The Australian people did not agree to provide perks to Politicians,
that burden was thrust upon them.
Politicians devised all these contracts to benefit themselves.
Serving in Parliament is an honour not a career.
The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so our
politicians should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.
If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people, then it will
only take three or so days for most Australians to receive the message.
Don't you think it's time?
THIS IS HOW YOU FIX Parliament and help bring fairness back into
this country!
Desert Dweller said
05:44 AM Dec 31, 2016
Both sides of parliament planned to adjust the pension assets test so we've got no chance of changing anything.
We lost over $100 per fortnight but who cares, we could afford to. We basically have to spend a little bit more of our own money now. There's nothing wrong with that.
As our assets drop our pension will increase just like normal
Nothing's going to change despite a lot of ''hot air'' being released by a few wrinklies. As usual the media is ''whipping up a frenzy''.
Relax & enjoy retirement instead of tying yourself in knots.
TheHeaths said
07:15 AM Dec 31, 2016
I am no fan of politicians, but at least lets get all the facts correct re their "pension".
1) They DO NOT receive the Age Pension when then leave parliament. Any pension they receive is part of their superannuation, as it should be. It is provided for out of their employer superannuation account, as it would be for any Australian. Whether that employer super scheme is too generous is different matter.
2) They DO purchase that superannuation, paying a fixed amount into their super account from their salary. It is in fact non negotiable and higher than many ordinary workers choose to pay into their salary, and is set at something like 11.5%. I know I never had to contribute that level, over and above employer contributions. I did have the option to contribute if I wished.
3) They cease to receive parliamentary salary when they leave parliament, just like anyone leaving a job. They would be expected to go to Centrelink if they looked to get benefits or assistance with employment.
4) What "privileged" health care system do they have?
5) Politicians ARE bound by the same laws that we are.
As I say, I am no fan of them, but this sort of Americanised stuff is no better than the drivel the politicians put out about themselves. I have commented on my thoughts about the changes to Aged Pension on another thread, so won't again, but I do feel for those that are affected by them.
Change the system, yes, but use facts to do it.
-- Edited by TheHeaths on Saturday 31st of December 2016 07:19:45 AM
brickies said
07:26 AM Dec 31, 2016
This subject is a no no on this forum if you had read the rules you would know so . All this was out before the last election and people did vote knowing this was about to happen on 1 - 01 2017 .
The Belmont Bear said
08:39 AM Dec 31, 2016
How many times can you beat the same drum - this subject has been done to death. I agree with Brickles this will only start another round of personal attacks as has already happened whenever this subject has come up before.
rockylizard said
08:43 AM Dec 31, 2016
TheHeaths wrote:
I am no fan of politicians, but at least lets get all the facts correct re their "pension".
1) They DO NOT receive the Age Pension when then leave parliament. Any pension they receive is part of their superannuation, as it should be. It is provided for out of their employer superannuation account, as it would be for any Australian. Whether that employer super scheme is too generous is different matter.
2) They DO purchase that superannuation, paying a fixed amount into their super account from their salary. It is in fact non negotiable and higher than many ordinary workers choose to pay into their salary, and is set at something like 11.5%. I know I never had to contribute that level, over and above employer contributions. I did have the option to contribute if I wished.
3) They cease to receive parliamentary salary when they leave parliament, just like anyone leaving a job. They would be expected to go to Centrelink if they looked to get benefits or assistance with employment.
4) What "privileged" health care system do they have?
5) Politicians ARE bound by the same laws that we are.
As I say, I am no fan of them, but this sort of Americanised stuff is no better than the drivel the politicians put out about themselves. I have commented on my thoughts about the changes to Aged Pension on another thread, so won't again, but I do feel for those that are affected by them.
Change the system, yes, but use facts to do it.
Gday...
THANKS for that - some facts to balance the emotive rhetoric espoused above.
You did miss one though -
4. Politicians will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Politicians pay will rise by the lower of, either the CPI or 3%.
Politician remuneration is set by an independent panel -
The Remuneration Tribunal is an independent statutory body established by the Remuneration Tribunal Act 1973. This legislation allows the Tribunal to inquire into and determine allowances paid out of consolidated revenue to senators and members.
