2017
Thanks Santa.
woolman said
12:56 PM Jan 17, 2017
One way to keep cool in summer is move to Tasmania. Got hot the other day, 27.
Neil
DMaxer said
01:43 PM Jan 17, 2017
I recall as a young child growing up and having to cope with hot temperatures in the summer. I recall our class rooms usually housed anywhere between 40-50 students, no air conditioning and having to wear a tie to school all year. We played cricket in heatwaves, had our athletic carnivals in heat waves because that it just how it was.
Now that I travel about in my caravan, although I don't like heatwaves, I still cope alright. If it is stinking hot I sit outside under the awning or under a tree in the shade, no problem. When it is hot at night i use the 12 volt fan after giving the air conditioner an hour's blast if I am hooked up to power.
I don't understand why people need to bring every luxury along on the trip. There is nothing worse than sitting back enjoying the quiet of nature only to have some inconsiderate fool start up the generator so he or she can watch television or run their hair dryer. The fact that someone places their generator out in the open so everyone is forewarned is a selfish and inconsiderate act. Just because someone arrives at a free or budget camp first of all does not allow them to set the rules or protocol for the ones that arrive next. Does it mean that if I arrive first at a free camp and place, say a Ghetto Blaster out the front of my van that I am then allowed to blast the other campers with some appalling attempt at music?
I understand that different people have different needs so perhaps instead of them imposing their noise on others, why don't they go to a place where there is a power access and leave the rest of us alone. If I want to listen to generators all night then I will stop outside a power station.
Maybe I am selfish in wanting to enjoy the sounds of the ocean, bush and nature without some clown's Honda banging away in the foreground!
Grubbygypsy said
01:57 PM Jan 17, 2017
For some of us it isn't "a trip"
Onedodger said
03:02 PM Jan 17, 2017
Whilst I do have a gen set it is only used when the weather is in the extremes ie. Above 38c/100f. Because shmbo suffers from the heat. For those that frown apon this I say go jump, my other half needs this running. When bush camping we try to be a reasonable distance from others however if someone wishes to camp close and the temp is high I warn them that sparky will get a run but will retire before 9pm.
In more than 30 years of traveling we have had minimal trouble from other campers or their noise.
DMaxer said
04:11 PM Jan 17, 2017
I imagine that all you good people who justify the use of their generators with such logic as "I can't handle the heat" and "my wife's medical condition" would have no problem if a caravan came to your chosen campsite and decided to let their kids practice the bagpipes for several hours a day with their reason being.."the kids need to learn music".
Why go to a place if you or your partner's health can't handle the prevailing conditions without annoying every other poor soul in the place.
sandsmere said
04:15 PM Jan 17, 2017
Santa wrote:
OwenK wrote:
Some people knock generators but when it's really hot and you're free camping they are essential.
Essential eh! thank goodness our forbears we're made of sterner stuff, it's only in the past 50 years or so that air conditioners have become common place.
I've heard people make similar statements when visiting our arid interior, "people couldn't live in this country without aircon" they did and have done so for over 150 years.
People lived without fridges and washing machines too Santa.
Bet you have them though.
Ron-D said
05:29 PM Jan 17, 2017
People with generators could not give a rodents rectum about awhat you have to say Dmaxer unfortunately...
PeterInSa said
05:29 PM Jan 17, 2017
Re (One way to keep cool in summer is move to Tasmania. Got hot the other day, 27. )
Recently talking to rellies in Tassie, they are now thinking of getting air con it was 28Deg that day.
41deg in Adelaide today. Our house was OK to around 3pm then air con turned on.
Peter
OwenK said
05:32 PM Jan 17, 2017
Hi Santa,
I don't see a horse and cart in your avatar, I assume that's your rig.
Progress is why we're not still living in caves.
Cheers Owen.
Possum3 said
08:06 PM Jan 17, 2017
Yes we didn't have all the air-conditioner and 12v fans back then, and there were no air-conditioned shops and malls to go to when it got too hot - but remember that not a too long time ago, a lot of elderly people died from heat (and cold) exposure.
-- Edited by Possum3 on Tuesday 17th of January 2017 08:07:18 PM
meetoo said
08:26 PM Jan 17, 2017
Head to town and do the supermarket crawl ( freezer isles )
Cheers, John.
DMaxer said
09:41 AM Jan 18, 2017
I imagine that all the campers out there in generator land who venture in to places during hot weather do so only because they have their generator to run the air conditioner and TV.
What would happen if the generator, god forbid, ceased to function. Would they need to leave immediately or would that be impossible? Perhaps they would need the Flying Doctor or the Emergency Rescue Team to air-vac them out given that a piece of vital and essential machinery has ceased to function.
After all, the real reason we all go camping in the great outdoors is so we can sit all day in the caravan watching Home and Away with the air conditioner running whilst we text friends and family informing them how we are "getting away from it all"
-- Edited by DMaxer on Wednesday 18th of January 2017 09:42:18 AM
Santa said
09:57 AM Jan 18, 2017
DMaxer wrote:
I imagine that all the campers out there in generator land who venture in to places during hot weather do so only because they have their generator to run the air conditioner and TV.
What would happen if the generator, god forbid, ceased to function. Would they need to leave immediately or would that be impossible? Perhaps they would need the Flying Doctor or the Emergency Rescue Team to air-vac them out given that a piece of vital and essential machinery has ceased to function.
After all, the real reason we all go camping in the great outdoors is so we can sit all day in the caravan watching Home and Away with the air conditioner running whilst we text friends and family informing them how we are "getting away from it all"
-- Edited by DMaxer on Wednesday 18th of January 2017 09:42:18 AM
Certainly make you wonder, I've seen people in bus size motor homes and fifth wheeler's, pull into a park and ignore shady spots, park out in the full sun, whats the first action? up goes the TV antenna (ya gotta have a signal) the second action is, you guessed it, start the generator, followed closely by the air con roaring into life. I really wonder why some of em leave home.
Frequently in these instances SHMBO is seldom if ever seen.
TheHeaths said
01:04 PM Jan 18, 2017
Isn't it good that we are all different, and all enjoy the same experience in different ways.
Sorry, but when we started to travel, I forgot to read the rules that said there was only one way to do it, and all the other ways were unacceptable. Some like aircons, others don't, some use generators, others don't. Whatever way YOU do it is fine by me. But don't criticise the way I choose to see the country. This is especially so where freedom camping is involved. The idea of freedom camping, as I see it, is to reduce the number of rules that inhibit the way people enjoy the outdoors. In that case, I find it ironic that people then seek to impose "rules" that they still want to see to enhance their experience, but limit that of others.
Anyway, enjoy the outdoors whatever way you can. Many don't have the opportunity!
Santa said
01:11 PM Jan 18, 2017
TheHeaths wrote:
The idea of freedom camping, as I see it, is to reduce the number of rules that inhibit the way people enjoy the outdoors. In that case, I find it ironic that people then seek to impose "rules" that they still want to see to enhance their experience, but limit that of others.
No problem with any of that, up to the point of indulging in antisocial behavior, if you don't know what is or is not acceptable then your probably one of the offenders.
DMaxer said
03:13 PM Jan 18, 2017
Yes, I suppose it is selfish of me to try and limit people's enjoyment of their generators. Just imagine the deep serenity of camping in the outback, near a river, stars in the sky shining like diamonds and the melodic sound of a dozen generators running the air con and TV.
TheHeaths said
03:38 PM Jan 18, 2017
Don't have a generator, don't listen to loud music, don't have satellite to watch TV everywhere. I am certainly not one of the "offenders" or "anti social" in that way.
But, at least I do have some tolerance to those that do it differently to me.
Grubbygypsy said
10:06 AM Jan 19, 2017
Like I said up there - some of us aren't 'camping' - this is life! So I'll have every comfort I need thanks. I'm too tight to run the gennie for AC flat chat, but, like yesterday I had to run it to operate my beaters to make bread because I'm coeliac. So that's precisely what I'll do. I also hate children and the noise they omit, but I don't complain relentlessly that children shouldn't be bought on 'camping' trips. There's no prerequisites to being social either. Who wants to listen to the part timers bang on about which road they took and how much diesel they used 365 days a year? Much prefer my satellite.
People need to realise everyone does things differently. One place I was, the guy ran the generator a lot. Nice fella. Never saw his wife at all....so I presume she was very ill (he said she was and they were going to Drs etc), so if running a generator enables her to have some enjoyment in her life, then all good by me.