For interest -
Cheers - John
Happywanderer said
09:44 AM Dec 31, 2016
This particular piece in the opening statement was sent out byy privste message to me and many others taking 20 messages in total.
A friend found her facebook page had been hacked and as a result a lot of her friends including me received it.
Not sure if and correctness in it, just tha now she is in the middle of trying to clean up her facebook page because of this.
brickies said
10:04 AM Dec 31, 2016
We do not even know who the OP is , They haven't posted a name on there forum page could be anybody .
PeterD said
11:38 AM Dec 31, 2016
Gunsondeck wrote:
You can sit back and do nothing, that's what they expect you to do. Or you can demand CHANGE
You are a bit late pushing this one. The horse has bolted, too late to close the stable door.
Both sides of parliament planned to adjust the pension assets test so we've got no chance of changing anything.
We lost over $100 per fortnight but who cares, we could afford to. We basically have to spend a little bit more of our own money now. There's nothing wrong with that.
As our assets drop our pension will increase just like normal
Nothing's going to change despite a lot of ''hot air'' being released by a few wrinklies. As usual the media is ''whipping up a frenzy''.
Relax & enjoy retirement instead of tying yourself in knots.
Well said DD.
Aussie Paul
PeterD said
11:59 AM Dec 31, 2016
brickies wrote:
We do not even know who the OP is , They haven't posted a name on there forum page could be anybody .
You can gain a fair bit about him/her through the profile (just click on his nick.) Then have a look at the Posts on the LHS. When you click on either "Topics Started"or "Member Posts" you will see that the vast majority of his postings are jokes. Is this another or has he now joined the ranks of the stirrers?
We lost over $100 per fortnight but who cares, we could afford to. We basically have to spend a little bit more of our own money now. There's nothing wrong with that.
As our assets drop our pension will increase just like normal
Nothing's going to change despite a lot of ''hot air'' being released by a few wrinklies. As usual the media is ''whipping up a frenzy''.
Relax & enjoy retirement instead of tying yourself in knots.
I am no fan of politicians, but at least lets get all the facts correct re their "pension".
1) They DO NOT receive the Age Pension when then leave parliament. Any pension they receive is part of their superannuation, as it should be. It is provided for out of their employer superannuation account, as it would be for any Australian. Whether that employer super scheme is too generous is different matter.
2) They DO purchase that superannuation, paying a fixed amount into their super account from their salary. It is in fact non negotiable and higher than many ordinary workers choose to pay into their salary, and is set at something like 11.5%. I know I never had to contribute that level, over and above employer contributions. I did have the option to contribute if I wished.
3) They cease to receive parliamentary salary when they leave parliament, just like anyone leaving a job. They would be expected to go to Centrelink if they looked to get benefits or assistance with employment.
4) What "privileged" health care system do they have?
5) Politicians ARE bound by the same laws that we are.
As I say, I am no fan of them, but this sort of Americanised stuff is no better than the drivel the politicians put out about themselves. I have commented on my thoughts about the changes to Aged Pension on another thread, so won't again, but I do feel for those that are affected by them.
Change the system, yes, but use facts to do it.
-- Edited by TheHeaths on Saturday 31st of December 2016 07:19:45 AM
Gday...
THANKS for that - some facts to balance the emotive rhetoric espoused above.
You did miss one though -
4. Politicians will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Politicians pay will rise by the lower of, either the CPI or 3%.
Politician remuneration is set by an independent panel -
The Remuneration Tribunal is an independent statutory body established by the Remuneration Tribunal Act 1973. This legislation allows the Tribunal to inquire into and determine allowances paid out of consolidated revenue to senators and members.
For interest -
Cheers - John
A friend found her facebook page had been hacked and as a result a lot of her friends including me received it.
Not sure if and correctness in it, just tha now she is in the middle of trying to clean up her facebook page because of this.
You are a bit late pushing this one. The horse has bolted, too late to close the stable door.
The subject has previously well covered in this thread.
Well said DD.
Aussie Paul
You can gain a fair bit about him/her through the profile (just click on his nick.) Then have a look at the Posts on the LHS. When you click on either "Topics Started" or "Member Posts" you will see that the vast majority of his postings are jokes. Is this another or has he now joined the ranks of the stirrers?