It would have to be a necessity to run a gennie for any length of time, because you don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out they're not a very economical way of having comfort.
TheHeaths said
03:00 PM Jan 19, 2017
I am on your side Grubby.
I was responding to Santa's and DMaxer's comments to my previous post.
-- Edited by TheHeaths on Thursday 19th of January 2017 03:01:20 PM
-- Edited by TheHeaths on Thursday 19th of January 2017 03:01:38 PM
after two days last week in the lower Blue Mountains on 40+days without power, it made me think of fellow nomads who free camp and are out in the big playground all the time what do you do to escape the heat.
I am a recent arrival in the land of asthma and found it very hard to breath so hopped into car with aircon on and drove to my sons place to wait for power to be restored.
I had no idea that people with Asthma were so affected by hot weather, anyway I hope you are when nessisary you are able to escape the really hot ones.
-- Edited by aussietraveller on Monday 16th of January 2017 04:26:52 PM
Due to health reasons I need to be around water during summer to help keep cool (not cold) and is one of the reasons I spend a lot of time at Greens Lake, Nth Central VIC. I can't handle the cold either so follow the warmer climates during winter. The humidity up north during summer would wipe me out.
Real hot days, 40c+ over a few days, I might even let gene out of the back of the Collie for run and enjoy the vans aircon, but only during the hours of 8.00am and 8.00pm.
-- Edited by Dougwe on Monday 16th of January 2017 06:28:27 PM
Hi aussietraveller.
Some people knock generators but when it's really hot and you're free camping they are essential. But as Doug said only run certain hours (I've met a few people in stinking hot weather with aircon on, stayed a while too, why not ).
Cheers Owen.
i also suffer from very high temps
so when camping in a large area i always set up well away from other vans
put genny out so it can be seen
but many times some clown with van parks very close and then complains about my genny it is a 2 kva (very quite)
i just say sorry mate if you dont like it move away plenty of room around here
i am the same as others have said only run it between 8 am-8 pm
i will run my genny when i want
not when others want
I get asthma - but heat doesn't affect it. I just didn't want to be hot and sweaty and no water out here to boot.
Rarely I'll run the gennie for A/c. I probably would of needed to today....hence making the 'fuel cost out here or stay on cheap power' decision.
Other thing I do - is wet and freeze a sarong and lay it over me. It works quite well.
We stay in our beachside home on Port Phillip Bay for the 3 months of summer.
Couldn't stand camping with the heat, dust & flies.
Essential eh! thank goodness our forbears we're made of sterner stuff, it's only in the past 50 years or so that air conditioners have become common place.
I've heard people make similar statements when visiting our arid interior, "people couldn't live in this country without aircon" they did and have done so for over 150 years.
Camping was mostly in tents - or very small caravans with no air - four people sleeping in there at night. If it rained, kids ran and played in the rain and mud.
It rained very heavily here where we are camped the other day, puddles all over the place - little kids - 3 or 4 yr olds - started jumping in them - they ended up rolling in the mud - we were watching and laughing - they had a ball.
We live in a country that is hot in the summer - enjoy it!
I must say though, that we have Caframo fans, which keep us comfortable all day and night.
Well said Jules.
One way to keep cool in summer is move to Tasmania. Got hot the other day, 27.
Neil
I recall as a young child growing up and having to cope with hot temperatures in the summer. I recall our class rooms usually housed anywhere between 40-50 students, no air conditioning and having to wear a tie to school all year. We played cricket in heatwaves, had our athletic carnivals in heat waves because that it just how it was.
Now that I travel about in my caravan, although I don't like heatwaves, I still cope alright. If it is stinking hot I sit outside under the awning or under a tree in the shade, no problem. When it is hot at night i use the 12 volt fan after giving the air conditioner an hour's blast if I am hooked up to power.
I don't understand why people need to bring every luxury along on the trip. There is nothing worse than sitting back enjoying the quiet of nature only to have some inconsiderate fool start up the generator so he or she can watch television or run their hair dryer. The fact that someone places their generator out in the open so everyone is forewarned is a selfish and inconsiderate act. Just because someone arrives at a free or budget camp first of all does not allow them to set the rules or protocol for the ones that arrive next. Does it mean that if I arrive first at a free camp and place, say a Ghetto Blaster out the front of my van that I am then allowed to blast the other campers with some appalling attempt at music?
I understand that different people have different needs so perhaps instead of them imposing their noise on others, why don't they go to a place where there is a power access and leave the rest of us alone. If I want to listen to generators all night then I will stop outside a power station.
Maybe I am selfish in wanting to enjoy the sounds of the ocean, bush and nature without some clown's Honda banging away in the foreground!
I imagine that all you good people who justify the use of their generators with such logic as "I can't handle the heat" and "my wife's medical condition" would have no problem if a caravan came to your chosen campsite and decided to let their kids practice the bagpipes for several hours a day with their reason being.."the kids need to learn music".
Why go to a place if you or your partner's health can't handle the prevailing conditions without annoying every other poor soul in the place.
People lived without fridges and washing machines too Santa.
Bet you have them though.
People with generators could not give a rodents rectum about awhat you have to say Dmaxer unfortunately...
Recently talking to rellies in Tassie, they are now thinking of getting air con it was 28Deg that day.
41deg in Adelaide today. Our house was OK to around 3pm then air con turned on.
Peter
Hi Santa,
I don't see a horse and cart in your avatar, I assume that's your rig.
Progress is why we're not still living in caves.
Cheers Owen.
Yes we didn't have all the air-conditioner and 12v fans back then, and there were no air-conditioned shops and malls to go to when it got too hot - but remember that not a too long time ago, a lot of elderly people died from heat (and cold) exposure.
-- Edited by Possum3 on Tuesday 17th of January 2017 08:07:18 PM
Head to town and do the supermarket crawl ( freezer isles )
Cheers, John.
I imagine that all the campers out there in generator land who venture in to places during hot weather do so only because they have their generator to run the air conditioner and TV.
What would happen if the generator, god forbid, ceased to function. Would they need to leave immediately or would that be impossible? Perhaps they would need the Flying Doctor or the Emergency Rescue Team to air-vac them out given that a piece of vital and essential machinery has ceased to function.
After all, the real reason we all go camping in the great outdoors is so we can sit all day in the caravan watching Home and Away with the air conditioner running whilst we text friends and family informing them how we are "getting away from it all"
-- Edited by DMaxer on Wednesday 18th of January 2017 09:42:18 AM
Certainly make you wonder, I've seen people in bus size motor homes and fifth wheeler's, pull into a park and ignore shady spots, park out in the full sun, whats the first action? up goes the TV antenna (ya gotta have a signal) the second action is, you guessed it, start the generator, followed closely by the air con roaring into life.
I really wonder why some of em leave home.
Frequently in these instances SHMBO is seldom if ever seen.
Sorry, but when we started to travel, I forgot to read the rules that said there was only one way to do it, and all the other ways were unacceptable. Some like aircons, others don't, some use generators, others don't. Whatever way YOU do it is fine by me. But don't criticise the way I choose to see the country. This is especially so where freedom camping is involved. The idea of freedom camping, as I see it, is to reduce the number of rules that inhibit the way people enjoy the outdoors. In that case, I find it ironic that people then seek to impose "rules" that they still want to see to enhance their experience, but limit that of others.
Anyway, enjoy the outdoors whatever way you can. Many don't have the opportunity!
No problem with any of that, up to the point of indulging in antisocial behavior, if you don't know what is or is not acceptable then your probably one of the offenders.
Yes, I suppose it is selfish of me to try and limit people's enjoyment of their generators. Just imagine the deep serenity of camping in the outback, near a river, stars in the sky shining like diamonds and the melodic sound of a dozen generators running the air con and TV.
But, at least I do have some tolerance to those that do it differently to me.
People need to realise everyone does things differently. One place I was, the guy ran the generator a lot. Nice fella. Never saw his wife at all....so I presume she was very ill (he said she was and they were going to Drs etc), so if running a generator enables her to have some enjoyment in her life, then all good by me.
It would have to be a necessity to run a gennie for any length of time, because you don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out they're not a very economical way of having comfort.
I am on your side Grubby.
I was responding to Santa's and DMaxer's comments to my previous post.
-- Edited by TheHeaths on Thursday 19th of January 2017 03:01:20 PM
-- Edited by TheHeaths on Thursday 19th of January 2017 03:01:38 PM